dropbox?

[Owen Densmore]

Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful.

    -- Owen



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[Robert Holmes]

Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular:

1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are always up to date and accessible;
2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines).

I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though.

-- R 

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful.

   -- Owen



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[Owen Densmore]

Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:

- Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?

- Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH key pairs?

- Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services?

- What's gpg like to use?

Sounds interesting.

    -- Owen

On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:

Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular:

1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are always up to date and accessible;
2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines).

I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though.

-- R 

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful.

   -- Owen



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[Russ Abbott]

I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage systems?  For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to 10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.)  Windows Live SkyDrive includes 25GB free.  (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.) Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say anything about keeping previous versions. 

-- Russ 

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:

- Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?

- Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH key pairs?

- Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services?

- What's gpg like to use?

Sounds interesting.

    -- Owen

On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:

Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular:

1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are always up to date and accessible;
2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines).

I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though.

-- R 

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful.

   -- Owen



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[Robert Holmes]

For me, the automatic sync is the big attraction. It's probably no better than any other online storage system if storage is all you want from it, but the ease of sync (and the fact that I can selectively share these synced folders with non-Dropbox users) is a big plus.

-- R

P.S. Dropbox keeps previous versions. Not sure how far back, but far enough back for my purposes.

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Russ Abbott <[hidden email]> wrote:

I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage systems?  For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to 10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.)  Windows Live SkyDrive includes 25GB free.  (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.) Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say anything about keeping previous versions. 

-- Russ 

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:

- Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?

- Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH key pairs?

- Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services?

- What's gpg like to use?

Sounds interesting.

    -- Owen

On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:

Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular:

1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are always up to date and accessible;
2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines).

I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though.

-- R 

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful.

   -- Owen



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[Robert Holmes]

Owen - 

• I use the paid version, because I've got tons of PDFs.
• Administering gpg can be a little opaque but there's some good guides out there (cheat sheet here; original reference documentation—surprisingly readable—here). 
• Mac/Win/Linux availability: yes. In all cases you can get GUI clients that sit on top of the command line tool, but to be honest I find the command line gpg easier to use. iPhone/Android: dunno, but I tend to use those as read-only devices.
• Once I had my public and secret keys set up I've only ever used "gpg -d" to decode a file and "gpg -e -s" to symmetrically encode it and sign it.

-- R

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:

- Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?

- Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH key pairs?

- Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services?

- What's gpg like to use?

Sounds interesting.

    -- Owen

On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:

Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular:

1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are always up to date and accessible;
2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines).

I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though.

-- R 

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful.

   -- Owen



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[Nick Thompson]

Russ,

 

I just rummaged around on SkyDrive help pages and could find no sign that it sync-ed automatically.  Any leads?

 

Nick

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 

I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage systems?  For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to 10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.)  Windows Live SkyDrive includes 25GB free.  (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.) Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say anything about keeping previous versions. 

-- Russ 

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:

- Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?

- Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH key pairs?

- Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services?

- What's gpg like to use?

 

Sounds interesting.

 

    -- Owen

 

 

On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:

Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular:

1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are always up to date and accessible;
2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines).

I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though.

 

-- R 

 

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful.

   -- Owen



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[Russ Abbott]

I know I saw it. It requires Windows 7. Since I don't have Windows 7, I didn't spend much time thinking about it.

I just did a quick search and found this page on Windows Live Mesh that seems relevant.

-- Russ 

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Russ,

 

I just rummaged around on SkyDrive help pages and could find no sign that it sync-ed automatically.  Any leads?

 

Nick

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 

I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage systems?  For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to 10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.)  Windows Live SkyDrive includes 25GB free.  (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.) Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say anything about keeping previous versions. 

-- Russ 

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:

- Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?

- Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH key pairs?

- Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services?

- What's gpg like to use?

 

Sounds interesting.

 

    -- Owen

 

 

On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:

Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular:

1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are always up to date and accessible;
2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines).

I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though.

 

-- R 

 

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful.

   -- Owen



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[Chris Feola]

Hey Nick,

 

We use Dropbox a ton; here’s why. I’ve never been a big fan of cloud storage—It’s OK, but I’ve always had access to servers and such, so there didn’t seem to be much of a point for someone in my situation. Dropbox, however, is a game changer. First, clients for everything. In my office alone we have it on Mac OSx, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, several flavors of Linux, iOS 3, iOS4 and Android 2.X.

 

Second, there’s the synching. On regular -- big -- machines such as desktops and laptops, Dropbox creates a mirror folder on your hard drive and synchronizes it with the cloud. Super useful for using multiple machines, backup, etc.  Even better, it means backups on every machine AS WELL AS the cloud, so even if the cloud went away I’m still in good shape. Plus, multiple levels of undelete, logging of who did what, share control, etc.

 

While this is a great strategy for hard drives, it's not so hot for the much tighter solid state storage on mobile devices. Here, Dropbox works in the opposite fashion-it creates what looks like a folder in your storage, but does NOT automatically synchronize the files. This has several advanatages: it allows you to access tons of stuff without using up your storage, for one. And it allows the Dropbox folder to appear as a usable drive to other programs, such as Docs to Go, so you can create docs on, say, your iPad and have them backed up/available for editing on your bigger hardware.

 

There's a catch to this, obviously -- it doesn't work when you're offline. So how do you make stuff in your Dropbox available for, say, work on an airplane? Simple-you favorite it.

 

So, bottom line: Great synching. Backup. Clients for pretty much everything. And if I’m in a meeting and need a doc I don’t have I can pull it up on my Android phone.

 

Recommended.

 

cjf

Christopher J. Feola
President, nextPression
Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/cjfeola

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:56 PM
To: [hidden email]; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 

Russ,

 

I just rummaged around on SkyDrive help pages and could find no sign that it sync-ed automatically.  Any leads?

 

Nick

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 

I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage systems?  For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to 10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.)  Windows Live SkyDrive includes 25GB free.  (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.) Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say anything about keeping previous versions. 

-- Russ 

 

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:

- Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?

- Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH key pairs?

- Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services?

- What's gpg like to use?

 

Sounds interesting.

 

    -- Owen

 

 

On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:

 

Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular:

1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are always up to date and accessible;
2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines).

I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though.

 

-- R 

 

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful.

   -- Owen



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[Owen Densmore]

Great info, thanks! Questions:

- Do you use the "pro" versions, the for-pay ones?  Or do you use the fee one.

- Is the only difference between the free and pay versions the amount of space?

- How do you deal with security?  Is SSH an option or are you stuck with passwords?

- Isn't performance a problem?  Our Santa Fe networks are really slow.

    -- Owen

On Nov 28, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Chris Feola wrote:

Hey Nick,

 

We use Dropbox a ton; here’s why. I’ve never been a big fan of cloud storage—It’s OK, but I’ve always had access to servers and such, so there didn’t seem to be much of a point for someone in my situation. Dropbox, however, is a game changer. First, clients for everything. In my office alone we have it on Mac OSx, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, several flavors of Linux, iOS 3, iOS4 and Android 2.X.

 

Second, there’s the synching. On regular -- big -- machines such as desktops and laptops, Dropbox creates a mirror folder on your hard drive and synchronizes it with the cloud. Super useful for using multiple machines, backup, etc.  Even better, it means backups on every machine AS WELL AS the cloud, so even if the cloud went away I’m still in good shape. Plus, multiple levels of undelete, logging of who did what, share control, etc.

 

While this is a great strategy for hard drives, it's not so hot for the much tighter solid state storage on mobile devices. Here, Dropbox works in the opposite fashion-it creates what looks like a folder in your storage, but does NOT automatically synchronize the files. This has several advanatages: it allows you to access tons of stuff without using up your storage, for one. And it allows the Dropbox folder to appear as a usable drive to other programs, such as Docs to Go, so you can create docs on, say, your iPad and have them backed up/available for editing on your bigger hardware.

 

There's a catch to this, obviously -- it doesn't work when you're offline. So how do you make stuff in your Dropbox available for, say, work on an airplane? Simple-you favorite it.

 

So, bottom line: Great synching. Backup. Clients for pretty much everything. And if I’m in a meeting and need a doc I don’t have I can pull it up on my Android phone.

 

Recommended.

 

cjf

Christopher J. Feola
President, nextPression
Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/cjfeola

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:56 PM
To: [hidden email]; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 

Russ,

 

I just rummaged around on SkyDrive help pages and could find no sign that it sync-ed automatically.  Any leads?

 

Nick

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 

I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage systems?  For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to 10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.)  Windows Live SkyDrive includes 25GB free.  (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.) Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say anything about keeping previous versions. 

-- Russ 

 

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:

- Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?

- Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH key pairs?

- Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services?

- What's gpg like to use?

 

Sounds interesting.

 

    -- Owen

 

 

On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:

 

Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular:

1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are always up to date and accessible;
2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines).

I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though.

 

-- R 

 

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Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful.

   -- Owen



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I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.

Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as a referral?
        https://www.dropbox.com/referrals

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Nice timing, Owen.  I signed up three days ago.

--Doug

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.

Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as a referral?
       https://www.dropbox.com/referrals

If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get 250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB.  Just send me an email, I'll fill the form above, and we'll both get a larger account.

   -- Owen



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I agree.  I, too, like DropBox, but I encourage new users to give some thought to how you will organize your HD to maximize the ease of knowing which file is in which folder.  That is, will you create one macro-DropBox folder and have subfolders in it or will you keep the file structure you are currently using and have many tributaries pointing to the "DropBox in the Cloud" folder(s).

-tom

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.

Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as a referral?
       https://www.dropbox.com/referrals

If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get 250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB.  Just send me an email, I'll fill the form above, and we'll both get a larger account.

   -- Owen


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Off topic:

The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of
them.  

Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to?

N

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

        McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning

        This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these
sites:
        friam.org

I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the
way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.

Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as
a referral?
        https://www.dropbox.com/referrals

If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get
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[Owen Densmore]

Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:

X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "milan.hostgo.com", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...]  Content analysis details:   (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name              description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00               BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list

But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see.

    -- Owen

On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Off topic:

The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of
them.  

Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? 

N

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning

This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these
sites:
friam.org

I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the
way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.

Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as
a referral? 
https://www.dropbox.com/referrals

If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get
250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB.  Just send me an email, I'll fill the
form above, and we'll both get a larger account.

   -- Owen



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[Nick Thompson]

Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?

 

 

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 

	McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning
	This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
	friam.org

Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:

                                                   X-Spam-Report:      Spam detection software, running on the system "milan.hostgo.com", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...]  Content analysis details:   (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name              description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00               BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list

 

But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see.

 

    -- Owen

On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Off topic:

The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of
them.  

Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? 

N

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

            McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning

            This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these
sites:
            friam.org

I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the
way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.

Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as
a referral? 
            https://www.dropbox.com/referrals

If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get
250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB.  Just send me an email, I'll fill the
form above, and we'll both get a larger account.

   -- Owen



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[Roger Critchlow-2]

The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent.  Ah, but it is one of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the recipient of email from NicksPC.  So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they could.

I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report in any, where were they?  Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen?  Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net?  They might only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted mailboxes.  The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in your copies. 

The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen is seeing.  SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators.  

Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned.  That is, despite the paranoia which we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites.

-- rec --

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?

 

 

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 

	McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning
	This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
	friam.org

Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:

                                                   X-Spam-Report:      Spam detection software, running on the system "milan.hostgo.com", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...]  Content analysis details:   (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name              description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00               BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list

 

But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see.

 

    -- Owen

On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Off topic:

The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of
them.  

Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? 

N

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

            McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning

            This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these
sites:
            friam.org

I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the
way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.

Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as
a referral? 
            https://www.dropbox.com/referrals

If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get
250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB.  Just send me an email, I'll fill the
form above, and we'll both get a larger account.

   -- Owen



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No need to pwn the DNS, McAffee has friam.org yellow listed:

http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org

McAfee TrustedSource web reputation analysis found potential suspicious behavior on this site which may pose a security risk. Use with caution.

So, which one you is linking to friam.org from your drive by download emporiums?

-- rec --

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:

The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent.  Ah, but it is one of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the recipient of email from NicksPC.  So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they could.

I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report in any, where were they?  Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen?  Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net?  They might only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted mailboxes.  The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in your copies. 

The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen is seeing.  SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators.  

Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned.  That is, despite the paranoia which we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites.

-- rec --

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?

 

 

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 

	McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning
	This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
	friam.org

Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:

                                                   X-Spam-Report:      Spam detection software, running on the system "milan.hostgo.com", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...]  Content analysis details:   (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name              description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00               BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list

 

But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see.

 

    -- Owen

On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Off topic:

The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of
them.  

Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? 

N

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

            McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning

            This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these
sites:
            friam.org

I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the
way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.

Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as
a referral? 
            https://www.dropbox.com/referrals

If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get
250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB.  Just send me an email, I'll fill the
form above, and we'll both get a larger account.

   -- Owen



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[Nick Thompson]

Roger.

 

Can you explain what you mean by a “download emporium”?  

 

Are there any serious issues here, or are we at play?

 

N

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:25 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 

	McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning
	This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
	friam.org

No need to pwn the DNS, McAffee has friam.org yellow listed:

 

http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org

 

McAfee TrustedSource web reputation analysis found potential suspicious behavior on this site which may pose a security risk. Use with caution.

 

So, which one you is linking to friam.org from your drive by download emporiums?

 

-- rec --

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:

The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent.  Ah, but it is one of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the recipient of email from NicksPC.  So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they could.

 

I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report in any, where were they?  Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen?  Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net?  They might only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted mailboxes.  The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in your copies. 

 

The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen is seeing.  SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators.  

 

Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned.  That is, despite the paranoia which we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites.

 

-- rec --

 

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?

 

 

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 

	McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning
	This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
	friam.org

Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:

                                                   X-Spam-Report:      Spam detection software, running on the system "milan.hostgo.com", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...]  Content analysis details:   (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name              description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00               BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list

 

But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see.

 

    -- Owen

On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Off topic:

The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of
them.  

Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? 

N

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

            McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning

            This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these
sites:
            friam.org

I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the
way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.

Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as
a referral? 
            https://www.dropbox.com/referrals

If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get
250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB.  Just send me an email, I'll fill the
form above, and we'll both get a larger account.

   -- Owen



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[Russell Standish]

On a related note, which may bear on the original question, I
discovered a whole batch of FRIAM emails in the last couple of weeks
classified as spam by Spam Assassin (which inserts the X-spam
headers), which I have running on my laptop. I wasn't really able to
figure out why, although it is possible that being RBLed is enough to
trigger Spam Assassin.

I have taken the explicit step of adding the FRIAM address to my
procmailrc as to bypass spam filtering for all FRIAM emails. I can't
recall the last time I saw real spam coming through on FRAIM :).

Cheers

On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:56:26PM -0700, Roger Critchlow wrote:

> Nothing serious, just a false positive in McAffee's SiteAdvisor.
>
> A download emporium would be a malware business, web sites stocked with all
> sorts of malicious software for the unwary to sample.  And linking from
> there to friam.org would provide McAffee with the "evidence" for their
> rating algorithm.
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Nicholas Thompson <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Roger.
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you explain what you mean by a “download emporium”?
> >
> >
> >
> > Are there any serious issues here, or are we at play?
> >
> >
> >
> > N
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] *On
> > Behalf Of *Roger Critchlow
> > *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2011 2:25 PM
> >
> > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning*
> >
> >
> >
> > This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
> >
> >
> > <http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_uid=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&locale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0>
> >
> > friam.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > No need to pwn the DNS, McAffee has friam.org yellow listed:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org
> >
> >
> >
> > McAfee TrustedSource web reputation analysis found potential suspicious
> > behavior on this site which may pose a security risk. Use with caution.
> >
> >
> >
> > So, which one you is linking to friam.org from your drive by download
> > emporiums?
> >
> >
> >
> > -- rec --
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > The IP address that the style='font-size:10.5pt'>[209.86.89.62 listed in
> > list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which doesn't
> > have any relationship to anything that Owen sent.  Ah, but it is one of smtp
> > servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the
> > recipient of email from NicksPC.  So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was
> > blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as
> > they could.
> >
> >
> >
> > I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report
> > in any, where were they?  Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen?
> >  Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net?  They might
> > only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted
> > mailboxes.  The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if
> > the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in
> > your copies.
> >
> >
> >
> > The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that
> > Owen is seeing.  SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the
> > IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous
> > sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators.
> >
> >
> >
> > Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would
> > wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned.  That is, despite the paranoia which
> > we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has
> > hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites.
> >
> >
> >
> > -- rec --
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] *On
> > Behalf Of *Owen Densmore
> > *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM
> >
> >
> > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
> >
> >
> >
> > *McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning*
> >
> >
> >
> > This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
> >
> >
> > <http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_uid=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&locale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0>
> >
> > friam.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:
> >
> >                                                    *X-Spam-Report: *     Spam
> > detection software, running on the system "milan.hostgo.com", has
> > identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has
> > been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar
> > future email.  If you have any questions, see the administrator of that
> > system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears
> > only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything
> > about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...]  Content
> > analysis details:   (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name
> > description ---- ----------------------
> > -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE
> > RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62
> > listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain
> > matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00               BODY: Bayes spam
> > probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the
> > auto white-list
> >
> >
> >
> > But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see.
> >
> >
> >
> >     -- Owen
> >
> >
> > On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
> >
> > Off topic:
> >
> > The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of
> > them.
> >
> > Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to?
> >
> > N
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> > Behalf
> > Of Owen Densmore
> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM
> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
> >
> >             McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning
> >
> >             This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these
> > sites:
> >             friam.org
> >
> > I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the
> > way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.
> >
> > Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up
> > as
> > a referral?
> >             https://www.dropbox.com/referrals
> >
> > If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get
> > 250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB.  Just send me an email, I'll fill the
> > form above, and we'll both get a larger account.
> >
> >    -- Owen
> >
> >
> >
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