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What if faster firing tightened a brain's coupling to its environment, rather than loosening it? That would suggest that brains with fast neurons would be _less_ tolerant of ambiguity, not more. One couldn't think deeply about anything because the environment would keep you locked in a kind of stimulus-response cage ... a slave of your own fast firing neurons. On 05/08/2017 08:45 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > A fun fact that I ran across last week: A superconducting neuron made of Josephson Junctions could be 7 orders of magnitude faster than those in the human central nervous system. Being superconducting there would be no heat, and the possibility of deep 3d integration. > > Of course, lithography won't be adaptive unless it is way overbuilt and then trimmed-down. That would be one data point in favor of the adaption being more important than deep skill. -- ☣ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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At some point, wouldn't we enter David Deutsch (or Neal Stephenson) territory? ... where the idea is that the computation in our nervous system is mappable to the computation going on around us. If consciousness isn't compressible because it's an artifact of that mapping, then faster neurons wouldn't make us more rational in any sense. But it may give us super powers ... like running really fast ... or deriving nutrition from eating grass or maybe seeing a wider spectrum of color, etc. But it wouldn't necessarily change our intent or purposeful, self-references. I suppose we could also invoke Buzsáki or the like, as well... that the larger ("beat") frequencies of collections of neurons may not change even if the individual neurons' rate does change. And then there's the extra-neural computation, as well, including glial cells and glucose across the BBB. The success of your Josephson Junction ANN would become a question of the power generation and distribution, regardless of the computational question of whether the high-dimensional, multi-rate (chemical) space can be reduced to electrical signals. (I wouldn't have gone here if I weren't currently in the throes of a massive headache. [sigh] Will robots get headaches?) On 05/08/2017 12:31 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Seems to me there's a question of dynamic range, temporally speaking. In classical computers, that is dealt with by separating exponents and mantissas as in floating point arithmetic. If everything compresses by 7 order of magnitude, then perhaps it would just be a matter of adding 7 more digits (e.g. bits) of precision to the exponent. Then it would be faster and cover the relevant part of the dynamic range of the environment. -- ☣ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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I KNOW!
That was such a compelling feeling... The robot's *apparent* long-suffering patience added to its anthropomorphic features in making me want to imagine it to have more "humanity" than it possibly could. Taking the hockey stick away from his tormentor or giving him a good smackdown would seem to be an important part of "problem solving" in this case. One might suggest "intelligence is in the eyes of the beholder"? It *does* feel as if OUR estimate of intelligence might involve how our mirror neurons are activated. On 5/8/17 10:23 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > I guess a measure of how life-like it is, is how much you are waiting for the robot to haul off and smack the guy with the hockey stick. Some kind of mirror neuron thing, maybe. > >> On May 9, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Glen writes: >> >> "At some point, wouldn't we enter David Deutsch (or Neal Stephenson) territory? ... where the idea is that the computation in our nervous system is mappable to the computation going on around us" >> >> While Boston Dynamics has remarkable capabilities, or a Tesla driving itself, it still doesn’t compare to my dog chasing down a rabbit. Once they are matched, then it seems like that mapping has been modeled adequately. >> >> Marcus >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Of course I have no idea what's happened since 1984. It's probably proprietary. Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On May 8, 2017 10:47 PM, "Marcus Daniels" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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