Verizon FiOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Owen Densmore]

I was probing around for internet tv services (I'm considering  
dropping cable/sat/.. and moving to AppleTV + "home theater" or  
similar .. i.e. "internet tv") and happened across a NFL football site  
that offers HD service through something called FiOS .. which I hadn't  
seen before.

Apparently there's a very nifty broadband service evolving:
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fios
Here's an older survey on it:
   http://tinyurl.com/8m4mgx
One interesting statement they make is: The results are clear. If  
speed is what you're after, go with FiOS first, cable second and DSL  
last.  (I'd be suspicious of the DSL/Cable difference, given the  
shared nature of cable.)

Has anyone tried FiOS?  Unfortunately it is not available in Santa  
Fe .. we're a bit third world, alas.  But maybe it'll get here some  
time and I'd like to know if your experiences are good.

     -- Owen



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[Douglas Roberts-2]

No first hand experience because, not surprisingly, Qwest doesn't provide it here in Nambe yet.  They say that when they do it will provide 20Mbps.

--Doug

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

I was probing around for internet tv services (I'm considering dropping cable/sat/.. and moving to AppleTV + "home theater" or similar .. i.e. "internet tv") and happened across a NFL football site that offers HD service through something called FiOS .. which I hadn't seen before.

Apparently there's a very nifty broadband service evolving:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fios
Here's an older survey on it:
 http://tinyurl.com/8m4mgx
One interesting statement they make is: The results are clear. If speed is what you're after, go with FiOS first, cable second and DSL last.  (I'd be suspicious of the DSL/Cable difference, given the shared nature of cable.)

Has anyone tried FiOS?  Unfortunately it is not available in Santa Fe .. we're a bit third world, alas.  But maybe it'll get here some time and I'd like to know if your experiences are good.

   -- Owen



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[James Steiner]

Yes. In my neighborhood (Trenton NJ) Verizon has abandoned copper, and
installing fiber optic everywhere. You can't buy DSL or POTS
phone-over-copper here anymore. You MUST get either FiOS (from
verizon) or cable broadband from Comcast.

Each offers a 3-way bundle of internet, telephone, and television, but
you can mix and match, if you hem and haw enough.

~~James

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I was probing around for internet tv services (I'm considering dropping
> cable/sat/.. and moving to AppleTV + "home theater" or similar .. i.e.
> "internet tv") and happened across a NFL football site that offers HD
> service through something called FiOS .. which I hadn't seen before.
>
> Apparently there's a very nifty broadband service evolving:
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fios
> Here's an older survey on it:
>  http://tinyurl.com/8m4mgx
> One interesting statement they make is: The results are clear. If speed is
> what you're after, go with FiOS first, cable second and DSL last.  (I'd be
> suspicious of the DSL/Cable difference, given the shared nature of cable.)
>
> Has anyone tried FiOS?  Unfortunately it is not available in Santa Fe ..
> we're a bit third world, alas.  But maybe it'll get here some time and I'd
> like to know if your experiences are good.
>
>    -- Owen

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[Chris Feola]

Switched to FIOS from DSL more than two years ago.  The rollout here in
North Texas is neighborhood by neighborhood; I've had it for more than two
years, and my friend across town still doesn't have it anywhere close.  And
he's anxious: FIOS is a huge upgrade from anything else.  I routinely get
6-8 MBS downstream, and 3-4 MBS upstream.  It's especially noticable in
bandwidth intensive applications such as Remote Desktop.  VOIP goes from ...
Well, VOIP to land-line quality on FIOS.  Bottom line: I routinely do things
now I would never dream of trying on DSL, such as running an app on the
server over RD while showing it on a VOIP WebEx conference call.

Haven't tried the TV packages, so can't comment there. North Texas is as
flat as a board, which means you can get 15 channels over the air with
rabbit ears.

Hope that helps.

cjf

Christopher J. Feola
President
nextPression, Inc.
www.nextPression.com


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Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:18 PM
To: 1st-Mile-NM; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: [FRIAM] Verizon FiOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I was probing around for internet tv services (I'm considering dropping
cable/sat/.. and moving to AppleTV + "home theater" or similar .. i.e.
"internet tv") and happened across a NFL football site that offers HD
service through something called FiOS .. which I hadn't seen before.

Apparently there's a very nifty broadband service evolving:
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fios
Here's an older survey on it:
   http://tinyurl.com/8m4mgx
One interesting statement they make is: The results are clear. If speed is
what you're after, go with FiOS first, cable second and DSL last.  (I'd be
suspicious of the DSL/Cable difference, given the shared nature of cable.)

Has anyone tried FiOS?  Unfortunately it is not available in Santa Fe ..
we're a bit third world, alas.  But maybe it'll get here some time and I'd
like to know if your experiences are good.

     -- Owen



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[James Steiner]

Speaking of TV--once really nice thing about Comcast cable in Trenton
(NJ) is that the minimal "anntenna service" level of service, that
costs about $12 a month, includes about 50 channels, i.e. all the
usual tier1 basic cable stuff.

In philly with whatever-it-is-now, the antenna service was exactly
that--12 channels plus a bunch of shop at home junk, for $14 a month.
To get trenton-level service would be about $30.

Sorry, that's probably a little OT, but it pleases me to mention it.

~~James

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:21 PM,  <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Switched to FIOS from DSL more than two years ago.  The rollout here in
> North Texas is neighborhood by neighborhood; I've had it for more than two
> years, and my friend across town still doesn't have it anywhere close.  And
> he's anxious: FIOS is a huge upgrade from anything else.  I routinely get
> 6-8 MBS downstream, and 3-4 MBS upstream.  It's especially noticable in
> bandwidth intensive applications such as Remote Desktop.  VOIP goes from ...
> Well, VOIP to land-line quality on FIOS.  Bottom line: I routinely do things
> now I would never dream of trying on DSL, such as running an app on the
> server over RD while showing it on a VOIP WebEx conference call.
>
> Haven't tried the TV packages, so can't comment there. North Texas is as
> flat as a board, which means you can get 15 channels over the air with
> rabbit ears.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> cjf
>
> Christopher J. Feola
> President
> nextPression, Inc.
> www.nextPression.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
> Of Owen Densmore
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:18 PM
> To: 1st-Mile-NM; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: [FRIAM] Verizon FiOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>
> I was probing around for internet tv services (I'm considering dropping
> cable/sat/.. and moving to AppleTV + "home theater" or similar .. i.e.
> "internet tv") and happened across a NFL football site that offers HD
> service through something called FiOS .. which I hadn't seen before.
>
> Apparently there's a very nifty broadband service evolving:
>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fios
> Here's an older survey on it:
>   http://tinyurl.com/8m4mgx
> One interesting statement they make is: The results are clear. If speed is
> what you're after, go with FiOS first, cable second and DSL last.  (I'd be
> suspicious of the DSL/Cable difference, given the shared nature of cable.)
>
> Has anyone tried FiOS?  Unfortunately it is not available in Santa Fe ..
> we're a bit third world, alas.  But maybe it'll get here some time and I'd
> like to know if your experiences are good.
>
>     -- Owen
>

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[Owen Densmore]

Not OT at all!

Have you actually tried FiOS?  I'm wondering if it really feels  
"snappier" than vanilla broadband.

     -- Owen


On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:28 PM, James Steiner wrote:

> Speaking of TV--once really nice thing about Comcast cable in Trenton
> (NJ) is that the minimal "anntenna service" level of service, that
> costs about $12 a month, includes about 50 channels, i.e. all the
> usual tier1 basic cable stuff.
>
> In philly with whatever-it-is-now, the antenna service was exactly
> that--12 channels plus a bunch of shop at home junk, for $14 a month.
> To get trenton-level service would be about $30.
>
> Sorry, that's probably a little OT, but it pleases me to mention it.
>
> ~~James
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:21 PM,  <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Switched to FIOS from DSL more than two years ago.  The rollout  
>> here in
>> North Texas is neighborhood by neighborhood; I've had it for more  
>> than two
>> years, and my friend across town still doesn't have it anywhere  
>> close.  And
>> he's anxious: FIOS is a huge upgrade from anything else.  I  
>> routinely get
>> 6-8 MBS downstream, and 3-4 MBS upstream.  It's especially  
>> noticable in
>> bandwidth intensive applications such as Remote Desktop.  VOIP goes  
>> from ...
>> Well, VOIP to land-line quality on FIOS.  Bottom line: I routinely  
>> do things
>> now I would never dream of trying on DSL, such as running an app on  
>> the
>> server over RD while showing it on a VOIP WebEx conference call.
>>
>> Haven't tried the TV packages, so can't comment there. North Texas  
>> is as
>> flat as a board, which means you can get 15 channels over the air  
>> with
>> rabbit ears.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> cjf
>>
>> Christopher J. Feola
>> President
>> nextPression, Inc.
>> www.nextPression.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]  
>> On Behalf
>> Of Owen Densmore
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:18 PM
>> To: 1st-Mile-NM; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>> Subject: [FRIAM] Verizon FiOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>>
>> I was probing around for internet tv services (I'm considering  
>> dropping
>> cable/sat/.. and moving to AppleTV + "home theater" or similar ..  
>> i.e.
>> "internet tv") and happened across a NFL football site that offers HD
>> service through something called FiOS .. which I hadn't seen before.
>>
>> Apparently there's a very nifty broadband service evolving:
>>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fios
>> Here's an older survey on it:
>>  http://tinyurl.com/8m4mgx
>> One interesting statement they make is: The results are clear. If  
>> speed is
>> what you're after, go with FiOS first, cable second and DSL last.  
>> (I'd be
>> suspicious of the DSL/Cable difference, given the shared nature of  
>> cable.)
>>
>> Has anyone tried FiOS?  Unfortunately it is not available in Santa  
>> Fe ..
>> we're a bit third world, alas.  But maybe it'll get here some time  
>> and I'd
>> like to know if your experiences are good.
>>
>>    -- Owen
>>
>
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[Marcus G. Daniels]

Owen Densmore wrote:
> I'm wondering if it really feels "snappier" than vanilla broadband.
One issue is how fast neighborhood physical links are to individual
homes.   Another is how heavy the load is and fast the network uplinking
is for particular neighborhoods..  For example, with Wifi, in principle
it goes up to 54 Mbits/sec, but you probably won't see that in your
average airport or coffee shop..

Marcus

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[Parks, Raymond]

Owen,

  I noticed on the drive in this morning that Qwest has a billboard on
Gibson touting a fiber loop and suggesting a visit to their office/booth
in Coronado Mall for more information.  I'm sure that loop is only in
ABQ and, probably, only in the downtown/university/airport/uptown areas.

Owen Densmore wrote:

> I was probing around for internet tv services (I'm considering  
> dropping cable/sat/.. and moving to AppleTV + "home theater" or  
> similar .. i.e. "internet tv") and happened across a NFL football site  
> that offers HD service through something called FiOS .. which I hadn't  
> seen before.
>
> Apparently there's a very nifty broadband service evolving:
>    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fios
> Here's an older survey on it:
>    http://tinyurl.com/8m4mgx
> One interesting statement they make is: The results are clear. If  
> speed is what you're after, go with FiOS first, cable second and DSL  
> last.  (I'd be suspicious of the DSL/Cable difference, given the  
> shared nature of cable.)
>
> Has anyone tried FiOS?  Unfortunately it is not available in Santa  
> Fe .. we're a bit third world, alas.  But maybe it'll get here some  
> time and I'd like to know if your experiences are good.
>
>      -- Owen
>
>
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[Nick Frost]

Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
>   For example, with Wifi, in principle it goes up to 54 Mbits/sec, but
> you probably won't see that in your average airport or coffee shop..
> Marcus
Good point. Agreed:  not to mention the latency and packet loss with
medium-range 802.11<x> that some wireless Internet subscribers
experience. I think people using Comcast cable Internet, DSL, and FiOS
will see less of the problems typically associated with using wireless
for Internet connections when other wired alternatives are available.  
Wireless is great when there is no other option (or the untethered
convenience is temporarily necessary) but IMHO is contraindicated otherwise.

-Nick

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[Marcus G. Daniels]

Nick Frost wrote:
> I think people using Comcast cable Internet, DSL, and FiOS will see
> less of the problems typically associated with using wireless for
> Internet connections when other wired alternatives are available.
Yeah, I didn't mean to suggest that cooperative/municipal wireless is an
alternative to DSL or cable or FiOS, just that what matters for actual
performance isn't the theoretical fastest physical connect (e.g. of the
wire to the house or the backbone or of the seemingly-large 54mb/sec for
801.11g), it's the amount of traffic relative to the weakest link on the
path to what you want to connect to.   Seems to me FiOS is going to be a
win when there are reliable high-bandwidth _complete paths_.  For
example, for internet TV where the storage of television programs is
also provided by the FiOS ISP.

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