In relation to this, AFAIC, if it aint in open access, it aint
visible. I can count on one hand the number of times in the last 10
years I've rooted around using my university's journal subscription to
download the official journal copy of a paper.
Usually, the stuff I am informed by is, in descending order a) in
arXiv, b) in some other open access journal, c) a preprint (preferably
electronic) that the author sent me, or found by means of a Google
search. I have to be completely desparate to go though universities
onlione subscription. I have never actually paid for a copy of an
article, and at $35 a pop, doubt I ever will.
As a consequence, ever since journals started asking me to sign over
copyright, I insist that I retain a license to publish the articles in
an open access preprint server, and on my on personal web server. This
quite often involved striking out text, or adding text to the
copyright transfer agreement, along with my signature. For the first
few years I did this, there was no pushback (did the publishers ever
read the returned copyright transfer agreement?), however once it had
the effect of delaying the publication of a collection by about a
month while their IP lawyers argued the toss. In the end, I got my
license, and the publication went ahead with my contribution.
More recently, I've found that the copyright transfer forms include
explicit licensing back to the author of certain rights, such as
posting on institutional or other eprint servers. I can't claim to
have single-handedly reformed the academic publishing industry - I'm
sure there must have others arguing their corner like me - but it
must've helped.
Back to the original topic - in today's world, having your article on
arXiv is no guarantee it will be noticed by anybody, but if its not
there, it's almost certain to be ignored.
Cheers
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 03:31:48PM -0600, Owen Densmore wrote:
> Agreed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz>
> Although I've found:
> - The recent revolution by scholars against paper tyranny hopeful
> - Many authors are posting their papers on their websites
>
> The ACM was one of the worst, making the Turing Awards for-pay
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Stephen Guerin
> <
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>
> > What about independent researchers not associated with a library
> > system trying to browse academic papers (funded by taxpayers) held
> > behind academic journal paywalls for $35/copy?
> >
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> > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Edward Angel <
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> > > Owen,
> > >
> > > As you know, I've never had any real objection to your position and I
> > agree
> > > as to the lack of a reasonable modern distribution system. I do get upset
> > > when the conversation approaches the "I think the price is too high so
> > I'm
> > > justified in making an illegal copy."
> > >
> > > Ed
> > > __________
> > >
> > > Ed Angel
> > >
> > > Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS
> > > Lab)
> > > Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
> > >
> > > 1017 Sierra Pinon
> > > Santa Fe, NM 87501
> > > 505-984-0136 (home)
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> > > 505-453-4944 (cell)
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> > >
> > > On Apr 18, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> > >
> > > I too have had to build an ethics, so to speak.
> > >
> > > Books: For quite a while, I simply downloaded books to see if I wanted to
> > > buy them. I deleted the download and purchased the book if I liked the
> > > download. Also download books if I have the paper version.
> > >
> > > EBooks: Similar. Then came the problem of formats. For example, Amazon
> > only
> > > provides kindle format (.mobi/.azw) while tech books provide three
> > formats
> > > (.pdf, .mobi, .epub). I found myself downloading pdf versions of .azw's
> > > because the silly books referred to "pages". Hopefully Az will finally
> > come
> > > around, but until they do, and the book is not available in multiple
> > > formats, I'll download a pdf if need be. Almost all tech books are
> > ebooks
> > > and on my iPad.
> > >
> > > Video: I downloaded old TV shows which were not available otherwise.
> > Also,
> > > our net was DSL, so too slow for streaming, even youtube! With a new
> > faster
> > > network, cable, we're looking at Amazon primarily, and have Az Prime so
> > many
> > > videos are available free. We also have NetFlix streaming but don't
> > seem to
> > > use it. We stopped NetFlix DVDs when they hit a 30% failure rate. Not
> > sure
> > > about Hulu, don't use it now. We record, TiVo, a LOT of sports and
> > cooking
> > > shows and re-runs on SciFi channel.
> > >
> > > Papers/Magazines: Thus far I have not payed for NYTimes. They let me
> > read N
> > > a month, and I believe allow click-throughs to not count against the N.
> > But
> > > I admit to defeating their count by going incognito in Chrome at times,
> > > maybe once a month. I've also found that much of their stuff finds
> > itself
> > > elsewhere.
> > >
> > > I believe a "digital library" solution would be helpful for paying for a
> > lot
> > > of media. I'd gladly pay $D dollars for N subscriptions .. a "book
> > shelf"
> > > like OReilly's Safari .. but much broader.
> > >
> > > So I'm sorta in the middle, but mainly due to the media industries not
> > > "catching up". Between Az Prime and buying ebooks, I'm easily at
> > $250/year
> > > .. yipes! My guess is that the big TV companies will try one way or
> > another
> > > to make older shows available, but I don't think they've done it yet.
> > Az
> > > doesn't offer pdf's yet but I'm sure they'll both improve their page
> > > references etc, and go multiformat sometime.
> > >
> > > -- Owen
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Edward Angel <
[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> From an author's perspective:
> > >>
> > >> 1. By downloading a pirated copy, you lower the number of books a
> > library
> > >> will purchase which does cost the author.
> > >> 2. Having a permanent copy has some value over a library book for many
> > >> people.
> > >>
> > >> Ed
> > >> __________
> > >>
> > >> Ed Angel
> > >>
> > >> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory
> > (ARTS
> > >> Lab)
> > >> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
> > >>
> > >> 1017 Sierra Pinon
> > >> Santa Fe, NM 87501
> > >> 505-984-0136 (home)
[hidden email]
> > >> 505-453-4944 (cell)
http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Apr 18, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:
> > >>
> > >> But it sounds like it is out of your price range, at least for now. The
> > >> author (nor the publisher) gets no money from you checking the book out
> > of
> > >> the library, so what are they losing from you pirating the book? Not
> > that I
> > >> am suggesting that is what you should do - it is an individual decision,
> > >> after all - but I always find it interesting what people consider their
> > >> 'boundary' and why.
> > >> -Arlo James Barnes
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