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Merle, Do we need a Whole Earth Catalogue of climate change survival? Or is there one, already, and I just don’t know of it? I wonder how many people on this list are old enough to remember the WEC. It has always seemed to me to have been, in some weird way, a harbinger of the internet. It created the need which the Internet then filled. By the way, do we all agree that Miami and New Orleans are doomed, and those of us who live there should move? What about the southwest? Where do we stand and fight, and where do we roll up the teepee, hitch up the horses, and move inland, north, or both. It would seem to take a LOT of dooming to get people to move. The data on west coast earthquake vulnerability are terrifying, yet nobody moves. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff Well, he's right. There a rapidly increasing number of "climate refugees" and some interesting maps of the next best places in the world to survive by building small communities, amending the soil, and growing and storing food. On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 9:51 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Between 1990 and 2000 I owned 40 acres of Piñon-Juniper land about 90 miles south of Santa Fe. I recently saw an item about a highly effective carbon sequestration grass. It has stiff leaves about 3 or 4 feet long. For a moment I thought that I should have planted that stuff there. Then I realized that watering it would be a severe problem. Wells there produce a maximum of 16 gallons of water per minute. The neighbors would have been annoyed since they wouldn't have bought the carbon argument. ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 2:00 PM David Eric Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
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The cloud forests and coastal plains of northern South America are very humid with lots of sunshine and rain for much of the year. I am leaving the majority of my 110 acres here in Ecuador in secondary forest for the wildlife. Of course when the shit really hits the fan in the north, ownership will likely mean very little. I try to stay on good terms with my neighbors. On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 4:45 PM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Merle -
Thanks for introducing the Complexity and Climate meeting you
organized last month to the Friam contingent. The meeting was a
transformative experience for me. While I was already highly
attuned to the challenges addressed at the meeting both personally
and professionally, meeting our European (and specifically the
Swedish core of the contingent) and seeing how positively and
progressively they (and the broader culture of northern Europe or
at least Scandinavia) are approaching these problems was very
heartening. Most of those we met were already systems thinkers
and many were already familiar with some of the more esoteric
aspects of Complexity Science such as scale free networks and
bifurcation points in dynamical systems and seemed highly
receptive to new and potentially more subtle/complex ways of
thinking about the problems they are grappling with. The most notable takeaway for me perhaps, was realizing how much
more "humanist" the Scandinavian Scientists (Europeans in
general?) are and how much our current problems are fundamentally
ONLY addressable through significant and sweeping paradigm changes
at many levels, from the individual to the global, across
politics, economics, and socio-cultural domains. Stephen and I
have been discussing these observations and following up with some
of the folks we met there on more specific ideas and possible
projects to advance this thoughtfully but without delay. - Steve -------- Forwarded Message --------
Steven Smith and
Stephen Guerin were two of the complex systems scientists
our organization (The Center for Emergent Diplomacy) invited
to join a conference we organized in Stockholm a few weeks
ago--combining our guys with our Swedish network of
scientists and policy wonks working seriously on climate
emergency. My idea was that the deep dialogue on global
warming that I experience (and sometimes facilitate)
happening around the world everywhere but here in the
U.S--could really benefit from a Complexity spin. Steve and
Stephen are somewhat up-to-date, and you might get some
interesting replies from them.
By the way--all the
major government reports, including the UN IPCC reports, are
heavily censored because of how the research is funded.
There is tremendous pressure to present only best-case
scenarios-- for obvious corporate reasons. Also, if any of
you think the disaster scenarios are "over-hyped", you
really don't have a clue. Yes, the future is
unprestateable, but many parts of the world are already
experiencing the future of global warming in the present,
like a good science fiction story. And there is a rapidly
growing scientific consensus about how quickly the window is
closing on any attempts to contain the risk to human
survival on a much-altered planet.
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AM Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote:
Questions, that do NOT, in any manner or form deny the reality of climate change. Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
twitter: @Merle_Lefkoff
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Nick, the "Catalogue" is evolving and welcomes suggestions--although many, if not most, of the techie fixes are too little too late. Global warming is now a Humanities problem. On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 1:02 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
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