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Steve Smith

@fakedonaldtrump

I haven't been willing to follow much if any of the twittering the Donald does,
but with the Anne Frank Center for Mutual Respect, folks calling for closing the
@realdonaldtrump twitter account, it piqued my interest.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/08/17/now-you-can-see-what-donald-trump-sees-every-time-he-opens-twitter/?utm_term=.6d0cbe09518f

The rising conflict between hate speech and free speech around this new White
Supremacist eruption rallied around Trump's ascendency and implicit support
is fascinating to me. Though as with all my greatest fascinations, it is unfortunately
(yet another) morbid one.

I discovered that the Washington Post has created a mirror of Trump's Feed
titled @trumpsfeed as well as listing the 45 twitter accounts he is following in
the order he subscribed to them.   Unsurprisingly Ivanka is at the top of the list
with Greta van Susteren and Bill O'Reilly not far behind.

While I feel very nervous about Twitter shutting down theDonald's personal account
so cavalierly, I can imagine how devastating it would be to his ego to not be able to
blurt out his nonsense at all times of the day or night without benefit of counsel by
his (admittedly highly flawed) inner circle/counsel. Moving the same blurts to @POTUS
might be all it would achieve, which might enhance the absurdity yet more?

It would seem much more entertaining if someone (other than Twitter Inc) managed
to hack Twitter and mess with his feed. As blatantly as taking over @realDonaldTrump
and turning it into a parody of him, and then signing him up for the address
@fakeDonaldTrump.

On that vector I discovered (unsurprisingly) that there IS an @fakeDonaldTrump
(https://twitter.com/fakedonaldtrump ) which hasn't been utilized... created/joined
apparently in 2008?   The account has not tweeted and has only 125 followers, within
whom I cannot find any particular pattern.

Where are the Anonymous Hacktivists in all this? Their intentions often seem meritible
but I can't tell how effective they have been in some of their campaigns. This is mildly
surprising.

Curiouser and Curiouser,
- Sneeze

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gepr

Re: @fakedonaldtrump

This is interesting if you type in "trump":
https://www.csc2.ncsu.edu/faculty/healey/tweet_viz/tweet_app/

Here are some other tools:
https://blog.bufferapp.com/free-twitter-tools

It irritates me to no end when we call password guessing or phishing "hacking". The concept of hacking is rich and calling those banal techniques "hacking" does the concept an injustice. That password guessing stuff isn't even worthy of the word "cracking". Now, if someone pulled a man-in-the-middle and reconstructed the packets to find a password, *that* would be worthy. Get off my iLawn!

On 08/18/2017 10:54 AM, Steven A Smith wrote:

>
> I haven't been willing to follow much if any of the twittering the Donald does,
> but with the Anne Frank Center for Mutual Respect, folks calling for closing the
> @realdonaldtrump twitter account, it piqued my interest.
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/08/17/now-you-can-see-what-donald-trump-sees-every-time-he-opens-twitter/?utm_term=.6d0cbe09518f
>
> The rising conflict between hate speech and free speech around this new White
> Supremacist eruption rallied around Trump's ascendency and implicit support
> is fascinating to me. Though as with all my greatest fascinations, it is unfortunately
> (yet another) morbid one.
>
> I discovered that the Washington Post has created a mirror of Trump's Feed
> titled @trumpsfeed as well as listing the 45 twitter accounts he is following in
> the order he subscribed to them. Unsurprisingly Ivanka is at the top of the list
> with Greta van Susteren and Bill O'Reilly not far behind.
>
> While I feel very nervous about Twitter shutting down theDonald's personal account
> so cavalierly, I can imagine how devastating it would be to his ego to not be able to
> blurt out his nonsense at all times of the day or night without benefit of counsel by
> his (admittedly highly flawed) inner circle/counsel. Moving the same blurts to @POTUS
> might be all it would achieve, which might enhance the absurdity yet more?
>
> It would seem much more entertaining if someone (other than Twitter Inc) managed
> to hack Twitter and mess with his feed. As blatantly as taking over @realDonaldTrump
> and turning it into a parody of him, and then signing him up for the address
> @fakeDonaldTrump.
>
> On that vector I discovered (unsurprisingly) that there IS an @fakeDonaldTrump
> (https://twitter.com/fakedonaldtrump ) which hasn't been utilized... created/joined
> apparently in 2008? The account has not tweeted and has only 125 followers, within
> whom I cannot find any particular pattern.
>
> Where are the Anonymous Hacktivists in all this? Their intentions often seem meritible
> but I can't tell how effective they have been in some of their campaigns. This is mildly
> surprising.

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: @fakedonaldtrump

In reply to this post by Steve Smith

“While I feel very nervous about Twitter shutting down theDonald's personal account
so cavalierly, I can imagine how devastating it would be to his ego to not be able to
blurt out his nonsense at all times of the day or night without benefit of counsel by
his (admittedly highly flawed) inner circle/counsel. Moving the same blurts to @POTUS
might be all it would achieve, which might enhance the absurdity yet more?”

While I like the idea of his continued self-sabotage, his pronouncements probably keep a part of the base stoked.

If his accounts were to go away, those folks might not have the initiative to replace that outlet with another. And then they could get back to torturing animals or whatever it is they do all day.

The ACLU new policy to not support armed groups seems like a good step. There are other groups like the SPLC that can tackle the haters. I hope that if his rhetoric continues this way, and he repeatedly violates their terms of services, that they do shut him down completely. He can go on Fox and Friends or something.

Marcus

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Gillian Densmore

Re: @fakedonaldtrump

Anonymous has been posting videos on youtube sugesting people put aside the petty bickering. Making sugestion what things people can do to empower themselves. Their current call to arms is about (weirdly) love and joy and getting rid of washinton as it currently is and try for something like a Sociliast Republic/Technorocracy.

They're pretty tired of the sheer rage coming in and out of washington if the videos are anything to go by.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

“While I feel very nervous about Twitter shutting down theDonald's personal account
so cavalierly, I can imagine how devastating it would be to his ego to not be able to
blurt out his nonsense at all times of the day or night without benefit of counsel by
his (admittedly highly flawed) inner circle/counsel. Moving the same blurts to @POTUS
might be all it would achieve, which might enhance the absurdity yet more?”

While I like the idea of his continued self-sabotage, his pronouncements probably keep a part of the base stoked.

If his accounts were to go away, those folks might not have the initiative to replace that outlet with another. And then they could get back to torturing animals or whatever it is they do all day.

The ACLU new policy to not support armed groups seems like a good step. There are other groups like the SPLC that can tackle the haters. I hope that if his rhetoric continues this way, and he repeatedly violates their terms of services, that they do shut him down completely. He can go on Fox and Friends or something.

Marcus

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Steve Smith

Re: @fakedonaldtrump

In reply to this post by gepr

Glen -
> This is interesting if you type in "trump":
> https://www.csc2.ncsu.edu/faculty/healey/tweet_viz/tweet_app/
15 minutes with this make me painfully aware of how much I'm not in tune
with twitter culture... the tool seems pretty well made, but I found
myself having a hard time drawing meaningful conclusions (aside from
looking for confirmation bias artifacts to glom onto)... the drilldown I
did do made me realize that the pleasant/unpleasant axis wasn't what I
thought it would be. The system doesn't seem to take into account
(double?) negatives? Someone railing positively about taking Trump
down appears to contribute to the quad-chart plot in roughly the same
way as one praising him. The tag clouds were in some way more
interesting to me, but I'm not sure why.
>
> Here are some other tools:
> https://blog.bufferapp.com/free-twitter-tools
I tried to dig in a little but as I felt frustrated by the implied bias
in the nature of the tools I realized the list was labeled as "for
Marketing" which (with my own bias) seems to be what most social media
tools exist for, to make us all in to better (more malleable?) consumers.
> It irritates me to no end when we call password guessing or phishing "hacking". The concept of hacking is rich and calling those banal techniques "hacking" does the concept an injustice. That password guessing stuff isn't even worthy of the word "cracking". Now, if someone pulled a man-in-the-middle and reconstructed the packets to find a password, *that* would be worthy.
I agree in principle, with your examples being at best, fairly lame
"social hacks". I'm guessing that the amorphous mass of "Anonymous
Hacktivists" are mostly very lame technically... but perhaps useful when
recruited for DOS attacks by someone with a target and a voice. There
must be a FEW heavy hitters self-identified with that crowd? It seems
like the best thing anyone could do IF they guessed or phished passwords
from the likes of DJT and his motley crue would be to publish them (not
to abuse them, just to expose what kind of dumbass passwords they choose!?)
> Get off my iLawn!
<grin>

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Steve Smith

Re: @fakedonaldtrump

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Marcus -

While I like the idea of his continued self-sabotage, his pronouncements probably keep a part of the base stoked.

I do understand that and agree that this channel is a significantly powerful/focused one for his fringe/base.

If his accounts were to go away, those folks might not have the initiative to replace that outlet with another.

It does appear that his base(s) is (are) a mob in the sense that most of them provide the energy of their (self) righteous indignation and not much focus or initiative which then helps to leverage the effective power of a very few (pseudo?) charismatic self-appointed leaders.

And then they could get back to torturing animals or whatever it is they do all day.

Sadly this is one of my worries. To realize the number of people who rose up to support theDonald once he got some momentum, it makes me worry that we were (are) collectively more ill than I appreciated. One of the things I find hopeful about Trumps Ascendency is that all of this is out in the open and it can be addressed (to a minor degree) by those closest to these people. LIke the Fargo family.

The ACLU new policy to not support armed groups seems like a good step. There are other groups like the SPLC that can tackle the haters.

I hope that if his rhetoric continues this way, and he repeatedly violates their terms of services, that they do shut him down completely. He can go on Fox and Friends or something.

I admit to not having a clue what is in the Twitter TOS, having signed up in a moment of curiosity/weakness nearly 8 years ago... I don't use it and for the most part serves me little if at all in any other way. It WOULD be interesting to see Twitter take Trump on head-on, I suspect it might be a significant breaking of a dam made of his audacity in the face of propriety.

Give him credit or not, he's been willing to take on lots of groups/subcultures fairly head-on (and many more smarmily obliquely... like the LGBT/Latino/Black/??? communities)

- Steve

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Steve Smith

Re: @fakedonaldtrump

In reply to this post by Gillian Densmore

Gil -

Thanks for the reference to Anonymous@YouTube. You can tell I'm an old fogey by my irritable reaction to the style of their videos. I felt like it was created by/for Max Headroom!

I HAVE watched one or two before (over a year ago?) with the same reaction. I have a natural (Ithink) mixed reaction to their bluff/threats... what was that about contacting people in Lagos, Nigeria? I didn't think Anonymous were prone to threatening IRL violence, but rather stayed with what I think of as "targeted vandalism" in cyberspace?

I'm also (still) confused about how there can ever be a single true voice for such a by-definition amorphous and distributed and ultimately defined only by self-definition group? Some aspects of their nature/behaviour feels a bit too much like the alt.right they are (in this moment) going up against.

- Steve

On 8/18/17 2:02 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote

Anonymous has been posting videos on youtube sugesting people put aside the petty bickering. Making sugestion what things people can do to empower themselves. Their current call to arms is about (weirdly) love and joy and getting rid of washinton as it currently is and try for something like a Sociliast Republic/Technorocracy.
They're pretty tired of the sheer rage coming in and out of washington if the videos are anything to go by.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

“While I feel very nervous about Twitter shutting down theDonald's personal account
so cavalierly, I can imagine how devastating it would be to his ego to not be able to
blurt out his nonsense at all times of the day or night without benefit of counsel by
his (admittedly highly flawed) inner circle/counsel. Moving the same blurts to @POTUS
might be all it would achieve, which might enhance the absurdity yet more?”

While I like the idea of his continued self-sabotage, his pronouncements probably keep a part of the base stoked.

If his accounts were to go away, those folks might not have the initiative to replace that outlet with another. And then they could get back to torturing animals or whatever it is they do all day.

The ACLU new policy to not support armed groups seems like a good step. There are other groups like the SPLC that can tackle the haters. I hope that if his rhetoric continues this way, and he repeatedly violates their terms of services, that they do shut him down completely. He can go on Fox and Friends or something.

Marcus

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: @fakedonaldtrump

In reply to this post by Steve Smith

Steve writes:

< Give him credit or not, he's been willing to take on lots of groups/subcultures fairly head-on (and many more smarmily obliquely... like the LGBT/Latino/Black/??? communities) >

Speaking as person who deals with things head-on more than it ever benefits me, I would say that my willingness to do that doesn’t usually lead to anyone else being willing to do that. One might hope that by breaking the ice other people would stop the B.S. and get to the bottom of things. However, politicians (and many people) see any overt offering of information in social terms. They first ask, “How does this information create an opportunity or a risk for me?” Only secondarily do they examine the content of information and arguments. Thus, it is not a necessarily a good sign when someone that has to make people cooperate takes a direct approach. It may just show that they lack the memory and patience to turn over all the necessary rocks and think about how they relate before taking action.

Marcus

gepr

Re: @fakedonaldtrump

In reply to this post by Steve Smith

On 08/18/2017 01:24 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:
>> https://www.csc2.ncsu.edu/faculty/healey/tweet_viz/tweet_app/
> 15 minutes with this make me painfully aware of how much I'm not in tune with twitter culture... the tool seems pretty well made, but I found myself having a hard time drawing meaningful conclusions (aside from looking for confirmation bias artifacts to glom onto)... the drilldown I did do made me realize that the pleasant/unpleasant axis wasn't what I thought it would be. The system doesn't seem to take into account (double?) negatives? Someone railing positively about taking Trump down appears to contribute to the quad-chart plot in roughly the same way as one praising him.

Sentiment analysis is a strange thing. What's the "law"? ... Is it Poe's Law? Good satire is indistinguishable from authenticity? Or something like that. One can adopt a very positive *affect* about very negative things. Given your admission that you find morbid things fascinating, I thought replying with sentiment analysis would be appropriate.

Personally, I find black humor is poised on a very thin edge, which makes those who are good at it geniuses. It's the same with sarcasm and snark. Pedestrian black humor is very irritating. But when it's done right, it carries just the right balance of poignancy and banality. In contrast, tag clouds are antiseptic and devoid of any humanity.
>> Here are some other tools:
>> https://blog.bufferapp.com/free-twitter-tools
> I tried to dig in a little but as I felt frustrated by the implied bias in the nature of the tools I realized the list was labeled as "for Marketing" which (with my own bias) seems to be what most social media tools exist for, to make us all in to better (more malleable?) consumers.

Ahhh. But "branding" is the Trumpian essence. Trump is nothing *but* a brand. And, as our psych friends keep telling us, his narcissistic tendencies reflect that. There is no "there" there. There is only posturing and marketing. So, what better to understand Trump, *but* tools for marketing?

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Steve Smith

Re: @fakedonaldtrump

Well said (as usual).

>Pedestrian black humor is very irritating. But when it's done right,
it carries just the right balance of poignancy and
>banality. In contrast, tag clouds are antiseptic and devoid of any
humanity.
> There is no "there" there. There is only posturing and marketing. So,
> what better to understand Trump, *but* tools for marketing?

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Steve Smith

Re: @fakedonaldtrump

In reply to this post by Marcus G. Daniels

Marcus -

Thus, it is not a necessarily a good sign when someone that has to make people cooperate takes a direct approach. It may just show that they lack the memory and patience to turn over all the necessary rocks and think about how they relate before taking action.

Thus: "< Give him credit or not"

I never have given him any credit for this feature, but I do believe many do, and I do understand that this is a powerful mode of being in (too) many people.   It is the default *I* go to when *deeply* cornered, which suggests to me that our disaffected "populist" portion of his base were acting out of some kind of fear, ready to gulp down any Snake Oil offered up to allay the very fear said Snake Oil Purveyor was whipping up in the crowd. They should be choking on that Snake Oil anytime if they aren't already.

As frightening as I find many of our current events, I pull out my Pollyanna persona to protect me from joining the mob (or the anti-mob) simply because I am too frightened to keep looking for better solutions.

I had a much more Cynical persona that gave me relief from fear when I (first) voted for Reagan, then (second) saw the error of my ways and withdrew significantly from political interests for 20 years.

I'm balancing this habit/nature to be stampeded by fear into acting foolishly against Edmund Burkes' admonition:
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

It feels to me that more and more good men (and women) are doing *something* even in the face of bodily harm. I think that many of these people have thoughtfully turned over many rocks before acting. As tedious as that process can be and as much as it feels like it puts one at a disadvantage against those who have no trouble acting in a knee jerk fashion, I want to believe it is a more viable strategy in the long run.

When the Trump Rally started in the markets (January?), I pulled way back mainly because I did not want to profit from his bad acting and those who are finding profit in his bad actions.   I believe now that this bubble is ready to collapse and the vanguard of that collapse might be others who see the injustice in profiting from war, xenophobia, science-denial, etc. if not simply those with enough self-interest (enlightened or not) to flee before the ship sinks to a new bottom.   It may still take impeachment proceedings or criminal charges to kick the stool out from under this propped up mess, but that will just make it fall harder.

Hope springs infernal,
- Steve

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: @fakedonaldtrump

In reply to this post by Steve Smith

"When the Trump Rally started in the markets (January?)"

a.k.a. the Obama trend..

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Steve Smith

Re: @fakedonaldtrump

OK point taken. My hyperactive imagination again perhaps...

The effect I'm seeing could be nothing more than a recovery from the election period uncertainty which seems to show in virtually every election cycle.

And performance on Trump's watch (so far) is in the middle of the pack of the last 5 presidents:
http://www.macrotrends.net/2481/stock-market-performance-by-president

and this chart of the first 100 days puts him at 5th, well behind GW and Obama.

Your chart starts with Obama's *second* term, not precisely apples and apples, though 09 was strikingly similar in spite of the 08 dump.

On 8/18/17 7:36 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

"When the Trump Rally started in the markets (January?)"

a.k.a. the Obama trend..

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Well said (as usual).

>Pedestrian black humor is very irritating. But when it's done right,
it carries just the right balance of poignancy and
>banality. In contrast, tag clouds are antiseptic and devoid of any
humanity.
> There is no "there" there. There is only posturing and marketing. So,
> what better to understand Trump, *but* tools for marketing?

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Gillian Densmore

Re: @fakedonaldtrump

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No. I agree. The way the do their videos is...yeah Max Hedroom 20 minutes into future. CyberPunk meets MadMax. In a documentary about them they use a computer to read a script so as to protect the crew. I totally respect that. Part of that is because how they work is murky legal water. The other part was because a few of their opts went sideways such as calling out the ScienTologists for being a trolling cult...it went down hill pretty quickly. So now they (try to) stay more anonymous using stylised maxhedroomy videos with a computer reading text.

One of there was on some extremist netoworking, and their leaders who they promissed to forward any and all info they could to the proper authortese. Now their taking on the extremists here. (some) of that info has lead banks, business etc to refuse to deel with those trolls. Their also taking down flags and statues of as Arnold Swartzinager put it "epicaly failed idiologies of xenophobia, rage, and hate." Theyre members have been replacing those symbols with goofy art, or cleaning the buildings and just removing the grafiti.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gil -

Thanks for the reference to Anonymous@YouTube.   You can tell I'm an old fogey by my irritable reaction to the style of their videos. I felt like it was created by/for Max Headroom!

I HAVE watched one or two before (over a year ago?) with the same reaction.   I have a natural (Ithink) mixed reaction to their bluff/threats... what was that about contacting people in Lagos, Nigeria? I didn't think Anonymous were prone to threatening IRL violence, but rather stayed with what I think of as "targeted vandalism" in cyberspace?

I'm also (still) confused about how there can ever be a single true voice for such a by-definition amorphous and distributed and ultimately defined only by self-definition group?    Some aspects of their nature/behaviour feels a bit too much like the alt.right they are (in this moment) going up against.

- Steve

On 8/18/17 2:02 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote
Anonymous has been posting videos on youtube sugesting people put aside the petty bickering. Making sugestion what things people can do to empower themselves. Their current call to arms is about (weirdly) love and joy and getting rid of washinton as it currently is and try for something like a Sociliast Republic/Technorocracy.
They're pretty tired of the sheer rage coming in and out of washington if the videos are anything to go by.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

“While I feel very nervous about Twitter shutting down theDonald's personal account
so cavalierly, I can imagine how devastating it would be to his ego to not be able to
blurt out his nonsense at all times of the day or night without benefit of counsel by
his (admittedly highly flawed) inner circle/counsel. Moving the same blurts to @POTUS
might be all it would achieve, which might enhance the absurdity yet more?”

While I like the idea of his continued self-sabotage, his pronouncements probably keep a part of the base stoked.

If his accounts were to go away, those folks might not have the initiative to replace that outlet with another. And then they could get back to torturing animals or whatever it is they do all day.

The ACLU new policy to not support armed groups seems like a good step. There are other groups like the SPLC that can tackle the haters. I hope that if his rhetoric continues this way, and he repeatedly violates their terms of services, that they do shut him down completely. He can go on Fox and Friends or something.

Marcus

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