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for things that work backwards, think backwards!

Paul Paryski
The concept of critical mass, in my opinion applies not only to physics,  but
to decision making and even to governance (I am ex-UN); perhaps it takes not  
only an inherently adaptable and rational governmental structure but a
critical  mass of staff within the structures and agencies who carry out their  
responsibilities more or less honestly.  Critical mass can also explain why  some
ideas or movement explode and bring change while others do not. Conceptual  
catalysts and crisis are sometimes essential.
 
Paul Paryski
20
Sangre de Cristo Dr.
Santa Fe, NM 87506
_pparyski at aol.com_ (mailto:pparyski at aol.com)
 
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for things that work backwards, think backwards!

Phil Henshaw-2
As I began to learn how to identify coherent emerging systems that were
'out of control' , but working quite smoothly,  I also began to discover
the many terms of natural language that pertain to the subject.
Natural language is not 'rigorous' but is quite 'rich' in systems
knowledge.   It developed while we were immersed in natural systems as
we learned to speak about life and the world.  
 
As such, terms like 'critical mass' are recent but loose in their
meaning, and actually do refer to deep natural system structures that
critical thinkers still seem to be having trouble with.   In that way,
natural language is a haven for talking about complex subjects that
science is not ready for.    The things of the world that develop from a
'critical mass'  include civilizations, movements, snow flakes and
species.    
 
I find a good incubator for change also requires that a critical mass
have a little quiet.    It seems to be because new order begins with
very small and very delicate patterns that grow, and do not catch hold
without a rich growth medium and a period of quiet within which small
things can develop.   Both of these features are fascinating to look for
at the mysterious beginnings of growth curves.
 
I ran across a rather good book of common language natural systems
theory recently, a book on economics written by the great urban critic,
Jane Jacobs, called "The Nature of Economies".     It may also become
seen as an excellent primer on the principles for a sustainable world.
It's quite lucid and full of emerging complex systems examples.

>  The concept of critical mass, in my opinion applies not only to
physics,
>  but to decision making and even to governance (I am ex-UN); perhaps
> it takes not only an inherently adaptable and rational governmental
>  structure but a critical mass of staff within the structures and
>  agencies who carry out their responsibilities more or less honestly.

>  Critical mass can also explain why some ideas or movement
>  explode and bring change while others do not. Conceptual catalysts
>  and crisis are sometimes essential.

 
Paul Paryski
20
Sangre de Cristo Dr.
Santa Fe, NM 87506
pparyski at aol.com
 

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for things that work backwards, think backwards!

David Breecker
MessageAnd, I would add, cultural and intellectual systems in the form of "fads," "memes," and paradigms.  Which brings us back to an earlier thread on Thomas Kuhn's "Structure of Scientific Revolutions" in a nicely self-referential fashion ;-)
db
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Phil Henshaw
  To: PPARYSKI at aol.com ; friam at redfish.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [FRIAM] for things that work backwards, think backwards!


  As I began to learn how to identify coherent emerging systems that were 'out of control' , but working quite smoothly,  I also began to discover the many terms of natural language that pertain to the subject.   Natural language is not 'rigorous' but is quite 'rich' in systems knowledge.   It developed while we were immersed in natural systems as we learned to speak about life and the world.  

  As such, terms like 'critical mass' are recent but loose in their meaning, and actually do refer to deep natural system structures that critical thinkers still seem to be having trouble with.   In that way, natural language is a haven for talking about complex subjects that science is not ready for.    The things of the world that develop from a 'critical mass'  include civilizations, movements, snow flakes and species.    

  I find a good incubator for change also requires that a critical mass have a little quiet.    It seems to be because new order begins with very small and very delicate patterns that grow, and do not catch hold without a rich growth medium and a period of quiet within which small things can develop.   Both of these features are fascinating to look for at the mysterious beginnings of growth curves.

  I ran across a rather good book of common language natural systems theory recently, a book on economics written by the great urban critic, Jane Jacobs, called "The Nature of Economies".     It may also become seen as an excellent primer on the principles for a sustainable world.    It's quite lucid and full of emerging complex systems examples.

  >  The concept of critical mass, in my opinion applies not only to physics,
  >  but to decision making and even to governance (I am ex-UN); perhaps
  > it takes not only an inherently adaptable and rational governmental
  >  structure but a critical mass of staff within the structures and
  >  agencies who carry out their responsibilities more or less honestly.  
  >  Critical mass can also explain why some ideas or movement
  >  explode and bring change while others do not. Conceptual catalysts
  >  and crisis are sometimes essential.

    Paul Paryski
    20
    Sangre de Cristo Dr.
    Santa Fe, NM 87506
    pparyski at aol.com



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for things that work backwards, think backwards!

Alfredo Covaleda
Anthropology defines Culture as the way a society produces and reproduces. In
other words is everything including fads, memes but mainly including
paradigms, and it's build of values, attitudes, ideas and behaviors  shared
by almost the whole society.  But it doesn't mean that some generalized
values, attitudes, ideas or behaviors are suitable for the purpose of
ensuring survival of that whole society.  An Hypothesis could be  that
society discovers that things go backwards just when is being hardly affected
and suffering big troubles and then society have the capacity to transform
behaviors and make corrections to survive. There's no doubt that culture has
been adaptative. But not always!!!. Think about global warming. Are we
condemn ?

Kind regards




On Thursday 02 November 2006 13:55, David Breecker wrote:

> MessageAnd, I would add, cultural and intellectual systems in the form of
> "fads," "memes," and paradigms.  Which brings us back to an earlier thread
> on Thomas Kuhn's "Structure of Scientific Revolutions" in a nicely
> self-referential fashion ;-) db
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Phil Henshaw
>   To: PPARYSKI at aol.com ; friam at redfish.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:49 PM
>   Subject: Re: [FRIAM] for things that work backwards, think backwards!
>
>
>   As I began to learn how to identify coherent emerging systems that were
> 'out of control' , but working quite smoothly,  I also began to discover
> the many terms of natural language that pertain to the subject.   Natural
> language is not 'rigorous' but is quite 'rich' in systems knowledge.   It
> developed while we were immersed in natural systems as we learned to speak
> about life and the world.
>
>   As such, terms like 'critical mass' are recent but loose in their
> meaning, and actually do refer to deep natural system structures that
> critical thinkers still seem to be having trouble with.   In that way,
> natural language is a haven for talking about complex subjects that science
> is not ready for.    The things of the world that develop from a 'critical
> mass'  include civilizations, movements, snow flakes and species.
>
>   I find a good incubator for change also requires that a critical mass
> have a little quiet.    It seems to be because new order begins with very
> small and very delicate patterns that grow, and do not catch hold without a
> rich growth medium and a period of quiet within which small things can
> develop.   Both of these features are fascinating to look for at the
> mysterious beginnings of growth curves.
>
>   I ran across a rather good book of common language natural systems theory
> recently, a book on economics written by the great urban critic, Jane
> Jacobs, called "The Nature of Economies".     It may also become seen as an
> excellent primer on the principles for a sustainable world.    It's quite
> lucid and full of emerging complex systems examples.
>
>   >  The concept of critical mass, in my opinion applies not only to
>   > physics, but to decision making and even to governance (I am ex-UN);
>   > perhaps it takes not only an inherently adaptable and rational
>   > governmental structure but a critical mass of staff within the
>   > structures and agencies who carry out their responsibilities more or
>   > less honestly. Critical mass can also explain why some ideas or
>   > movement
>   >  explode and bring change while others do not. Conceptual catalysts
>   >  and crisis are sometimes essential.
>
>     Paul Paryski
>     20
>     Sangre de Cristo Dr.
>     Santa Fe, NM 87506
>     pparyski at aol.com
>
>
>
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for things that work backwards, think backwards!

Roger Critchlow-2
In reply to this post by Phil Henshaw-2
On the subject of critical mass, you should look at John Miller's
articles about standing ovations.  It's a lovely simple model of
growth of something from a smattering of individual responses into a
mass behavior.

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On 11/1/06, Phil Henshaw <sy at synapse9.com> wrote:

>
>
> As I began to learn how to identify coherent emerging systems that were 'out
> of control' , but working quite smoothly,  I also began to discover the many
> terms of natural language that pertain to the subject.   Natural language is
> not 'rigorous' but is quite 'rich' in systems knowledge.   It developed
> while we were immersed in natural systems as we learned to speak about life
> and the world.
>
> As such, terms like 'critical mass' are recent but loose in their meaning,
> and actually do refer to deep natural system structures that critical
> thinkers still seem to be having trouble with.   In that way, natural
> language is a haven for talking about complex subjects that science is not
> ready for.    The things of the world that develop from a 'critical mass'
> include civilizations, movements, snow flakes and species.
>
> I find a good incubator for change also requires that a critical mass have a
> little quiet.    It seems to be because new order begins with very small and
> very delicate patterns that grow, and do not catch hold without a rich
> growth medium and a period of quiet within which small things can develop.
> Both of these features are fascinating to look for at the mysterious
> beginnings of growth curves.
>
> I ran across a rather good book of common language natural systems theory
> recently, a book on economics written by the great urban critic, Jane
> Jacobs, called "The Nature of Economies".     It may also become seen as an
> excellent primer on the principles for a sustainable world.    It's quite
> lucid and full of emerging complex systems examples.
>
>
> >  The concept of critical mass, in my opinion applies not only to physics,
> >  but to decision making and even to governance (I am ex-UN); perhaps
> > it takes not only an inherently adaptable and rational governmental
> >  structure but a critical mass of staff within the structures and
> >  agencies who carry out their responsibilities more or less honestly.
> >  Critical mass can also explain why some ideas or movement
> >  explode and bring change while others do not. Conceptual catalysts
> >  and crisis are sometimes essential.
>
>
> Paul Paryski
> 20
> Sangre de Cristo Dr.
> Santa Fe, NM 87506
> pparyski at aol.com
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
>