I enjoyed reading the various perspectives regarding this issue on Friam. It is through considered and open discussions as these that we can enable mutual understanding and respect.
I believe that most Muslims are non-violent just as I know that most Americans are kind and considerate. I for one have benefitted so much from the kindness of Americans, without whose financial assistance I would never have received my bachelor degree, let alone advance degrees. As another example of American kindness, there was a young lady who grew up in Santa Fe, NM who was killed violently by a mob of blacks when she was working as a volunteer against apartheid in South Africa. Her parents not only forgave her killers but has created a foundation to help the local communities. As another example of American kindness,I currently am working with an American of Jewish decent from New York who has created a foundation to help the Surmang community in Tibet, which has suffered tremendously under Mao and the Red Guards. He has helped built clinics and schools for the local people and is working to help create micro-finance business so the local community can be self sustaining. For more information about this organization, refer to surmang.org It is unfortunate that people with extremist views, though minor in number they may be, get all the publicity, when majority people all over the world just want to co-exist peacefully, and will sacrifice, each one in our own way, to help make this world a better place. Belinda Belinda Wong-Swanson, Principal Innov8 LLC, 624 Agua Fria Street, Santa Fe, NM 87501 Tel: 505-660-7948 Email: bws at innov8llc.com Url: www.innov8llc.com ---------------------------------------- Return-Path: <friam-bounces at redfish.com> Sat Feb 25 03:24:10 2006 Received: from madrid.hostgo.com [64.71.164.66] by MAIL26.webcontrolcenter.com with SMTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:24:10 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=madrid.hostgo.com) by madrid.hostgo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FCwUz-0005QS-OI; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 05:18:02 -0500 Received: from [209.50.251.85] (helo=mecca.myhostdns.com) by madrid.hostgo.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.52) id 1FCwUm-0005PY-UJ for Friam at redfish.com; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 05:17:49 -0500 Received: from [84.36.9.30] (port=4036 helo=Apollo) by mecca.myhostdns.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FCwUj-0003Wy-BM for Friam at redfish.com; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 05:17:46 -0500 Message-ID: <045201c639f4$b9976cb0$0801a8c0 at Apollo> From: "Mohammed El-Beltagy" <[hidden email]> To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" <Friam at redfish.com> References: <000f01c6389b$8e0a8be0$976fa8c0 at Toshiba><02c401c638d6$1598a580$0801a8c0 at Apollo> <4BA2A35A-A557-11DA-989B-000A95CDE08A at swcp.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:17:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: collectives at optomatica.com, culture at optomatica.com, fax at optomatica.com, info at optomatica.com, linux at optomatica.com, mohammed at optomatica.com, web at optomatica.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mecca.myhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - redfish.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - computer.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Washington Post: Why I Published Those Cartoons X-BeenThere: Friam at redfish.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mohammed El-Beltagy <mohammed at computer.org>, The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <Friam at redfish.com> List-Id: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam_redfish.com.redfish.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com>, <mailto:Friam-request at redfish.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com> List-Post: <mailto:Friam at redfish.com> List-Help: <mailto:Friam-request at redfish.com?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com>, <mailto:Friam-request at redfish.com?subject=subscribe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Friam-bounces at redfish.com Errors-To: Friam-bounces at redfish.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - madrid.hostgo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - innov8llc.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - redfish.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-SmarterMail-Spam: SPF_None X-Rcpt-To: <bws at innov8llc.com> > I, for one, "get" what you are trying to say, at least in a few small > ways. [...] > > I soon came to straddle those two worlds. Like a shaman, or like a > pariah, depending on the moment, I had to take in the best and worst of > both cultures. And I saw hugely bad behaviour from both sides, each, > in turn threatening, dismissing, resenting, hating the other. With > my feet (and head) in both worlds, I was burdened and honored with > having to see both sides, to hold the same resentments and harms along > with the insights and inspirations of both. You certainly do get my point, thanks Steve. It is quite rare to find people who straddle multiple cultures and who are able to appreciate the complexities and beauty that makes each one of them special, and though they might formulate their own independent world view or be attracted to whichever culture, they are not dismissive of the "other". [...] I don't suppose most of the muslim world was all > that surprised that we took the use of our own airlliners as suicide > bombs against our most revered symbols of military and economic power, > as "fighting words" and responded the way we did. Most of the people > suffering our wrath did not plan or execute those attacks, many > probably did not even tacitly condone them, yet suffer they do. And > sadly, those of us who did not satirize the prophet of Islam, etc. > will suffer the indignation and perhaps wrath of the muslim world for > some time to come. > Ignorance feeds ignorance, and extremism on one side creates and extremism on the other. Unless there are more people like you in the west and the Muslim world who can see beyond the demonized "other" and their own self righteous indignation. > They do this, we do that. > The fued continues, > as fueds always have > and always will I sure hope the vicious cycle stop, if there is a future for humanity beyond the next 100 or so years. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20060225/2e201db7/attachment.htm |
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