Venice to charge day-trippers for access to city center | News | santafenewmexican.com

[Owen Densmore]

The SF New Mexican has this interesting article on how Venice is trying to handle their overwhelming tourism.

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/venice-to-charge-day-trippers-for-access-to-city-center/article_60b81701-d063-585e-b3e9-8c2cd4d89663.html

This is just the first of several ideas to manage tourism in Venice. Managing large tour ships already has started, for example. Managing AirBnB is another in the works.

From the article:

Official estimate that as many as 30 million people visit Venice each year, with about one-fifth spending at least one night in the historic center of the city, which excludes islands in the lagoon and a mainland.

But that means the other four-fifths are day trippers? Whoa!

Fabio: any others? And is focusing on day trippers (with no overnight stay) helpful?

   -- Owen

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[Fabio Carrera]

Hey Owen!

it's time we see each other! How about a grappa night?

I'm available any evening.

A presto

Fabio

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

The SF New Mexican has this interesting article on how Venice is trying to handle their overwhelming tourism.

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/venice-to-charge-day-trippers-for-access-to-city-center/article_60b81701-d063-585e-b3e9-8c2cd4d89663.html

This is just the first of several ideas to manage tourism in Venice. Managing large tour ships already has started, for example. Managing AirBnB is another in the works.

From the article:

Official estimate that as many as 30 million people visit Venice each year, with about one-fifth spending at least one night in the historic center of the city, which excludes islands in the lagoon and a mainland.

But that means the other four-fifths are day trippers? Whoa!

Fabio: any others? And is focusing on day trippers (with no overnight stay) helpful?

   -- Owen

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[Jochen Fromm-5]

There are far too many tourists in Venice, and the cruise ships are monsters that destroy the city. Clearly a step in the right direction. 

Venice itself is quite beautiful. A lot of Vivaldi concertos, Cicchetti bars, and Vaporetti stations (a Vaporetto is a kind of water bus). Venice is famous for Gondolas and "Aperol Spritz". A unique city. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondola

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spritz_Veneziano

-Jochen

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From: Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>

Date: 1/6/19 18:33 (GMT+01:00)

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Subject: [FRIAM] Venice to charge day-trippers for access to city center | News | santafenewmexican.com

The SF New Mexican has this interesting article on how Venice is trying to handle their overwhelming tourism.

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/venice-to-charge-day-trippers-for-access-to-city-center/article_60b81701-d063-585e-b3e9-8c2cd4d89663.html

This is just the first of several ideas to manage tourism in Venice. Managing large tour ships already has started, for example. Managing AirBnB is another in the works.

From the article:

Official estimate that as many as 30 million people visit Venice each year, with about one-fifth spending at least one night in the historic center of the city, which excludes islands in the lagoon and a mainland.

But that means the other four-fifths are day trippers? Whoa!

Fabio: any others? And is focusing on day trippers (with no overnight stay) helpful?

   -- Owen

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[Owen Densmore]

And more importantly, Fabio's H3 palace in Giudecca

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xXk6EKWIBrZ-thmvvL5ACBpKbpVQssexJTcq4zKWevw/edit

and the Birraria La Corte

http://birrarialacorte.it/

near his shared office!

   -- Owen

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 1:40 PM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:

There are far too many tourists in Venice, and the cruise ships are monsters that destroy the city. Clearly a step in the right direction. 

Venice itself is quite beautiful. A lot of Vivaldi concertos, Cicchetti bars, and Vaporetti stations (a Vaporetto is a kind of water bus). Venice is famous for Gondolas and "Aperol Spritz". A unique city. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondola

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spritz_Veneziano

-Jochen

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From: Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>

Date: 1/6/19 18:33 (GMT+01:00)

To: Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>, Fabio Carrera <[hidden email]>, John DiRuggiero <[hidden email]>, Wedtech <[hidden email]>

Subject: [FRIAM] Venice to charge day-trippers for access to city center | News | santafenewmexican.com

The SF New Mexican has this interesting article on how Venice is trying to handle their overwhelming tourism.

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/venice-to-charge-day-trippers-for-access-to-city-center/article_60b81701-d063-585e-b3e9-8c2cd4d89663.html

This is just the first of several ideas to manage tourism in Venice. Managing large tour ships already has started, for example. Managing AirBnB is another in the works.

From the article:

Official estimate that as many as 30 million people visit Venice each year, with about one-fifth spending at least one night in the historic center of the city, which excludes islands in the lagoon and a mainland.

But that means the other four-fifths are day trippers? Whoa!

Fabio: any others? And is focusing on day trippers (with no overnight stay) helpful?

   -- Owen

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[Jochen Fromm-5]

Oh, nice. The Guardian has an article about Venice too

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/06/venice-losing-fight-with-tourism-and-flooding

-Jochen

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From: Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>

Date: 1/6/19 23:08 (GMT+01:00)

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>

Cc: Wedtech <[hidden email]>, John DiRuggiero <[hidden email]>, Fabio Carrera <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Venice to charge day-trippers for access to city center | News | santafenewmexican.com

And more importantly, Fabio's H3 palace in Giudecca

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xXk6EKWIBrZ-thmvvL5ACBpKbpVQssexJTcq4zKWevw/edit

and the Birraria La Corte

http://birrarialacorte.it/

near his shared office!

   -- Owen

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 1:40 PM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:

There are far too many tourists in Venice, and the cruise ships are monsters that destroy the city. Clearly a step in the right direction. 

Venice itself is quite beautiful. A lot of Vivaldi concertos, Cicchetti bars, and Vaporetti stations (a Vaporetto is a kind of water bus). Venice is famous for Gondolas and "Aperol Spritz". A unique city. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondola

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spritz_Veneziano

-Jochen

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From: Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>

Date: 1/6/19 18:33 (GMT+01:00)

To: Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>, Fabio Carrera <[hidden email]>, John DiRuggiero <[hidden email]>, Wedtech <[hidden email]>

Subject: [FRIAM] Venice to charge day-trippers for access to city center | News | santafenewmexican.com

The SF New Mexican has this interesting article on how Venice is trying to handle their overwhelming tourism.

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/venice-to-charge-day-trippers-for-access-to-city-center/article_60b81701-d063-585e-b3e9-8c2cd4d89663.html

This is just the first of several ideas to manage tourism in Venice. Managing large tour ships already has started, for example. Managing AirBnB is another in the works.

From the article:

Official estimate that as many as 30 million people visit Venice each year, with about one-fifth spending at least one night in the historic center of the city, which excludes islands in the lagoon and a mainland.

But that means the other four-fifths are day trippers? Whoa!

Fabio: any others? And is focusing on day trippers (with no overnight stay) helpful?

   -- Owen

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[Ron Newman]

For anyone who hasn't seen it, the hilarious and thought-provoking movie "Where To Invade Next" opens with a portrait of Italian working life.  Here's a link to a full-length copy (probably bootleg, so support it elsewhere wherever you can).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j7tuwH346Y

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 11:35 PM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh, nice. The Guardian has an article about Venice too

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/06/venice-losing-fight-with-tourism-and-flooding

-Jochen

-------- Original message --------

From: Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>

Date: 1/6/19 23:08 (GMT+01:00)

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>

Cc: Wedtech <[hidden email]>, John DiRuggiero <[hidden email]>, Fabio Carrera <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Venice to charge day-trippers for access to city center | News | santafenewmexican.com

And more importantly, Fabio's H3 palace in Giudecca

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xXk6EKWIBrZ-thmvvL5ACBpKbpVQssexJTcq4zKWevw/edit

and the Birraria La Corte

http://birrarialacorte.it/

near his shared office!

   -- Owen

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 1:40 PM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:

There are far too many tourists in Venice, and the cruise ships are monsters that destroy the city. Clearly a step in the right direction. 

Venice itself is quite beautiful. A lot of Vivaldi concertos, Cicchetti bars, and Vaporetti stations (a Vaporetto is a kind of water bus). Venice is famous for Gondolas and "Aperol Spritz". A unique city. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondola

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spritz_Veneziano

-Jochen

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From: Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>

Date: 1/6/19 18:33 (GMT+01:00)

To: Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>, Fabio Carrera <[hidden email]>, John DiRuggiero <[hidden email]>, Wedtech <[hidden email]>

Subject: [FRIAM] Venice to charge day-trippers for access to city center | News | santafenewmexican.com

The SF New Mexican has this interesting article on how Venice is trying to handle their overwhelming tourism.

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/venice-to-charge-day-trippers-for-access-to-city-center/article_60b81701-d063-585e-b3e9-8c2cd4d89663.html

This is just the first of several ideas to manage tourism in Venice. Managing large tour ships already has started, for example. Managing AirBnB is another in the works.

From the article:

Official estimate that as many as 30 million people visit Venice each year, with about one-fifth spending at least one night in the historic center of the city, which excludes islands in the lagoon and a mainland.

But that means the other four-fifths are day trippers? Whoa!

Fabio: any others? And is focusing on day trippers (with no overnight stay) helpful?

   -- Owen

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[Owen Densmore]

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 11:35 PM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh, nice. The Guardian has an article about Venice too

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/06/venice-losing-fight-with-tourism-and-flooding

Really good addition to the conversation. I love the wheely suitcase issue. We stay in Venice for a week or two, and once an entire month, each year.

I recall several times being annoyed by that rattle and loud chatter by the owners. Once it was like being run down by an army when a large group (a dozen or so) rattled by and shouted at each other to be heard over the noise! Grrrr!

   -- Owen

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[Owen Densmore]

Sorry to be late, lots going on here.

Wed any time after 7:30? Or any other night this week?

   -- Owen

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 11:01 AM Fabio Carrera <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hey Owen!

it's time we see each other! How about a grappa night?

I'm available any evening.

A presto

Fabio

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