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Nick Thompson

firefox and memory

Hi, everybody,

Recently Firefox updated itself and since that time my machine – an elderly W7 -- has been running slow. In the resource manager I noticed that where it used to open one process, sometimes as large as half a gig, it now opens several processes, the total of which can easily exceed 1 G. At that point, my machine runs like molasses. Is Firefox no longer browser to the stars?

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: firefox and memory

Did you get v57, Quantum? It should be much faster..

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, everybody,

Recently Firefox updated itself and since that time my machine – an elderly W7 -- has been running slow. In the resource manager I noticed that where it used to open one process, sometimes as large as half a gig, it now opens several processes, the total of which can easily exceed 1 G. At that point, my machine runs like molasses. Is Firefox no longer browser to the stars?

N

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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Gillian Densmore

Re: firefox and memory

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

The short answer nick is all the browsers as well as Windows have a weird thing of just randomly eating all it can eat on your computer. Edge/Exploder Chrome, and FireFox are all frankly bad guests Just that some of them are politely bad guest, FireFox Classic tells epic sagas loudly, then chrases. I suspect from to much Nog. Edge/Exploder on the other hand are like some loud band. that plays out of key, and keeps playing. Chrome not only invites itself over, but all it's friends, their friends, those friends, that other friend and pretty much the entire city will be on your computer before long.

Akwared morning analogies describing why they're all crap because of eating resources. FireFox Quantum edition is slightlly better than Classic (what you probably have). But it's still pretty bad. now it not just muches down memory. The windows X version muches on hard drive space. I found that out yesterday when it crashed (3 windows open and of the 30 gigs I HAD free that darn thing ate 20 (cache and temp files)

FireFox Classic hasn't exactly been the Super Hero Browser Breakfast of choice for a long time. Reliable and compatible sure but as you found out nick it's a giant dick to your computer.

Chrome is not any nicer on windows. A little lighter on it's feet sure. but it's leaves behind a giant mess. And to really confuse you clone got cloned more often then boba fet, they're all weird and quirky. (Geek Humor)

Sufficed to say: It's not just you. I've ranted on the Friam and WedTech list about some of the weird and lame issues of FireFox slow being one.

@Updates FireFox Qutunum has it's own problems, streaming being one. It does not do streaming will (yet) for windows, a very well snag,

Clear as mud?

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, everybody,

Recently Firefox updated itself and since that time my machine – an elderly W7 -- has been running slow. In the resource manager I noticed that where it used to open one process, sometimes as large as half a gig, it now opens several processes, the total of which can easily exceed 1 G. At that point, my machine runs like molasses. Is Firefox no longer browser to the stars?

N

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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lrudolph

Re: firefox and memory

In reply to this post by Marcus G. Daniels

Since 57.0.2 installed itself on my (4 year old W7Professional) machine, Firefox has run
*much* *slower*. Bah, humbug.

> Did you get v57, Quantum? It should be much faster..
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> Hi, everybody,
>
> Recently Firefox updated itself and since that time my machine - an elderly W7 -- has been running slow. In the resource manager I noticed that where it used to open one process, sometimes as large as half a gig, it now opens several processes, the total of which can easily exceed 1 G. At that point, my machine runs like molasses. Is Firefox no longer browser to the stars?
>
> N
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: firefox and memory

Don't know, my new Windows 10 machine and my relatively new Macbook Air are obviously much faster. At least as fast as Chrome.

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Cc: Nick Thompson <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] firefox and memory

Since 57.0.2 installed itself on my (4 year old W7Professional) machine, Firefox has run
*much* *slower*. Bah, humbug.

> Did you get v57, Quantum? It should be much faster..
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> Hi, everybody,
>
> Recently Firefox updated itself and since that time my machine - an elderly W7 -- has been running slow. In the resource manager I noticed that where it used to open one process, sometimes as large as half a gig, it now opens several processes, the total of which can easily exceed 1 G. At that point, my machine runs like molasses. Is Firefox no longer browser to the stars?
>
> N
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
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Tom Johnson

Re: firefox and memory

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

Nick:

Check out Pale Moon or Opera as browser.

Tom

On Dec 8, 2017 12:12 AM, "Nick Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, everybody,

Recently Firefox updated itself and since that time my machine – an elderly W7 -- has been running slow. In the resource manager I noticed that where it used to open one process, sometimes as large as half a gig, it now opens several processes, the total of which can easily exceed 1 G. At that point, my machine runs like molasses. Is Firefox no longer browser to the stars?

N

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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Russell Standish-2

Re: firefox and memory

The problem is that these days, the browser tries to _be_ the
operating system. A bit like what people complained about emacs back
in the day.

Not sure there's much to be done about it, other than grumpy old men
rants. If its really important to you, you'll need to buy yourself the same
class of machine developers use, ie minimum 16GB memory 3+GHz
multicore processor. Otherwise, you just have to kill off the browser
every day or two (akin to doing the 3 fingered solute on good ol' DOS)
to release the execessive amounts of memory.

Written on 7.5 yo Netbook with 1GB memory... :).

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Gillian Densmore

Re: firefox and memory

*caugh aka node stinks on windows cough*

lol one one hand this is part of a problem with saying sure lets have stuff "Just" use a crap ton of stuff. And it'd be just realy nice for programs to be in a little box or something so as when things go wrong it doesn't blow up the machine.

On the other hand their is a weird kind ore oh, well at least I'm not the only one looking at computers that come with 'just' 16 or 32 gigs of ram and a bajillion cores that may or may note be async and thinking: uh their is a fundementall problem here when even a common browser can and will blow up your computer!

I hold out hope that'll meen finally having nice fun tablets and stations perpahsp like those seen on StarTrek, or the realy cool 3D computer kinds of things in marvel movies and TV shows.

You are right though Russel that with really cool things that people want to do with their browser (or any other program as far as I can tell). That meens tackling two things: getting programs to stop using ever inch of hard disk space and memory. and when it goes kamoom to clean up after itself. FireFox Quaunt, Classic, and chrome are all really bad about that. As a concrete example today I was looking for pictures to make a colage (sort of) announcement. On one hand I had been looking for just the right style of pictures for easily 70 minutes or so whilest listening to some super fun music on Youtube and then SoundCloud. When Windows told me Doom has happend! we'll try to fix Doom (it never does)

On the other hand that was my que to stop (TechNech for one, lunch for another).

But what if it had been something important much more important than something I just do for fun as Vauluntary thing? That'd suck.

Inothers words Nick if you're still following this thread. Don't worry, it's not just you that finds Firefox (and chrome) to have pretty bad habits. I tried to explain that humorously this morning to you. I hope you didn't get horribly lost. My weird Dyslexic brain for some reason sometimes (often actually) finds weird humor or anecdotes a bit simpler sometimes to explain things as best I can. Don't let me confuse you. Someone else may have better skills at short explinations than I often have.

Personaly I find Quantum a weird mixed bag it's extension type (you tan turn on and off the protocall droids/extensions) hit and mis In fancy speak it's XTags real time loading(possibly transitional) with a node in a small fake computer. In simple speak addons can turn on and off, and each one is in a fake computer. Sounds good on paper...till one goes kaboom (Looking at you Xtag Flash and Hangouts)

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote:

The problem is that these days, the browser tries to _be_ the
operating system. A bit like what people complained about emacs back
in the day.

Not sure there's much to be done about it, other than grumpy old men
rants. If its really important to you, you'll need to buy yourself the same
class of machine developers use, ie minimum 16GB memory 3+GHz
multicore processor. Otherwise, you just have to kill off the browser
every day or two (akin to doing the 3 fingered solute on good ol' DOS)
to release the execessive amounts of memory.

Written on 7.5 yo Netbook with 1GB memory... :).

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Visiting Senior Research Fellow [hidden email]
Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au
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Nick Thompson

Re: firefox and memory

In reply to this post by Russell Standish-2

Thanks, Russ. Great to hear from you.

RE salute, more like every three hours. But, truth be known, I am not a
great closer of windows, so maybe I should just do more of THAT.

We haven't heard a lot of from you, lately. Any bursr do you under your
saddle you'ld like to talk about?

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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To: Friam@redfish. com <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] firefox and memory

The problem is that these days, the browser tries to _be_ the operating
system. A bit like what people complained about emacs back in the day.

Not sure there's much to be done about it, other than grumpy old men rants.
If its really important to you, you'll need to buy yourself the same class
of machine developers use, ie minimum 16GB memory 3+GHz multicore processor.
Otherwise, you just have to kill off the browser every day or two (akin to
doing the 3 fingered solute on good ol' DOS) to release the execessive
amounts of memory.

Written on 7.5 yo Netbook with 1GB memory... :).

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Visiting Senior Research Fellow [hidden email]
Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au
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lrudolph

Re: firefox and memory

> We haven't heard a lot of from you, lately. Any bursr do you under your
> saddle you'ld like to talk about?

Given that he seems to be posting from a British university, he very well *could* have a
bursar under his saddle.

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Russell Standish-2

Re: firefox and memory

On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 09:19:09AM -0500, [hidden email] wrote:
> > We haven't heard a lot of from you, lately. Any bursr do you under your
> > saddle you'ld like to talk about?
>
> Given that he seems to be posting from a British university, he very well *could* have a
> bursar under his saddle.
>

I hate to burst your bubble, but I'm posting from a hotel in Shanghai,
and normally inhabit Sydney, Australia.

Cheers

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