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Gillian Densmore

Yearly rant about this daylight savings stuff

Rant:

Why do we change around the clock?

From google searches, the US is one of the few countries left that does this ritual.

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Steve Smith

Re: Yearly rant about this daylight savings stuff

Gil wrote:

Rant:

Why do we change around the clock?

From google searches, the US is one of the few countries left that does this ritual.

Here is what I found:

Blue and Orange follows Daylight Savings Time rituals, Light Gray have "reformed" from it, Dark grey have abstained (forever?). Most of the "developed" world seems to continue the habit.

Having lived in AZ, I have some sense of the history there, including the "notch" of the Navajo Nation which follows NM time (their capitol Window Rock being in NM). I was unaware of the Canadian and the Sonoran abstinence. Mongolia and Iran are mild surprises. I thought *all* of Aus went with DST. Having friends in Melbourne, I am always frustrated by the "double shuffle" that occurs twice a year since we are out of sync as well as out of phase, so we range from being 0-2 hours off of "longitudinal" clock differences depending on time of year... for 4 distinct periods of difference!

As much as *I* don't live by a clock, I am still effected by the shifts... I wish we could (all) stay on a single plan, preferably with the sun straight overhead at noon.

Gillian Densmore

Re: Yearly rant about this daylight savings stuff

Sure agreeing how to meet and when is handy. But I genuinly don't get the the daylight savings thing.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gil wrote:

Rant:

Why do we change around the clock?

From google searches, the US is one of the few countries left that does this ritual.

Here is what I found:

Blue and Orange follows Daylight Savings Time rituals, Light Gray have "reformed" from it, Dark grey have abstained (forever?). Most of the "developed" world seems to continue the habit.

Having lived in AZ, I have some sense of the history there, including the "notch" of the Navajo Nation which follows NM time (their capitol Window Rock being in NM). I was unaware of the Canadian and the Sonoran abstinence. Mongolia and Iran are mild surprises. I thought *all* of Aus went with DST. Having friends in Melbourne, I am always frustrated by the "double shuffle" that occurs twice a year since we are out of sync as well as out of phase, so we range from being 0-2 hours off of "longitudinal" clock differences depending on time of year... for 4 distinct periods of difference!

As much as *I* don't live by a clock, I am still effected by the shifts... I wish we could (all) stay on a single plan, preferably with the sun straight overhead at noon.

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Owen Densmore

Re: Yearly rant about this daylight savings stuff

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Well, not too long ago either, there were not time zones, but much smaller time areas .. aiming for noon = sun overhead. I got that from reading british detective stories where the watch of the murder victim is carefully observed to find out where & when he died.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sure agreeing how to meet and when is handy. But I genuinly don't get the the daylight savings thing.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gil wrote:

Rant:

Why do we change around the clock?

From google searches, the US is one of the few countries left that does this ritual.

Here is what I found:

Blue and Orange follows Daylight Savings Time rituals, Light Gray have "reformed" from it, Dark grey have abstained (forever?). Most of the "developed" world seems to continue the habit.

Having lived in AZ, I have some sense of the history there, including the "notch" of the Navajo Nation which follows NM time (their capitol Window Rock being in NM). I was unaware of the Canadian and the Sonoran abstinence. Mongolia and Iran are mild surprises. I thought *all* of Aus went with DST. Having friends in Melbourne, I am always frustrated by the "double shuffle" that occurs twice a year since we are out of sync as well as out of phase, so we range from being 0-2 hours off of "longitudinal" clock differences depending on time of year... for 4 distinct periods of difference!

As much as *I* don't live by a clock, I am still effected by the shifts... I wish we could (all) stay on a single plan, preferably with the sun straight overhead at noon.

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Owen Densmore

Re: Yearly rant about this daylight savings stuff

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Another real world example: Our skype Italian lessons always hit a bump because Italy does not change their clocks when we do! Even worse!

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well, not too long ago either, there were not time zones, but much smaller time areas .. aiming for noon = sun overhead. I got that from reading british detective stories where the watch of the murder victim is carefully observed to find out where & when he died.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sure agreeing how to meet and when is handy. But I genuinly don't get the the daylight savings thing.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gil wrote:

Rant:

Why do we change around the clock?

From google searches, the US is one of the few countries left that does this ritual.

Here is what I found:

Blue and Orange follows Daylight Savings Time rituals, Light Gray have "reformed" from it, Dark grey have abstained (forever?). Most of the "developed" world seems to continue the habit.

Having lived in AZ, I have some sense of the history there, including the "notch" of the Navajo Nation which follows NM time (their capitol Window Rock being in NM). I was unaware of the Canadian and the Sonoran abstinence. Mongolia and Iran are mild surprises. I thought *all* of Aus went with DST. Having friends in Melbourne, I am always frustrated by the "double shuffle" that occurs twice a year since we are out of sync as well as out of phase, so we range from being 0-2 hours off of "longitudinal" clock differences depending on time of year... for 4 distinct periods of difference!

As much as *I* don't live by a clock, I am still effected by the shifts... I wish we could (all) stay on a single plan, preferably with the sun straight overhead at noon.

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Yearly rant about this daylight savings stuff

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/opinion/sunday/time-to-dump-time-zones.html?ref=opinion

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
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To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Yearly rant about this daylight savings stuff

Another real world example: Our skype Italian lessons always hit a bump because Italy does not change their clocks when we do! Even worse!

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well, not too long ago either, there were not time zones, but much smaller time areas .. aiming for noon = sun overhead. I got that from reading british detective stories where the watch of the murder victim is carefully observed to find out where & when he died.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sure agreeing how to meet and when is handy. But I genuinly don't get the the daylight savings thing.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gil wrote:

Rant:

Why do we change around the clock?

From google searches, the US is one of the few countries left that does this ritual.

Here is what I found:

Blue and Orange follows Daylight Savings Time rituals, Light Gray have "reformed" from it, Dark grey have abstained (forever?). Most of the "developed" world seems to continue the habit.

Having lived in AZ, I have some sense of the history there, including the "notch" of the Navajo Nation which follows NM time (their capitol Window Rock being in NM). I was unaware of the Canadian and the Sonoran abstinence. Mongolia and Iran are mild surprises. I thought *all* of Aus went with DST. Having friends in Melbourne, I am always frustrated by the "double shuffle" that occurs twice a year since we are out of sync as well as out of phase, so we range from being 0-2 hours off of "longitudinal" clock differences depending on time of year... for 4 distinct periods of difference!

As much as *I* don't live by a clock, I am still effected by the shifts... I wish we could (all) stay on a single plan, preferably with the sun straight overhead at noon.

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Nick Thompson

Re: Yearly rant about this daylight savings stuff

In reply to this post by Steve Smith

All:

As you will see below, my cousin, Calvin, agrees about the high cost of saving daylight.

Since retirement, we Thompsons reset our clocks and just keep on living as we have been, doing things an hour earlier on the clock. Eventually it catches up with us, but for a while, we still have the long afternoons.

Please Scroll down.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 7:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Yearly rant about this daylight savings stuff

Gil wrote:

Rant:
Why do we change around the clock?

From google searches, the US is one of the few countries left that does this ritual.

Here is what I found:

Blue and Orange follows Daylight Savings Time rituals, Light Gray have "reformed" from it, Dark grey have abstained (forever?). Most of the "developed" world seems to continue the habit.

As much as *I* don't live by a clock, I am still effected by the shifts... I wish we could (all) stay on a single plan, preferably with the sun straight overhead at noon.

gepr

Re: Yearly rant about this daylight savings stuff

I enjoy it. It's like losing a $20 bill in the spring, then finding it in your coat pocket in the fall.

On November 5, 2016 11:03:41 PM PDT, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>Since retirement, we Thompsons reset our clocks and just keep on living
>as
>we have been, doing things an hour earlier on the clock. Eventually it
>catches up with us, but for a while, we still have the long afternoons.

--
glen

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uǝʃƃ ⊥ glen

Steve Smith

Re: Yearly rant about this daylight savings stuff

> I enjoy it. It's like losing a $20 bill in the spring, then finding it in your coat pocket in the fall.
My mother ran a fun scam on my sister and I at Christmas for a number of
years before we saw through it, which of course ruined the magic of it.

When we would break out the Xmas decorations in December, she would
"discover" that each of our stockings still had a small but fun present
in the toe that we had "overlooked" the year before.

I also like Calvin's "Daylight Savoring Time". Thank you for sharing Nick.

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