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Nick Thompson

Where was I when this was happening?

JeeeZ. And to think they almost did this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_Works_Act

Did everybody but me know about this?

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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Roger Critchlow-2

Re: Where was I when this was happening?

I think that you knew about it, Owen posted back at the beginning of 2012:

Timothy Gowers the Fields medalist mathematician has a recent post on Elsevier and a growing movement to boycott their use

http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/elsevier-my-part-in-its-downfall/

This includes not submitting to the VERY MANY math journals owned by Elsevier:
http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/P11.cws_home/mathjournals

.. or reviewing submissions
Timothy Gowers' boycott of Elsevier came up on the list before, it was motivated by Elsevier's support for that very bill, you responded on the thread.

That boycott was inspired by the political contributions Elsevier made to buy the passage of the Research Works Act. Most of the rest of the thread, which you participated in, discussed the costs of publishing without ever mentioning Elsevier's lobbying costs.

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

JeeeZ. And to think they almost did this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_Works_Act

Did everybody but me know about this?

N

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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Nick Thompson

Re: Where was I when this was happening?

Roger,

Thanks for your response. I do remember the Gower thing, and found it quite inspiring at the time, but I think I separated it from the Darrell Issa thing. Gawd that man is a plague.

As to the broader issue, have you had any truck with Research Gate? I ignored it for a while, and then got lured in by its promise of making publications available. Is Research Gate possibly a way to break the grip of publishers? I wouldn’t mind if the amounts they charge were in any way proportional to the effort they put in, but 30 bucks for a glimpse of an article concerning which they have done nothing, is just absurd. RG is trying to get people to archive their own stuff with them, so when the publishers begin suing, they will have to sue a lot of people and the individuals suits won’t be worth much. Damages very hard to prove. It’s kind of the reverse of a class action suit.

Anyway, thanks again for your answer.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:57 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Where was I when this was happening?

I think that you knew about it, Owen posted back at the beginning of 2012:

Timothy Gowers the Fields medalist mathematician has a recent post on Elsevier and a growing movement to boycott their use
http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/elsevier-my-part-in-its-downfall/

This includes not submitting to the VERY MANY math journals owned by Elsevier:
http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/P11.cws_home/mathjournals
.. or reviewing submissions
Timothy Gowers' boycott of Elsevier came up on the list before, it was motivated by Elsevier's support for that very bill, you responded on the thread.

-- rec --

On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

JeeeZ. And to think they almost did this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_Works_Act

Did everybody but me know about this?

N

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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Jochen Fromm-5

Re: Where was I when this was happening?

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

ResearchGate is a startup from Berlin, they try to make a Facebook for scientists. Bill Gates has invested in the company, as far as I know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResearchGate

-J.

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-------- Original message --------

From: Nick Thompson

Date:30/12/2013 07:41 (GMT+01:00)

To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Where was I when this was happening?

Roger,

Thanks for your response. I do remember the Gower thing, and found it quite inspiring at the time, but I think I separated it from the Darrell Issa thing. Gawd that man is a plague.

Anyway, thanks again for your answer.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

I think that you knew about it, Owen posted back at the beginning of 2012:

Timothy Gowers the Fields medalist mathematician has a recent post on Elsevier and a growing movement to boycott their use
http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/elsevier-my-part-in-its-downfall/

This includes not submitting to the VERY MANY math journals owned by Elsevier:
http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/P11.cws_home/mathjournals
.. or reviewing submissions
Timothy Gowers' boycott of Elsevier came up on the list before, it was motivated by Elsevier's support for that very bill, you responded on the thread.

-- rec --

On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

JeeeZ. And to think they almost did this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_Works_Act

Did everybody but me know about this?

N

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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Steve Smith

Re: Where was I when this was happening?

On 12/30/13 2:39 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:

ResearchGate is a startup from Berlin, they try to make a Facebook for scientists. Bill Gates has invested in the company, as far as I know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResearchGate

This looks a lot like our own Marko Rodriguez's (now-defunct) startup "Knowledge Reef"... I don't believe Marko is on our mail list (Marko?) but I'm pretty sure he still lives just down the road from me. Josh or Stephen may know?

While his core interest is in Graph theory/modeling/DBs and the Web of Data, etc... Knowledge Reef was originally Conceived to cover a lot of the space that ResearchGate is trying to now... perhaps if Gates had invested in K-Reef?

Marko's Titan, Faunus, TinkerPop are all interesting tools to check out if you are in the graph DB/Analytics business.

-J.

Sent from Android

-------- Original message --------

From: Nick Thompson

Date:30/12/2013 07:41 (GMT+01:00)

To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Where was I when this was happening?

Roger,

Thanks for your response. I do remember the Gower thing, and found it quite inspiring at the time, but I think I separated it from the Darrell Issa thing. Gawd that man is a plague.

As to the broader issue, have you had any truck with Research Gate? I ignored it for a while, and then got lured in by its promise of making publications available. Is Research Gate possibly a way to break the grip of publishers? I wouldn’t mind if the amounts they charge were in any way proportional to the effort they put in, but 30 bucks for a glimpse of an article concerning which they have done nothing, is just absurd. RG is trying to get people to archive their own stuff with them, so when the publishers begin suing, they will have to sue a lot of people and the individuals suits won’t be worth much. Damages very hard to prove. It’s kind of the reverse of a class action suit.

Anyway, thanks again for your answer.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:57 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Where was I when this was happening?

I think that you knew about it, Owen posted back at the beginning of 2012:

Timothy Gowers the Fields medalist mathematician has a recent post on Elsevier and a growing movement to boycott their use

http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/elsevier-my-part-in-its-downfall/

This includes not submitting to the VERY MANY math journals owned by Elsevier:

http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/P11.cws_home/mathjournals

.. or reviewing submissions

Timothy Gowers' boycott of Elsevier came up on the list before, it was motivated by Elsevier's support for that very bill, you responded on the thread.

That boycott was inspired by the political contributions Elsevier made to buy the passage of the Research Works Act. Most of the rest of the thread, which you participated in, discussed the costs of publishing without ever mentioning Elsevier's lobbying costs.

-- rec --

On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

JeeeZ. And to think they almost did this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_Works_Act

Did everybody but me know about this?

N

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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