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Prof David West

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what did they do to merit Trump sending them federal troops?

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gepr

Re: albuquerque

That's right. Blame the victim! >8^D

On 7/24/20 6:00 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> what did they do to merit Trump sending them federal troops?

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Angel Edward

Re: albuquerque

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The Bernalillo County sheriff invited them in.

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> On Jul 24, 2020, at 7:00 AM, Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote:
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thompnickson2

Re: albuquerque

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Democratic Governor.

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Steve Smith

Re: albuquerque

In reply to this post by Angel Edward

> The Bernalillo County sheriff invited them in.

I just watched a brief interview with the BC Sheriff.   On one hand he
"sounded" fairly reasonable and talked about "improving relations with
federal agencies to help with the violent crime and gun violence, etc."
and implied that nothing like Portland would happen, but then began to
hmmm and haww (glen's terms) about whether these Federal Agents might
show up at protests.   He stated "Portland is about politics, this is
about violent crime".

When asked about his political affiliations, he claimed Democrat, but
when asked about what D policies he agrees with (or not) he hmmm's and
hawwed again and said he "is not a legislator, but if you want to ask me
questions about law enforcement... yadda yadda" but was immediately
asked if he was going to resign (as requested by many in response to
this move) and he used that opportunity to announce that he was
"planning to run for Mayor".   It seemed odd to claim "I'm just a humble
sheriff with no interest or knowledge of legislation or governance" and
then pivot to 'I think I could run this city well'".

I don't live in ABQ but I have lived very close to the hotbed of (mostly
drug-fueled?) crime in the Espanola Valley area for 40 years and
previously on the border of AZ/MX (albeit before the Peso crashed or the
war on drugs was launched), and I am sympathetic with the challenges of
"honest citizens" and LEO in the face of the kind of crime fueled by
narcotic-trafficking (both the range of altered states of participants
and the huge concentrations of $$ involved).    I'm pretty
Libertarianish when it comes to "illegal" drugs, but having lived near,
and observed how the *traffic* around it is hugely damaging to a
community, I have mixed feelings.   I was never a huge fan of Gary
Johnson as Gov or Pres Candidate but his stance on decriminalization was
a breath of fresh air.

The point is that while I am confident that Trump's public
announcement/deployment to these cities is entirely political, I'm not
sure that everyone who is receptive to that (e.g. BC Sheriff) is
responding politically... it likely exposes their biases, but there is a
good chance the are *also* trying to do their job, just as the Dem
Mayors and Governors he's trying to provoke or disrupt are trying to do
a job (manage a state/city in these very disrupted times).

It is a terrible shame that the political posturing (thrashing?) that DT
is generating causes so much "crack the whip" around the country
(world)... I think if there IS a genius in that thick skull, it is in
managing all the whiplash in a way that froths the public attention
badly enough to allow other things to go unnoticed.

- Steve

>
> __________
>
> Ed Angel
>
> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
>
> 1017 Sierra Pinon
> Santa Fe, NM 87501
> 505-984-0136 (home) [hidden email]
> 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel
>
>> On Jul 24, 2020, at 7:00 AM, Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> what did they do to merit Trump sending them federal troops?
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Gillian Densmore

Re: albuquerque

Simple nothing. Other than being supporter of 45. I knew Abq is having a bit more crime related to desperation from being layd off, and a poor job market. I hadn't realized it escalated to the point of needing to call in federal troopers. Just from quick googling: it didn't' He's trying to get good with 45. Who knows why. 45 only cares about 3 people. 'Me, myself, and 1'

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:26 AM Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The Bernalillo County sheriff invited them in.

I just watched a brief interview with the BC Sheriff.   On one hand he
"sounded" fairly reasonable and talked about "improving relations with
federal agencies to help with the violent crime and gun violence, etc."
and implied that nothing like Portland would happen, but then began to
hmmm and haww (glen's terms) about whether these Federal Agents might
show up at protests.   He stated "Portland is about politics, this is
about violent crime".

When asked about his political affiliations, he claimed Democrat, but
when asked about what D policies he agrees with (or not) he hmmm's and
hawwed again and said he "is not a legislator, but if you want to ask me
questions about law enforcement... yadda yadda" but was immediately
asked if he was going to resign (as requested by many in response to
this move) and he used that opportunity to announce that he was
"planning to run for Mayor".   It seemed odd to claim "I'm just a humble
sheriff with no interest or knowledge of legislation or governance" and
then pivot to 'I think I could run this city well'".

I don't live in ABQ but I have lived very close to the hotbed of (mostly
drug-fueled?) crime in the Espanola Valley area for 40 years and
previously on the border of AZ/MX (albeit before the Peso crashed or the
war on drugs was launched), and I am sympathetic with the challenges of
"honest citizens" and LEO in the face of the kind of crime fueled by
narcotic-trafficking (both the range of altered states of participants
and the huge concentrations of $$ involved).    I'm pretty
Libertarianish when it comes to "illegal" drugs, but having lived near,
and observed how the *traffic* around it is hugely damaging to a
community, I have mixed feelings.   I was never a huge fan of Gary
Johnson as Gov or Pres Candidate but his stance on decriminalization was
a breath of fresh air.

The point is that while I am confident that Trump's public
announcement/deployment to these cities is entirely political, I'm not
sure that everyone who is receptive to that (e.g. BC Sheriff) is
responding politically... it likely exposes their biases, but there is a
good chance the are *also* trying to do their job, just as the Dem
Mayors and Governors he's trying to provoke or disrupt are trying to do
a job (manage a state/city in these very disrupted times).

It is a terrible shame that the political posturing (thrashing?) that DT
is generating causes so much "crack the whip" around the country
(world)... I think if there IS a genius in that thick skull, it is in
managing all the whiplash in a way that froths the public attention
badly enough to allow other things to go unnoticed.

- Steve

>
> __________
>
> Ed Angel
>
> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
>
> 1017 Sierra Pinon
> Santa Fe, NM 87501
> 505-984-0136 (home) [hidden email]
> 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel
>
>> On Jul 24, 2020, at 7:00 AM, Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> what did they do to merit Trump sending them federal troops?
>>
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Edward Angel

Re: albuquerque

It’s not an ABQ problem as much as a Bernalillo sheriff problem. He’s been at odds with the mayor, the council, the governor and the senator for a long time. Among other things he fought body cams for the police.

ABQ has long had a serious problem with the police shooting people. A few years ago the Justice Dept intervened. Perhaps things are getting better but the ABQ police (don’t know about the county sheriffs) have had a large number of vacancies, due in large part to to the low salaries.

Here’s an excerpt from an email from the NM ACLU

"Also this week, we called for the resignation of Sheriff Manuel Gonzales after we learned that he was collaborating with the Trump Administration to send to Albuquerque the same unmarked federal forces that have been terrorizing protestors, reporters, and legal observers in Portland, OR. Beyond this move, Sheriff Gonzales’ out of step policing practices and refusal to adopt body-worn cameras has shown time and time again that he is more interested in his own personal advancement than the safety and well-being of the communities in his care. As you may remember from this time a year ago, three of Sheriff Gonzales’ deputies responded to a mental health call that ended in Elisha Lucero losing her life after being shot 21 times. Rather than investing in our community’s safety with commonsense reforms to improve transparency, accountability, and training for his deputies, Sheriff Gonzales is actively working with the Trump administration to bring militarized federal police to our neighborhoods. It is time for him to make way for a Bernalillo County Sheriff who will stand with our community in a spirit of service, humility, and compassion."

_______________________

Ed Angel

Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon

Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home) [hidden email]

505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel

On Jul 25, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Simple nothing. Other than being supporter of 45. I knew Abq is having a bit more crime related to desperation from being layd off, and a poor job market. I hadn't realized it escalated to the point of needing to call in federal troopers. Just from quick googling: it didn't' He's trying to get good with 45. Who knows why. 45 only cares about 3 people. 'Me, myself, and 1'

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:26 AM Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The Bernalillo County sheriff invited them in.

I just watched a brief interview with the BC Sheriff.   On one hand he
"sounded" fairly reasonable and talked about "improving relations with
federal agencies to help with the violent crime and gun violence, etc."
and implied that nothing like Portland would happen, but then began to
hmmm and haww (glen's terms) about whether these Federal Agents might
show up at protests.   He stated "Portland is about politics, this is
about violent crime".

When asked about his political affiliations, he claimed Democrat, but
when asked about what D policies he agrees with (or not) he hmmm's and
hawwed again and said he "is not a legislator, but if you want to ask me
questions about law enforcement... yadda yadda" but was immediately
asked if he was going to resign (as requested by many in response to
this move) and he used that opportunity to announce that he was
"planning to run for Mayor".   It seemed odd to claim "I'm just a humble
sheriff with no interest or knowledge of legislation or governance" and
then pivot to 'I think I could run this city well'".

I don't live in ABQ but I have lived very close to the hotbed of (mostly
drug-fueled?) crime in the Espanola Valley area for 40 years and
previously on the border of AZ/MX (albeit before the Peso crashed or the
war on drugs was launched), and I am sympathetic with the challenges of
"honest citizens" and LEO in the face of the kind of crime fueled by
narcotic-trafficking (both the range of altered states of participants
and the huge concentrations of $$ involved).    I'm pretty
Libertarianish when it comes to "illegal" drugs, but having lived near,
and observed how the *traffic* around it is hugely damaging to a
community, I have mixed feelings.   I was never a huge fan of Gary
Johnson as Gov or Pres Candidate but his stance on decriminalization was
a breath of fresh air.

The point is that while I am confident that Trump's public
announcement/deployment to these cities is entirely political, I'm not
sure that everyone who is receptive to that (e.g. BC Sheriff) is
responding politically... it likely exposes their biases, but there is a
good chance the are *also* trying to do their job, just as the Dem
Mayors and Governors he's trying to provoke or disrupt are trying to do
a job (manage a state/city in these very disrupted times).

It is a terrible shame that the political posturing (thrashing?) that DT
is generating causes so much "crack the whip" around the country
(world)... I think if there IS a genius in that thick skull, it is in
managing all the whiplash in a way that froths the public attention
badly enough to allow other things to go unnoticed.

- Steve

>
> __________
>
> Ed Angel
>
> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
>
> 1017 Sierra Pinon
> Santa Fe, NM 87501
> 505-984-0136 (home) [hidden email]
> 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel
>
>> On Jul 24, 2020, at 7:00 AM, Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> what did they do to merit Trump sending them federal troops?
>>
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