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Good article.

http://tinyurl.com/9yzcr

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Boy did he nail it!  And I love the software carpentry page.

His emphasis on the parts of software methodology outside of language  
was particularly refreshing.  Unit testing, CVS (likened to a lab  
book!), performance analysis, readability, and so on.

     -- Owen

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On Jan 3, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Good article.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9yzcr
>
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Russell Standish
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Russell Standish
I second that. In fact I  noticed it to be so much of a problem, that
when I was given the job a few years ago of teaching computational
science to 3rd and 4th years students, I added bash shell programming,
Makefiles, emacs, symbolic debuggers and profilers to the usual mix of
parallel programming topics. I even had to add an overview of Fortran
90 and C++ languages - most people only knew a 10th of what these
languages had to offer, hence "spaghetti" programs were still being
written.

I didn't talk about version control, but I've been using it myself for
about 4 years, and informally recommend it to any reasonably
significant sized project (ie >10000 lines of code). I personally use
Aegis over CVS, but this is bit like arguing the difference between a
ball-peined and a claw hammer to someone used to using stone axes all
their lives...

There is also the issue of scriptable development environments such as
EcoLab, but that's a whole other story...

Cheers

On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 11:29:26AM -0700, Owen Densmore wrote:

> Boy did he nail it!  And I love the software carpentry page.
>
> His emphasis on the parts of software methodology outside of language  
> was particularly refreshing.  Unit testing, CVS (likened to a lab  
> book!), performance analysis, readability, and so on.
>
>      -- Owen
>
> Owen Densmore
> http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
> > Good article.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/9yzcr
> >
> > --
> > Doug Roberts
> > 505-455-7333 - Office
> > 505-670-8195 - Cell
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

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Giles Bowkett
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Giles Bowkett
There's a good book on implementing these practices called "Ship It!"
from the Pragmatic Programmers' series. Also useful for bringing
sanity, efficiency, and good structure to legacy codebases.

On 1/3/06, Russell Standish <r.standish at unsw.edu.au> wrote:

> I second that. In fact I  noticed it to be so much of a problem, that
> when I was given the job a few years ago of teaching computational
> science to 3rd and 4th years students, I added bash shell programming,
> Makefiles, emacs, symbolic debuggers and profilers to the usual mix of
> parallel programming topics. I even had to add an overview of Fortran
> 90 and C++ languages - most people only knew a 10th of what these
> languages had to offer, hence "spaghetti" programs were still being
> written.
>
> I didn't talk about version control, but I've been using it myself for
> about 4 years, and informally recommend it to any reasonably
> significant sized project (ie >10000 lines of code). I personally use
> Aegis over CVS, but this is bit like arguing the difference between a
> ball-peined and a claw hammer to someone used to using stone axes all
> their lives...
>
> There is also the issue of scriptable development environments such as
> EcoLab, but that's a whole other story...
>
> Cheers
>
> On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 11:29:26AM -0700, Owen Densmore wrote:
> > Boy did he nail it!  And I love the software carpentry page.
> >
> > His emphasis on the parts of software methodology outside of language
> > was particularly refreshing.  Unit testing, CVS (likened to a lab
> > book!), performance analysis, readability, and so on.
> >
> >      -- Owen
> >
> > Owen Densmore
> > http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org
> >
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> >
> > > Good article.
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/9yzcr
> > >
> > > --
> > > Doug Roberts
> > > 505-455-7333 - Office
> > > 505-670-8195 - Cell
> > > ============================================================
> > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
> >
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> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
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