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Eric Charles

blog recomendations?

Hey all,
Against all my wife's better judgment, I am considering starting a blog. Enough of my professional colleagues have them, and enough interesting stuff seems to be happening on them, that it seems a good idea. I was hoping for some collective wisdom about the pros and cons of different blogging platforms. I do, in theory, have the ability to host it myself, or to use Penn State's in-house system, but my initial inclination is to go with an established entity that makes it easy to do things like track other blogs and track user stats. I'm not even sure what other factors I should care about.

Again, any collective wisdom would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Eric

Douglas Roberts-2

Re: blog recomendations?

You'll be sorry. :) Look what happened to one discontented LANL employee when he started one. Maybe it's ok to start one if you're contented, though.

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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:56 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hey all,
Against all my wife's better judgment, I am considering starting a blog. Enough of my professional colleagues have them, and enough interesting stuff seems to be happening on them, that it seems a good idea. I was hoping for some collective wisdom about the pros and cons of different blogging platforms. I do, in theory, have the ability to host it myself, or to use Penn State's in-house system, but my initial inclination is to go with an established entity that makes it easy to do things like track other blogs and track user stats. I'm not even sure what other factors I should care about.

Again, any collective wisdom would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Eric

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scaganoff

Re: blog recomendations?

In reply to this post by Eric Charles

I use Wordpress that I installed and hosted myself on a godaddy cheapie virtual host - mostly for the experience. You could use the hosted version(wordpress.com) which is free I think? I'm very happy with Wordpress and it seems to be oone of the most popular platforms.

Cheers,
Saul

On 18 May 2011 08:56, ERIC P. CHARLES <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hey all,
Against all my wife's better judgment, I am considering starting a blog. Enough of my professional colleagues have them, and enough interesting stuff seems to be happening on them, that it seems a good idea. I was hoping for some collective wisdom about the pros and cons of different blogging platforms. I do, in theory, have the ability to host it myself, or to use Penn State's in-house system, but my initial inclination is to go with an established entity that makes it easy to do things like track other blogs and track user stats. I'm not even sure what other factors I should care about.

Again, any collective wisdom would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Eric

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Nick Thompson

Re: blog recomendations?

In reply to this post by Eric Charles

Eric,

I would not advise anyone to start a blog who didn’t have a genuine case of logorrhea. It’s like, gee, wouldn’t it be nice to have a daily column in the newspaper. Yeah, for about a week, but then…..? It’s like having to cook dinner EVERY night.

I have logorrhea, but it’s a form of the disease called “responsive logorrhea”. Responsive logorhheaics (!??) are silent until asked a question, but once asked, can always be counted on to write an answer so long the questioner won’t possibly read it.

Like, for instance, this message ….

Nick

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ERIC P. CHARLES
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:56 PM
To: friam
Subject: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?

Eric

Victoria Hughes

Re: blog recomendations?

ho ho ho.

Too true.

Although personally I prefer 'compulsive communicator'.

Victoria

On May 17, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Eric,

I would not advise anyone to start a blog who didn’t have a genuine case of logorrhea. It’s like, gee, wouldn’t it be nice to have a daily column in the newspaper. Yeah, for about a week, but then…..? It’s like having to cook dinner EVERY night.

I have logorrhea, but it’s a form of the disease called “responsive logorrhea”. Responsive logorhheaics (!??) are silent until asked a question, but once asked, can always be counted on to write an answer so long the questioner won’t possibly read it.

Like, for instance, this message ….
Nick

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ERIC P. CHARLES
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:56 PM
To: friam
Subject: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?

Hey all,
Against all my wife's better judgment, I am considering starting a blog. Enough of my professional colleagues have them, and enough interesting stuff seems to be happening on them, that it seems a good idea. I was hoping for some collective wisdom about the pros and cons of different blogging platforms. I do, in theory, have the ability to host it myself, or to use Penn State's in-house system, but my initial inclination is to go with an established entity that makes it easy to do things like track other blogs and track user stats. I'm not even sure what other factors I should care about.

Again, any collective wisdom would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Eric
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Victoria Hughes

Re: blog recomendations?

In reply to this post by Eric Charles

Note:

If you get hosting through HostMonster or BlueHost or any of those, there's no fee for domain registration. GoDaddy will charge you for registration, usually 11.99 a year, plus all sorts of other small duck-pecks that add up.

( I have several accounts with GoDaddy and for many things they are great, but if things get complicated, they will always help you but they may be wrong, or worse, break something. May be an unusual event, but a couple of months ago they actually deleted my entire website - database and all. They went off into their actual PHYSICAL TAPES (!!!) to find my site at a previous time and reinstalled it, but this all took two weeks, and left many broken links, and they never apologized or gave me a refund or credit. I am moving my sites to HostMonster, but doing it verrrrry carefully.)

Victoria

On May 17, 2011, at 4:56 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote:

Hey all,
Against all my wife's better judgment, I am considering starting a blog. Enough of my professional colleagues have them, and enough interesting stuff seems to be happening on them, that it seems a good idea. I was hoping for some collective wisdom about the pros and cons of different blogging platforms. I do, in theory, have the ability to host it myself, or to use Penn State's in-house system, but my initial inclination is to go with an established entity that makes it easy to do things like track other blogs and track user stats. I'm not even sure what other factors I should care about.

Again, any collective wisdom would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Eric
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Robert J. Cordingley

Re: blog recomendations?

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Hi Eric
WordPress. If you get stuck or need some customizing I can help you. There are tons of plugins for almost anything - very extensible.
Robert Cordingley
cirrillian.com

On 5/17/11 4:56 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote:

Hey all,
Against all my wife's better judgment, I am considering starting a blog. Enough of my professional colleagues have them, and enough interesting stuff seems to be happening on them, that it seems a good idea. I was hoping for some collective wisdom about the pros and cons of different blogging platforms. I do, in theory, have the ability to host it myself, or to use Penn State's in-house system, but my initial inclination is to go with an established entity that makes it easy to do things like track other blogs and track user stats. I'm not even sure what other factors I should care about.

Again, any collective wisdom would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Eric
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Gillian Densmore

Re: blog recomendations?

Wordpress is indeed pretty sweet. You might also want to check out
googles I think it's called blogger you may need a google acount to
use it.
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Robert J. Cordingley
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Eric
> WordPress. If you get stuck or need some customizing I can help you. There
> are tons of plugins for almost anything - very extensible.
> Robert Cordingley
> cirrillian.com
>
> On 5/17/11 4:56 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> Against all my wife's better judgment, I am considering starting a blog.
> Enough of my professional colleagues have them, and enough interesting stuff
> seems to be happening on them, that it seems a good idea. I was hoping for
> some collective wisdom about the pros and cons of different blogging
> platforms. I do, in theory, have the ability to host it myself, or to use
> Penn State's in-house system, but my initial inclination is to go with an
> established entity that makes it easy to do things like track other blogs
> and track user stats. I'm not even sure what other factors I should care
> about.
>
> Again, any collective wisdom would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
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>

Nick Thompson

Re: blog recomendations?

My slight experience with WordPress made me feel that it had a nerdy heart.
Dont be ashamed to try something that costs a little and doesnt have the
notion that learning obscure finger-mantras is good for your soul.

But I probably don't know what I am talking about.

Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:28 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?

Wordpress is indeed pretty sweet. You might also want to check out googles I
think it's called blogger you may need a google acount to use it.
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Robert J. Cordingley
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Eric
> WordPress. If you get stuck or need some customizing I can help you.
> There are tons of plugins for almost anything - very extensible.
> Robert Cordingley
> cirrillian.com
>
> On 5/17/11 4:56 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> Against all my wife's better judgment, I am considering starting a blog.
> Enough of my professional colleagues have them, and enough interesting
> stuff seems to be happening on them, that it seems a good idea. I was
> hoping for some collective wisdom about the pros and cons of different
> blogging platforms. I do, in theory, have the ability to host it
> myself, or to use Penn State's in-house system, but my initial
> inclination is to go with an established entity that makes it easy to
> do things like track other blogs and track user stats. I'm not even
> sure what other factors I should care about.
>
> Again, any collective wisdom would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe
> at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
> http://www.friam.org
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe
> at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
> http://www.friam.org
>

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scaganoff

Re: blog recomendations?

"nerdy heart" - is that good or bad?

Sent from my iPhone

On 19/05/2011, at 2:42 PM, Nicholas Thompson
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> My slight experience with WordPress made me feel that it had a nerdy heart.
> Don’t be ashamed to try something that costs a little and doesn’t have the
> notion that learning obscure finger-mantras is good for your soul.
>
> But I probably don't know what I am talking about.
>
> Nick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
> Of Gillian Densmore
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:28 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?
>
> Wordpress is indeed pretty sweet. You might also want to check out googles I
> think it's called blogger you may need a google acount to use it.
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Robert J. Cordingley
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Eric
>> WordPress. If you get stuck or need some customizing I can help you.
>> There are tons of plugins for almost anything - very extensible.
>> Robert Cordingley
>> cirrillian.com
>>
>> On 5/17/11 4:56 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>> Against all my wife's better judgment, I am considering starting a blog.
>> Enough of my professional colleagues have them, and enough interesting
>> stuff seems to be happening on them, that it seems a good idea. I was
>> hoping for some collective wisdom about the pros and cons of different
>> blogging platforms. I do, in theory, have the ability to host it
>> myself, or to use Penn State's in-house system, but my initial
>> inclination is to go with an established entity that makes it easy to
>> do things like track other blogs and track user stats. I'm not even
>> sure what other factors I should care about.
>>
>> Again, any collective wisdom would be appreciated!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> ============================================================
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe
>> at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>> http://www.friam.org
>>
>> ============================================================
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe
>> at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>> http://www.friam.org
>>
>
> ============================================================
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> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives,
> unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
>
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Nick Thompson

Re: blog recomendations?

Saul,

I suppose it depends on whether you have a nerdy brain.

N

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of Saul Caganoff
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:43 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?

"nerdy heart" - is that good or bad?

Sent from my iPhone

On 19/05/2011, at 2:42 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> My slight experience with WordPress made me feel that it had a nerdy
heart.

> Don't be ashamed to try something that costs a little and doesn't have
> the notion that learning obscure finger-mantras is good for your soul.
>
> But I probably don't know what I am talking about.
>
> Nick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:28 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?
>
> Wordpress is indeed pretty sweet. You might also want to check out
> googles I think it's called blogger you may need a google acount to use

it.

> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Robert J. Cordingley
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Eric
>> WordPress. If you get stuck or need some customizing I can help you.
>> There are tons of plugins for almost anything - very extensible.
>> Robert Cordingley
>> cirrillian.com
>>
>> On 5/17/11 4:56 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>> Against all my wife's better judgment, I am considering starting a blog.
>> Enough of my professional colleagues have them, and enough
>> interesting stuff seems to be happening on them, that it seems a good
>> idea. I was hoping for some collective wisdom about the pros and cons
>> of different blogging platforms. I do, in theory, have the ability to
>> host it myself, or to use Penn State's in-house system, but my
>> initial inclination is to go with an established entity that makes it
>> easy to do things like track other blogs and track user stats. I'm
>> not even sure what other factors I should care about.
>>
>> Again, any collective wisdom would be appreciated!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> ============================================================
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at
>> cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>> http://www.friam.org
>>
>> ============================================================
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at
>> cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>> http://www.friam.org
>>
>
> ============================================================
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> at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
> http://www.friam.org
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>
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Tyler White

Re: blog recomendations?

Go self-hosted Wordpress blog. No other option comes close at the moment.

Tyler White¹
http://TylerWhiteDesign.com
http://twitter.com/Uberousful

On May 19, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

> Saul,
>
> I suppose it depends on whether you have a nerdy brain.
>
> N
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
> Of Saul Caganoff
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:43 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?
>
> "nerdy heart" - is that good or bad?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 19/05/2011, at 2:42 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> My slight experience with WordPress made me feel that it had a nerdy
> heart.
>> Don't be ashamed to try something that costs a little and doesn't have
>> the notion that learning obscure finger-mantras is good for your soul.
>>
>> But I probably don't know what I am talking about.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
>> Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:28 PM
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?
>>
>> Wordpress is indeed pretty sweet. You might also want to check out
>> googles I think it's called blogger you may need a google acount to use
> it.
>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Robert J. Cordingley
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi Eric
>>> WordPress. If you get stuck or need some customizing I can help you.
>>> There are tons of plugins for almost anything - very extensible.
>>> Robert Cordingley
>>> cirrillian.com
>>>
>>> On 5/17/11 4:56 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>> Against all my wife's better judgment, I am considering starting a blog.
>>> Enough of my professional colleagues have them, and enough
>>> interesting stuff seems to be happening on them, that it seems a good
>>> idea. I was hoping for some collective wisdom about the pros and cons
>>> of different blogging platforms. I do, in theory, have the ability to
>>> host it myself, or to use Penn State's in-house system, but my
>>> initial inclination is to go with an established entity that makes it
>>> easy to do things like track other blogs and track user stats. I'm
>>> not even sure what other factors I should care about.
>>>
>>> Again, any collective wisdom would be appreciated!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> ============================================================
>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at
>>> cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>
>>> ============================================================
>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at
>>> cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>
>>
>> ============================================================
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe
>> at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>> http://www.friam.org
>>
>>
>> ============================================================
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe
>> at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>> http://www.friam.org
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives,
> unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
>
> ============================================================
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> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
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Owen Densmore

Re: blog recomendations?

Administrator

This reminds me of a series we were considering at the beginning of SFX:
The Web In Small Bytes
The idea is to build a small set of short talks on all the confusing parts of the web and its use and programming.

There really are a large number of topics:

Overview: just what is the web and what are its parts?
- Browsers/Servers
- Where/How are the parts distributed
- What happens on the server
- What happens on the client (browser)
Parts:
- HTML/HTML5 & CSS
- Hosting
- FTP & Shell Login (bash, ssh/scp/wget/curl)
- Apache web server
- MySQL
- CMS: Content Management Systems
- Blogs (WordPress), Wikis (MediaWiki), Forums, SMTP/POP Mail, ...
- Programming
- Client: JavaScript
- Server: PHP, also Ruby & Python CMS
- Catalog of useful (often free) services
- gmail, wordpress.com, blogger, ...

If anyone is interested, we might have a round table on what is needed and how to best provide it.

-- Owen

On May 19, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Tyler White wrote:

> Go self-hosted Wordpress blog. No other option comes close at the moment.
>
> Tyler White¹
> http://TylerWhiteDesign.com
> http://twitter.com/Uberousful
>
> On May 19, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>
>> Saul,
>>
>> I suppose it depends on whether you have a nerdy brain.
>>
>> N
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
>> Of Saul Caganoff
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:43 AM
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?
>>
>> "nerdy heart" - is that good or bad?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 19/05/2011, at 2:42 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My slight experience with WordPress made me feel that it had a nerdy
>> heart.
>>> Don't be ashamed to try something that costs a little and doesn't have
>>> the notion that learning obscure finger-mantras is good for your soul.
>>>
>>> But I probably don't know what I am talking about.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
>>> Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:28 PM
>>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?
>>>
>>> Wordpress is indeed pretty sweet. You might also want to check out
>>> googles I think it's called blogger you may need a google acount to use
>> it.
>>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Robert J. Cordingley
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Hi Eric
>>>> WordPress. If you get stuck or need some customizing I can help you.
>>>> There are tons of plugins for almost anything - very extensible.
>>>> Robert Cordingley
>>>> cirrillian.com
>>>>
>>>> On 5/17/11 4:56 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> Against all my wife's better judgment, I am considering starting a blog.
>>>> Enough of my professional colleagues have them, and enough
>>>> interesting stuff seems to be happening on them, that it seems a good
>>>> idea. I was hoping for some collective wisdom about the pros and cons
>>>> of different blogging platforms. I do, in theory, have the ability to
>>>> host it myself, or to use Penn State's in-house system, but my
>>>> initial inclination is to go with an established entity that makes it
>>>> easy to do things like track other blogs and track user stats. I'm
>>>> not even sure what other factors I should care about.
>>>>
>>>> Again, any collective wisdom would be appreciated!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> ============================================================
>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at
>>>> cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>>
>>>> ============================================================
>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at
>>>> cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>>
>>>
>>> ============================================================
>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe
>>> at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>
>>>
>>> ============================================================
>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe
>>> at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>>> http://www.friam.org
>>
>> ============================================================
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>>
>>
>> ============================================================
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>
>
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Owen Densmore

Re: blog recomendations?

Administrator

In reply to this post by Tyler White

Speaking of very successful Content Management Systems (Wordpress), what has become of Joomla? http://www.joomla.org/

I ask because the second most popular question (first is blogging) is "How do I make a website easily"?

Wordpress actually works fine for a website -- note SFX uses it. But there was considerable interest in Joomla as well, but I haven't heard much about it lately.

-- Owen

On May 19, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Tyler White wrote:

Owen Densmore

Re: [sfx: Discuss] Re: blog recomendations?

Administrator

Main requirement: easy to migrate to other blogs. I've converted from Textpattern (really fine system) to Wordpress and there were good import/export tools that made the transition pretty reasonable. When I next migrate, I know I can do so due to the wordpress export features.

-- Owen

On May 20, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Tyler White wrote:

> I think the general consensus about Joomla is that its backend is poorly organized and clunky.
>
> Tyler White¹
> http://TylerWhiteDesign.com
> http://twitter.com/Uberousful
>
> On May 20, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Chad Kieffer wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> If you choose to self-host, I'd stick with Wordpress. Wordpress' UI is much better than any other blog app available, IMO.
>>
>> If you choose to go with a hosted service, I believe the top three choices are (in no particular order):
>>
>> Wordpress.com
>> Blogger
>> Tumblr
>>
>> All provide user tracking and other basic features (commenting, notifications, spam filtering, etc). Blogger likely provides better integration with other Google services (Google Reader, Analytics). Tumblr's the young up-and-comer with some interesting social aspects.
>>
>> - Chad
>>
>>
>> On May 20, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of very successful Content Management Systems (Wordpress), what has become of Joomla? http://www.joomla.org/
>>>
>>> I ask because the second most popular question (first is blogging) is "How do I make a website easily"?
>>>
>>> Wordpress actually works fine for a website -- note SFX uses it. But there was considerable interest in Joomla as well, but I haven't heard much about it lately.
>>>
>>> -- Owen
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Tyler White wrote:
>>>
>>>> Go self-hosted Wordpress blog. No other option comes close at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Tyler White¹
>>>> http://TylerWhiteDesign.com
>>>> http://twitter.com/Uberousful
>>>>
>>>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Saul,
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose it depends on whether you have a nerdy brain.
>>>>>
>>>>> N
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Saul Caganoff
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:43 AM
>>>>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?
>>>>>
>>>>> "nerdy heart" - is that good or bad?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19/05/2011, at 2:42 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My slight experience with WordPress made me feel that it had a nerdy
>>>>> heart.
>>>>>> Don't be ashamed to try something that costs a little and doesn't have
>>>>>> the notion that learning obscure finger-mantras is good for your soul.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I probably don't know what I am talking about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:28 PM
>>>>>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wordpress is indeed pretty sweet. You might also want to check out
>>>>>> googles I think it's called blogger you may need a google acount to use
>>>>> it.
>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Robert J. Cordingley
>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Eric
>>>>>>> WordPress. If you get stuck or need some customizing I can help you.
>>>>>>> There are tons of plugins for almost anything - very extensible.
>>>>>>> Robert Cordingley
>>>>>>> cirrillian.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/17/11 4:56 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>> Against all my wife's better judgment, I am considering starting a blog.
>>>>>>> Enough of my professional colleagues have them, and enough
>>>>>>> interesting stuff seems to be happening on them, that it seems a good
>>>>>>> idea. I was hoping for some collective wisdom about the pros and cons
>>>>>>> of different blogging platforms. I do, in theory, have the ability to
>>>>>>> host it myself, or to use Penn State's in-house system, but my
>>>>>>> initial inclination is to go with an established entity that makes it
>>>>>>> easy to do things like track other blogs and track user stats. I'm
>>>>>>> not even sure what other factors I should care about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, any collective wisdom would be appreciated!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ============================================================
>>>>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at
>>>>>>> cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>>>>>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ============================================================
>>>>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at
>>>>>>> cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>>>>>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ============================================================
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>>>>>> at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>>>>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ============================================================
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>>>>>> at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>>>>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>>>
>>>>> ============================================================
>>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>>>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives,
>>>>> unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ============================================================
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>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [sfx: Discuss] Re: blog recomendations?

Though I'm redisant to recomend it some people use facebook as if it's a blog.

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Main requirement: easy to migrate to other blogs. I've converted from Textpattern (really fine system) to Wordpress and there were good import/export tools that made the transition pretty reasonable. When I next migrate, I know I can do so due to the wordpress export features.
>
> -- Owen
>
> On May 20, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Tyler White wrote:
>
>> I think the general consensus about Joomla is that its backend is poorly organized and clunky.
>>
>> Tyler White¹
>> http://TylerWhiteDesign.com
>> http://twitter.com/Uberousful
>>
>> On May 20, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> If you choose to self-host, I'd stick with Wordpress. Wordpress' UI is much better than any other blog app available, IMO.
>>>
>>> If you choose to go with a hosted service, I believe the top three choices are (in no particular order):
>>>
>>> Wordpress.com
>>> Blogger
>>> Tumblr
>>>
>>> All provide user tracking and other basic features (commenting, notifications, spam filtering, etc). Blogger likely provides better integration with other Google services (Google Reader, Analytics). Tumblr's the young up-and-comer with some interesting social aspects.
>>>
>>> - Chad
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Speaking of very successful Content Management Systems (Wordpress), what has become of Joomla? http://www.joomla.org/
>>>>
>>>> I ask because the second most popular question (first is blogging) is "How do I make a website easily"?
>>>>
>>>> Wordpress actually works fine for a website -- note SFX uses it. But there was considerable interest in Joomla as well, but I haven't heard much about it lately.
>>>>
>>>> -- Owen
>>>>
>>>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Tyler White wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Go self-hosted Wordpress blog. No other option comes close at the moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tyler White¹
>>>>> http://TylerWhiteDesign.com
>>>>> http://twitter.com/Uberousful
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Saul,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose it depends on whether you have a nerdy brain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> N
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Saul Caganoff
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:43 AM
>>>>>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "nerdy heart" - is that good or bad?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19/05/2011, at 2:42 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My slight experience with WordPress made me feel that it had a nerdy
>>>>>> heart.
>>>>>>> Don't be ashamed to try something that costs a little and doesn't have
>>>>>>> the notion that learning obscure finger-mantras is good for your soul.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I probably don't know what I am talking about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:28 PM
>>>>>>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wordpress is indeed pretty sweet. You might also want to check out
>>>>>>> googles I think it's called blogger you may need a google acount to use
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Robert J. Cordingley
>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Eric
>>>>>>>> WordPress. If you get stuck or need some customizing I can help you.
>>>>>>>> There are tons of plugins for almost anything - very extensible.
>>>>>>>> Robert Cordingley
>>>>>>>> cirrillian.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/17/11 4:56 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>> Against all my wife's better judgment, I am considering starting a blog.
>>>>>>>> Enough of my professional colleagues have them, and enough
>>>>>>>> interesting stuff seems to be happening on them, that it seems a good
>>>>>>>> idea. I was hoping for some collective wisdom about the pros and cons
>>>>>>>> of different blogging platforms. I do, in theory, have the ability to
>>>>>>>> host it myself, or to use Penn State's in-house system, but my
>>>>>>>> initial inclination is to go with an established entity that makes it
>>>>>>>> easy to do things like track other blogs and track user stats. I'm
>>>>>>>> not even sure what other factors I should care about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, any collective wisdom would be appreciated!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ============================================================
>>>>>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at
>>>>>>>> cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>>>>>>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ============================================================
>>>>>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at
>>>>>>>> cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>>>>>>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ============================================================
>>>>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe
>>>>>>> at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>>>>>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ============================================================
>>>>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe
>>>>>>> at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
>>>>>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ============================================================
>>>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>>>>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives,
>>>>>> unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ============================================================
>>>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>>>>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>>>>>> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Nice summary.

BTW: Odd no one suggested simply using Dreamweaver or similar tool. Just plain old fashioned web pages and images up in the cloud work just fine for most folks needing a simple site.

And I think both Mac and Windows have built-in HTML/Site editors, and also hosting of some sort.

-- Owen

On May 21, 2011, at 9:59 AM, David Collins wrote:

> Joomla and Drupal are the leading content management systems other than Wordpress, which has widely been deployed as a CMS though was primarily developed to host "blog" content. In the broadest sense, without facing particular requirements, we can consider the big 3 as a contiuum from easiest to most robust - Wordpress being the easiest and Drupal being the most robust, with Joomla in the middle.
>
> Joomla tends to be favored because it's a true content management system (as opposed to a blogging system) a generally user-friendly admin interface. Drupal is widely preferred for it's modular extensibility. Wordpress might be the best system for users with no development experience. It's often the easiest to install with point-and-click methods, customize in the same manner and to start producing content with no significant learning curve.
>
> For users who deploy non-text content -- e.g. data -- Drupal offers content-creation tools that far surpass the extensibility of either Wordpress or Joomla. Drupal is by far the more developer-oriented system.
>
> With each of these content systems, if you ask a person who primarily markets their service as a specialist in that system, you are likely to hear a strong list of reasons why that system meats all of one's needs. If, instead, you take a particular set of requirements and try to implement them in one system or the other, you are more likely to learn the particular limitations of each system
>
> Drupal, for example, can do almost anything one might require of a typical Web site, but if it is configured with too many modules, one may encounter limits on the capacity of a shared server. I found Drupal better suited to Web-service driven content, for example. There are shopping carts available for each of the systems, but Drupal's carts offer more robust features.
>
> Ultimately, if one were asking the question of "What is the best content management system" one might as well ask "what is the best number." Each of the three systems have the advantage of a large community of developers, which can make them superior to other solutions. In my experience, however, I prefer a system I wrote, which allows more flexible access to html and more granular control of access than Wordpress, without the vast and sometimes perplexing admin interface of Drupal.
>
> Which of the top three is best for a a particular application or for a business model can depend on the familiarity of developers (and designers) with one particular system, and what one wants to do with a particular system.
>
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Speaking of very successful Content Management Systems (Wordpress), what has become of Joomla? http://www.joomla.org/
>
> I ask because the second most popular question (first is blogging) is "How do I make a website easily"?
>
> Wordpress actually works fine for a website -- note SFX uses it. But there was considerable interest in Joomla as well, but I haven't heard much about it lately.
>
> -- Owen
>
> On May 19, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Tyler White wrote:
>
> > Go self-hosted Wordpress blog. No other option comes close at the moment.
> >
> > Tyler White¹
> > http://TylerWhiteDesign.com
> > http://twitter.com/Uberousful
> >
> > On May 19, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
> >
> >> Saul,
> >>
> >> I suppose it depends on whether you have a nerdy brain.
> >>
> >> N
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
> >> Of Saul Caganoff
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:43 AM
> >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?
> >>
> >> "nerdy heart" - is that good or bad?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 19/05/2011, at 2:42 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> My slight experience with WordPress made me feel that it had a nerdy
> >> heart.
> >>> Don't be ashamed to try something that costs a little and doesn't have
> >>> the notion that learning obscure finger-mantras is good for your soul.
> >>>
> >>> But I probably don't know what I am talking about.
> >>>
> >>> Nick
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> >>> Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:28 PM
> >>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> >>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?
> >>>
> >>> Wordpress is indeed pretty sweet. You might also want to check out
> >>> googles I think it's called blogger you may need a google acount to use
> >> it.
> >>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Robert J. Cordingley
> >>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>> Hi Eric
> >>>> WordPress. If you get stuck or need some customizing I can help you.
> >>>> There are tons of plugins for almost anything - very extensible.
> >>>> Robert Cordingley
> >>>> cirrillian.com
> >>>>
> >>>> On 5/17/11 4:56 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey all,
> >>>> Against all my wife's better judgment, I am considering starting a blog.
> >>>> Enough of my professional colleagues have them, and enough
> >>>> interesting stuff seems to be happening on them, that it seems a good
> >>>> idea. I was hoping for some collective wisdom about the pros and cons
> >>>> of different blogging platforms. I do, in theory, have the ability to
> >>>> host it myself, or to use Penn State's in-house system, but my
> >>>> initial inclination is to go with an established entity that makes it
> >>>> easy to do things like track other blogs and track user stats. I'm
> >>>> not even sure what other factors I should care about.
> >>>>
> >>>> Again, any collective wisdom would be appreciated!
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Eric
> >>>>
> >>>> ============================================================
> >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at
> >>>> cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
> >>>> http://www.friam.org
> >>>>
> >>>> ============================================================
> >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at
> >>>> cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
> >>>> http://www.friam.org
> >>>>
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I totally agree. For someone not ever wanting their own hosting site, the big three (wordpress.com, blogger, and google sites) certainly make sense.

Tumblr was new to me and is getting some nice street cred:
http://www.orphicpixel.com/tumblr-vs-wordpress/

Because I *really* would require the ability to move my site from one place to another (maybe no one else cares!), I'd look at:
http://codex.wordpress.org/Importing_Content

But all in all, the only reason *not* to use wordpress is that it sometimes can require you're writing php for themes. But the newer default theme is not the Huge But Ugly Button theme (Kubrick). The plusses of wordpress are pretty overwhelming:
- Easy to import/export
- Easy to self host and convert to self hosting later
- Lots of folks can help you use it
- Gets steadily better every release
- Great support for plugins
- Great update support

-- Owen

On May 21, 2011, at 5:07 PM, David Collins wrote:

> Dreamweaver and plain old HMTL work great, but they require going outside the CMS for such an ubiquitous feature as user comments though cloud-sourced user comments can bridge that gap.
>
> Wordpress has features not found in Dreamweaver including tags, feeds, indexing (with on-page indexes) and a super-accessible admin interface, and much much more in plugins. A big site running on Dreamweaver can become daunting to modify if one hasn't anticipated a good approach for configuring site-wide theme elements.
>
> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Nice summary.
>
> BTW: Odd no one suggested simply using Dreamweaver or similar tool. Just plain old fashioned web pages and images up in the cloud work just fine for most folks needing a simple site.
>
> And I think both Mac and Windows have built-in HTML/Site editors, and also hosting of some sort.
>
> -- Owen

Nick Thompson

Re: [sfx: Discuss] Re: blog recomendations?

Sorry, everybody: When I made my comment about WordPress being nerdy, I was confused.

From: David Collins [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 7:31 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [sfx: Discuss] Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?

It's worth noting that choice of platform can have more impact on social behavior than we might first acknowledge.

Wordpress implies primarily a call-and-response narrative that distinguished between content producers and content users. Readers can contribute, but mostly in the form of response to narrative framed by site editors.

Mediawiki in its basic format invites user-originated content, but does not promote the classic workflow paradigms that have long assured quality publication -- for example, there's no clean, out-of-the-box provision for pre-publication drafts. As a CMS, it's particularly robust, but it was developed to reflect an ideology of openness now embedded in the software. The way the software associates discussion pages with articles presumes content-production discussions to be open. The software can be modded, but out of the box offers no venue for closed or role-limited editorial discussion.

Drupal is more readily configured for granular or even open access to support user contributions to an expanding content base. Drupal could probably be configured to serve as both traditional newsroom workflow management system and a publication platform. But the complexity of the system implies a culture defined by a separation between developers and content contributors. It would take some modular development to allow integration of diverse forms of user-generated data other than text.

Hubzero provides some of all the above, while providing a platform for sharing of high-level scientific models, and a bit of facebook-style social networking. It too implies the availability of a specialized community of developers. It's open source and free for those who can figure it out, but a $50,000 pricetag for hosted access suggests the level of complexity under the hood. It's certainly not plug-and-play like Wordpress and its more complex by an order of magnitude compared to what may be the leading open-source social networking system Elgg.

Each approach has proven to be productive in many ways for various purposes, but the fact remains that choice of content system informs and reflects choices about how we communicate in groups.

--- David

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Victoria Hughes

Re: [sfx: Discuss] Re: blog recomendations?

Good thing we have all clarified by example, eh.

On May 21, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Sorry, everybody: When I made my comment about WordPress being nerdy, I was confused.

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From: David Collins [[hidden email]]
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Subject: Re: [sfx: Discuss] Re: [FRIAM] blog recomendations?

It's worth noting that choice of platform can have more impact on social behavior than we might first acknowledge.

Wordpress implies primarily a call-and-response narrative that distinguished between content producers and content users. Readers can contribute, but mostly in the form of response to narrative framed by site editors.

Mediawiki in its basic format invites user-originated content, but does not promote the classic workflow paradigms that have long assured quality publication -- for example, there's no clean, out-of-the-box provision for pre-publication drafts. As a CMS, it's particularly robust, but it was developed to reflect an ideology of openness now embedded in the software. The way the software associates discussion pages with articles presumes content-production discussions to be open. The software can be modded, but out of the box offers no venue for closed or role-limited editorial discussion.

Drupal is more readily configured for granular or even open access to support user contributions to an expanding content base. Drupal could probably be configured to serve as both traditional newsroom workflow management system and a publication platform. But the complexity of the system implies a culture defined by a separation between developers and content contributors. It would take some modular development to allow integration of diverse forms of user-generated data other than text.

Hubzero provides some of all the above, while providing a platform for sharing of high-level scientific models, and a bit of facebook-style social networking. It too implies the availability of a specialized community of developers. It's open source and free for those who can figure it out, but a $50,000 pricetag for hosted access suggests the level of complexity under the hood. It's certainly not plug-and-play like Wordpress and its more complex by an order of magnitude compared to what may be the leading open-source social networking system Elgg.

Each approach has proven to be productive in many ways for various purposes, but the fact remains that choice of content system informs and reflects choices about how we communicate in groups.

--- David
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
I totally agree. For someone not ever wanting their own hosting site, the big three (wordpress.com, blogger, and google sites) certainly make sense.

Tumblr was new to me and is getting some nice street cred:
http://www.orphicpixel.com/tumblr-vs-wordpress/

Because I *really* would require the ability to move my site from one place to another (maybe no one else cares!), I'd look at:
http://codex.wordpress.org/Importing_Content

But all in all, the only reason *not* to use wordpress is that it sometimes can require you're writing php for themes. But the newer default theme is not the Huge But Ugly Button theme (Kubrick). The plusses of wordpress are pretty overwhelming:
- Easy to import/export
- Easy to self host and convert to self hosting later
- Lots of folks can help you use it
- Gets steadily better every release
- Great support for plugins
- Great update support

-- Owen

On May 21, 2011, at 5:07 PM, David Collins wrote:

> Dreamweaver and plain old HMTL work great, but they require going outside the CMS for such an ubiquitous feature as user comments though cloud-sourced user comments can bridge that gap.
>
> Wordpress has features not found in Dreamweaver including tags, feeds, indexing (with on-page indexes) and a super-accessible admin interface, and much much more in plugins. A big site running on Dreamweaver can become daunting to modify if one hasn't anticipated a good approach for configuring site-wide theme elements.
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> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Nice summary.
>
> BTW: Odd no one suggested simply using Dreamweaver or similar tool. Just plain old fashioned web pages and images up in the cloud work just fine for most folks needing a simple site.
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> And I think both Mac and Windows have built-in HTML/Site editors, and also hosting of some sort.
>
> -- Owen
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