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Hi, My Dell Studio (yeah, yeah, save the Mac cracks) has been cranky of late, particularly when streaming stuff, and since I am reluctant to put out a couple of hundred dollars to have it “tuned up”, I have been trying to see what I can do on my own. This has led me to the resource monitor, a truly fascinating little gizmo, a couple of levels down in the Task Manager. The help files that are attached to it are pretty lean, and I was wondering if someone knew of a “Resource Monitor for Idiots” source. One thing that I immediately learned which was STUNNING was that mac I-tunes has a chum that it loads called AppleRemoteDevicesManager.exe which grabs 25 percent of your resources off the top and doesn’t let go unless you whack it over the head with a brick. It’s purpose is to manage your relationship with your mobile devices, but relentlessly demands resources even though you don’t have any mobile devices. I think of it as essentially an Apple Trojan. (Ok, now, you can make Mac-cracks). Thanks, Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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How about Trojan cracks? Sounds like rich earth, ripe for tilling. Merle, what are your thoughts? On Feb 6, 2013 8:34 PM, "Nicholas Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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HEY! This my thread and the price of admission is actually being helpful with the problem. Please don’t jam this channel. After you have said something helpful, THEN you can be ribald. n From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts How about Trojan cracks? Sounds like rich earth, ripe for tilling. Merle, what are your thoughts? On Feb 6, 2013 8:34 PM, "Nicholas Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi, My Dell Studio (yeah, yeah, save the Mac cracks) has been cranky of late, particularly when streaming stuff, and since I am reluctant to put out a couple of hundred dollars to have it “tuned up”, I have been trying to see what I can do on my own. This has led me to the resource monitor, a truly fascinating little gizmo, a couple of levels down in the Task Manager. The help files that are attached to it are pretty lean, and I was wondering if someone knew of a “Resource Monitor for Idiots” source. One thing that I immediately learned which was STUNNING was that mac I-tunes has a chum that it loads called AppleRemoteDevicesManager.exe which grabs 25 percent of your resources off the top and doesn’t let go unless you whack it over the head with a brick. It’s purpose is to manage your relationship with your mobile devices, but relentlessly demands resources even though you don’t have any mobile devices. I think of it as essentially an Apple Trojan. (Ok, now, you can make Mac-cracks). Thanks, Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
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Help someone who relies on Dell? Can't be done, my friend. On Feb 6, 2013 8:48 PM, "Nicholas Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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BUT, I do have a bridge I'd consider selling... On Feb 6, 2013 8:52 PM, "Douglas Roberts" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Nick it sounds like you are on the right track.
I would look at the RAM (memory) consumption first. If you can avoid filling it up, thus causing your computer to swap to disk, your computer will probably run a lot better. Easier said than done! But finding these background tasks that you don't need and uninstalling/disabling them is worth it to keep your computer running a little longer. Also reading your email on the command line will help… But I wouldn't recommend it, you'll miss all the sight gags. :) --joshua On Feb 6, 2013, at 8:53 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
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Nick
What flavour/version of Windows are you running and how much RAM do you have installed?. Try Ctr-Alt-Del and see if a Task Manager pops up. If so, click on "Processes".
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Hey, Nick. I wasn't being frivolous, I was very serious. We struggle with re-languaging tired old concepts along with the arcane jargon of complexity that you guys are masters at. Because what we're selling is so out of the box (WHAT? We're going to sit down at the negotiating table without an agenda?!), I take a special delight in discovering old words that can be used in new and captivating ways. And you already know I appreciate you.
And Friam dear, or Douglas dear--you should be ashamed of yourselves if you're older than 14. On Feb 6, 2013, at 8:48 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > HEY! > This my thread and the price of admission is actually being helpful with the problem. Please don’t jam this channel. > > After you have said something helpful, THEN you can be ribald. > > n > > From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:39 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Windows Resource Monitor > > How about Trojan cracks? Sounds like rich earth, ripe for tilling. > > Merle, what are your thoughts? > > On Feb 6, 2013 8:34 PM, "Nicholas Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi, > > My Dell Studio (yeah, yeah, save the Mac cracks) has been cranky of late, particularly when streaming stuff, and since I am reluctant to put out a couple of hundred dollars to have it “tuned up”, I have been trying to see what I can do on my own. This has led me to the resource monitor, a truly fascinating little gizmo, a couple of levels down in the Task Manager. The help files that are attached to it are pretty lean, and I was wondering if someone knew of a “Resource Monitor for Idiots” source. > > One thing that I immediately learned which was STUNNING was that mac I-tunes has a chum that it loads called AppleRemoteDevicesManager.exe which grabs 25 percent of your resources off the top and doesn’t let go unless you whack it over the head with a brick. It’s purpose is to manage your relationship with your mobile devices, but relentlessly demands resources even though you don’t have any mobile devices. I think of it as essentially an Apple Trojan. (Ok, now, you can make Mac-cracks). > > Thanks, > > Nick > > Nicholas S. Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > http://www.cusf.org > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Agree completely, Merle. Except, now that you mention it: 14 was an extraordinarily good year. On Feb 6, 2013 9:33 PM, "Merle Lefkoff" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Not sure I quite understand the situation, but CCleaner has a utility to look at the StartUp folder (where startups come from, of course) and the registry to see what is being run at startup, and removing these insures that you have to muck around with Task Manager > Processes less. Of course, some applications just change this back again when they are run, but on the other hand some applications will not allow you to kill them at the process or application level (AVG, for instance. Why I now have only ClamWin and Piriform scanners. I had to delete what I could of the AVG program files over several reboots to get rid of it).
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Thanks for all your suggestions. Most I actually understood, for which I am enormously grateful. I have the habit of burying my most important question under a lot of verbal rubble, so I want to ask it again in case you missed it. Is there any guide to the Resource Monitor that is more forthcoming than the help files that come with it? Stuff like what the various charts and graphs and numbers are telling me. N From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Arlo Barnes Not sure I quite understand the situation, but CCleaner has a utility to look at the StartUp folder (where startups come from, of course) and the registry to see what is being run at startup, and removing these insures that you have to muck around with Task Manager > Processes less. Of course, some applications just change this back again when they are run, but on the other hand some applications will not allow you to kill them at the process or application level (AVG, for instance. Why I now have only ClamWin and Piriform scanners. I had to delete what I could of the AVG program files over several reboots to get rid of it). ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Nick: did you google:
how to use the windows resource monitor
.. it turned up lots and lots of info. However, the classic solution to a clean machine is to literally start over: wipe the disk *after* making a complete copy of its contents to a cheap disk, and drag stuff back aboard as you need it.
This is augmented by Dropbox: if you don't have it now, you may want to consider it as a backup of your working stuff, stuff that you can't replace from other sources and is data you actually created. It also makes it trivial to see/work on the files from any of several computers.
Then the "lets start over" approach is much much easier. Clean system with one folder of your working repository.
I'm always amazed just how zippy a new system is.
I keep a log of all installs I do, you may start doing that .. it makes it easy to know what you may need to reinstall if you go the clean install route. And what may need removing 'cause you don't use it anymore.
-- Owen
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Thanks owen. I did lots of stuff LIKE that, but may not have recognized a helping hand when it was proffered. With your reassurance I will plunge back in. The response to this inquiry has led me wonder some wonderings about the folks on the list. Is it the case that: (1) I am the only person on this list that owns a PC (2) I am the only person on this list that owns a PC who has had this sort of problem (=”resource leakage”?). (3) I am the only person on this list that owns a PC who is too cheap to pay the 200 bucks to get it fixed by an expert. (4) I am the only person on this list that owns a PC who is too cheap to pay the 200 bucks to get it fixed by an expert and who also too dumb to know how to use the resource monitor to fix it, myself. N From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Nick: did you google: how to use the windows resource monitor .. it turned up lots and lots of info. However, the classic solution to a clean machine is to literally start over: wipe the disk *after* making a complete copy of its contents to a cheap disk, and drag stuff back aboard as you need it. This is augmented by Dropbox: if you don't have it now, you may want to consider it as a backup of your working stuff, stuff that you can't replace from other sources and is data you actually created. It also makes it trivial to see/work on the files from any of several computers. Then the "lets start over" approach is much much easier. Clean system with one folder of your working repository. I'm always amazed just how zippy a new system is. I keep a log of all installs I do, you may start doing that .. it makes it easy to know what you may need to reinstall if you go the clean install route. And what may need removing 'cause you don't use it anymore. -- Owen On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote: Thanks for all your suggestions. Most I actually understood, for which I am enormously grateful. I have the habit of burying my most important question under a lot of verbal rubble, so I want to ask it again in case you missed it. Is there any guide to the Resource Monitor that is more forthcoming than the help files that come with it? Stuff like what the various charts and graphs and numbers are telling me. N ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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<base href="x-msg://1664/">Nick,
Are you still in Santa Fe? I'm not, but if I was, I would help out in person at the next WedTech (hint for those who are there in Santa Fe). Surely your buddies wouldn't charge you $200 for a bit of hands-on help (I'd do it for a cup of coffee :-) Gary On Feb 7, 2013, at 2:57 PM, "Nicholas Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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In my case, Nick, I am a person who doesn't do Windows. Linux, baby. But that does not mean I am not fascinated by the tribulations of those who do, because I am, in much the same way as being unable to take my eyes off of a train wreck.
So the lack of response from me is thus explained. --Doug On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
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1) I use a PC, because I am cheap and lazy. 2) This sort of thing is a ubiquitous problem on PCs, and is sometimes a problem for Macs depending the exact operating system (but I've never seen it as bad on a Mac as it usually is on a PC). 3) I would be suspicious of a store-bought expert helping with this... and as has been suggested, an expert friend should be cheaper (though not necessarily free, as it is time consuming). 4) I know how to use the resource monitor, and often find that it is not telling me what I want to know. The long list of Processes often does not seem to account for what the Performance screen tells me is the CPU Usage and Physical Memory Usage. I've never really figured out why this discrepancy occurs... but I haven't tried hard to find out. It is certainly annoying. As suggested, a complete wipe will fix the problem. I have rarely done this... but usually am thinking about getting a new computer at about the time the problem is annoying enough that I would consider a wipe... and switching to a new computer is pretty much the same thing as wiping the old one. If you do not use too many programs, a wipe might be relatively easy. Also worth noting: Depending on your computing needs, $200 is a significant fraction of the cost of a new machine. Eric -------- Eric Charles Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State, Altoona From: "Nicholas Thompson" <[hidden email]> To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 2:57:32 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Windows Resource Monitor Thanks owen. I did lots of stuff LIKE that, but may not have recognized a helping hand when it was proffered. With your reassurance I will plunge back in.
The response to this inquiry has led me wonder some wonderings about the folks on the list. Is it the case that:
(1) I am the only person on this list that owns a PC (2) I am the only person on this list that owns a PC who has had this sort of problem (=”resource leakage”?). (3) I am the only person on this list that owns a PC who is too cheap to pay the 200 bucks to get it fixed by an expert. (4) I am the only person on this list that owns a PC who is too cheap to pay the 200 bucks to get it fixed by an expert and who also too dumb to know how to use the resource monitor to fix it, myself.
N From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Nick: did you google: how to use the windows resource monitor .. it turned up lots and lots of info.
However, the classic solution to a clean machine is to literally start over: wipe the disk *after* making a complete copy of its contents to a cheap disk, and drag stuff back aboard as you need it.
This is augmented by Dropbox: if you don't have it now, you may want to consider it as a backup of your working stuff, stuff that you can't replace from other sources and is data you actually created. It also makes it trivial to see/work on the files from any of several computers.
Then the "lets start over" approach is much much easier. Clean system with one folder of your working repository.
I'm always amazed just how zippy a new system is.
I keep a log of all installs I do, you may start doing that .. it makes it easy to know what you may need to reinstall if you go the clean install route. And what may need removing 'cause you don't use it anymore.
-- Owen On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote: Thanks for all your suggestions. Most I actually understood, for which I am enormously grateful.
I have the habit of burying my most important question under a lot of verbal rubble, so I want to ask it again in case you missed it. Is there any guide to the Resource Monitor that is more forthcoming than the help files that come with it? Stuff like what the various charts and graphs and numbers are telling me.
N
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Gary, No body has offered because I haven’t asked. When I worked in a university, we were all neophytes with this stuff – “citizens” is the term Owen uses – and we would trade information all the time, and each of us would get good at some things. I got good at macros, for instance. For a while, I had a library of macros that would automatically put a comment I in a student’s paper that described almost any writing error and provide a few examples for how to fix it. Things like, “When to use Which and when to use That.” Here, I don’t have much to trade, so I wouldn’t ask unless my back was really to the wall, and 200 dollars every few years cannot be conceived of as having one’s back against the wall. In short, I confine myself to asking people to point me in the right direction, which somebody ALWAYS does. The problem is usually that I have gotten frustrated and I can’t think, and the solution usually right before my eyes if only somebody will point it out. And they do. Sometimes after grumbling, which is fair enough. In the present case, somebody has directed me to a toggle that strips all of the eye-candy out of win7 and leaves me with a much more readable, predictable display. I only wish I had asked for advice three years ago when I bought the machine. Is my memory correct: you are in Peru. Watching birds, among other things? If you ever make your way back, I will buy the coffee. Even if my computer is fast as light. Nick From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz Nick, Are you still in Santa Fe? I'm not, but if I was, I would help out in person at the next WedTech (hint for those who are there in Santa Fe). Surely your buddies wouldn't charge you $200 for a bit of hands-on help (I'd do it for a cup of coffee :-) Gary On Feb 7, 2013, at 2:57 PM, "Nicholas Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote: Thanks owen. I did lots of stuff LIKE that, but may not have recognized a helping hand when it was proffered. With your reassurance I will plunge back in. The response to this inquiry has led me wonder some wonderings about the folks on the list. Is it the case that: (1) I am the only person on this list that owns a PC (2) I am the only person on this list that owns a PC who has had this sort of problem (=”resource leakage”?). (3) I am the only person on this list that owns a PC who is too cheap to pay the 200 bucks to get it fixed by an expert. (4) I am the only person on this list that owns a PC who is too cheap to pay the 200 bucks to get it fixed by an expert and who also too dumb to know how to use the resource monitor to fix it, myself. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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For what it's worth, I'll mention that my primary machine is Windows, but I routinely check the behavior of my projects VPython (vpython.org) and GlowScript (glowscript.org) on Mac and Ubuntu Linux. Because it's so common for knowledgeable people to do Windows-bashing, I'll comment that in my efforts over the last 12 years to make VPython work well on all three major platforms, it is Mac and Ubuntu Linux that have regularly broken things with their updates, whereas Windows has maintained backward compatibilty during this entire period, across several major operating system releases.
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Interesting, but the big difference here would be that Mac and Linux come with python installed where windows doesn't. So updating windows isn't likely to have as big an impact, since presumably you are including python in you windows installer and not in you mac or linux one. Or am I wrong?
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