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Tom Johnson

Top geek novels

Who amongst us has not read at least one of these? Who's read them all?

>From Ex Libris: an E-Zine for Librarians and Other Information Junkies.
http://marylaine.com/exlibris/
Copyright, Marylaine Block, 1999-2005.

"Top 20 Geek Novels
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2005/11/09/top_20_geek_novels_the_results.html

Here's an idea for a display, a program, and a contest at your library
(because not everybody's going to agree with this list). Whoever's read the
most of these titles gets to run the program."

-tj

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Russell Standish

Top geek novels

For me, 7 out of the 20. The interesting thing is that 5 of these were
in the top 8, and another 2 of the top 8 are novels I definitely want to
read when I get a round tuit (only got square ones here :). So you get
good agreement with me!

Cheers

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Douglas Roberts-2

Top geek novels

Girard has read all 20, plus 20 more just like them!

9 for me.

--Doug

On 11/22/05, Russell Standish <r.standish at unsw.edu.au> wrote:

>
> For me, 7 out of the 20. The interesting thing is that 5 of these were
> in the top 8, and another 2 of the top 8 are novels I definitely want to
> read when I get a round tuit (only got square ones here :). So you get
> good agreement with me!
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 03:22:16PM -0700, J T Johnson wrote:
> > Who amongst us has not read at least one of these? Who's read them all?
> >
> > >From Ex Libris: an E-Zine for Librarians and Other Information Junkies.
> > http://marylaine.com/exlibris/
> > Copyright, Marylaine Block, 1999-2005.
> >
> >
> > "Top 20 Geek Novels
> >
> http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2005/11/09/top_20_geek_novels_the_results.html
> >
> > Here's an idea for a display, a program, and a contest at your library
> > (because not everybody's going to agree with this list). Whoever's read
> the
> > most of these titles gets to run the program."
> >
> > -tj
> >
> > --
> > ==============================================
> > J. T. Johnson
> > Institute for Analytic Journalism
> > www.analyticjournalism.com <http://www.analyticjournalism.com> <
> http://www.analyticjournalism.com>
> > 505.577.6482 (c) 505.473.9646(h)
> > http://www.jtjohnson.com tom at jtjohnson.com
> >
> > "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense."
> > -John McCarthy, Stanford University mathematician
> > ==============================================
>
> > ============================================================
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Bruce Sawhill

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13/20 for me.

Bruce

On Nov 22, 2005, at 2:51 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Girard has read all 20, plus 20 more just like them!
>
> 9 for me.
>
> --Doug
>
> On 11/22/05, Russell Standish <r.standish at unsw.edu.au> wrote:
> For me, 7 out of the 20. The interesting thing is that 5 of these were
> in the top 8, and another 2 of the top 8 are novels I definitely
> want to
> read when I get a round tuit (only got square ones here :). So you get
> good agreement with me!
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 03:22:16PM -0700, J T Johnson wrote:
> > Who amongst us has not read at least one of these? Who's read
> them all?
> >
> > >From Ex Libris: an E-Zine for Librarians and Other Information
> Junkies.
> > http://marylaine.com/exlibris/
> > Copyright, Marylaine Block, 1999-2005.
> >
> >
> > "Top 20 Geek Novels
> > http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2005/11/09/
> top_20_geek_novels_the_results.html
> >
> > Here's an idea for a display, a program, and a contest at your
> library
> > (because not everybody's going to agree with this list).
> Whoever's read the
> > most of these titles gets to run the program."
> >
> > -tj
> >
> > --
> > ==============================================
> > J. T. Johnson
> > Institute for Analytic Journalism
> > www.analyticjournalism.com <http://www.analyticjournalism.com>
> > 505.577.6482 (c) 505.473.9646(h)
> > http://www.jtjohnson.com tom at jtjohnson.com
> >
> > "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense."
> > -John McCarthy, Stanford University mathematician
> > ==============================================
>
> > ============================================================
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Carl Tollander

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In reply to this post by Tom Johnson

I only got 15, guess I'm out of touch.

J T Johnson wrote:

> Who amongst us has not read at least one of these? Who's read them all?
>
> >From Ex Libris: an E-Zine for Librarians and Other Information Junkies.
> http://marylaine.com/exlibris/
> Copyright, Marylaine Block, 1999-2005.
>
>
> "Top 20 Geek Novels
> http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2005/11/09/top_20_geek_novels_the_results.html
> <http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2005/11/09/top_20_geek_novels_the_results.html>
> Here's an idea for a display, a program, and a contest at your library
> (because not everybody's going to agree with this list). Whoever's
> read the
> most of these titles gets to run the program."
>
> -tj
>
> --
> ==============================================
> J. T. Johnson
> Institute for Analytic Journalism
> www.analyticjournalism.com <http://www.analyticjournalism.com>
> 505.577.6482 (c) 505.473.9646(h)
> http://www.jtjohnson.com tom at jtjohnson.com
> <mailto:tom at jtjohnson.com>
>
> "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense."
> -John McCarthy, Stanford University mathematician
> ==============================================
>
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>
>============================================================
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>

Roger Critchlow-2

Top geek novels

In reply to this post by Douglas Roberts-2

12 or 13, not sure about one.

-- rec --

Giles Bowkett

Top geek novels

Min 13, max 15.

On 11/22/05, Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org> wrote:
> 12 or 13, not sure about one.
>
> -- rec --
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Douglas Roberts-2

Top geek novels

In reply to this post by Carl Tollander

Actually, Carl, I'd say your GQ (Geek Quotient) was right up there.

On 11/22/05, Carl Tollander <carl at plektyx.com> wrote:

>
> I only got 15, guess I'm out of touch.
>
> J T Johnson wrote:
>
> > Who amongst us has not read at least one of these? Who's read them all?
> >
> > >From Ex Libris: an E-Zine for Librarians and Other Information Junkies.
> > http://marylaine.com/exlibris/
> > Copyright, Marylaine Block, 1999-2005.
> >
> >
> > "Top 20 Geek Novels
> >
> http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2005/11/09/top_20_geek_novels_the_results.html
> > <
> http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2005/11/09/top_20_geek_novels_the_results.html
> >
> > Here's an idea for a display, a program, and a contest at your library
> > (because not everybody's going to agree with this list). Whoever's
> > read the
> > most of these titles gets to run the program."
> >
> > -tj
> >
> > --
> > ==============================================
> > J. T. Johnson
> > Institute for Analytic Journalism
> > www.analyticjournalism.com <http://www.analyticjournalism.com> <
> http://www.analyticjournalism.com>
> > 505.577.6482 (c) 505.473.9646(h)
> > http://www.jtjohnson.com tom at jtjohnson.com
> > <mailto:tom at jtjohnson.com>
> >
> > "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense."
> > -John McCarthy, Stanford University mathematician
> > ==============================================
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >============================================================
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> >Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
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Carl Tollander

Top geek novels

In reply to this post by Tom Johnson

LeGuin and Cherryh books were sadly absent, same for Sterling (Bruce),
Gregory Benford, Greg Bear.
Oh, and R. A. Lafferty.

(What? Stephenson's Cryptonomicon is on the list, but not the Baroque
Cycle?)

The next question would be which one(s) influenced your thinking (ie
'spun the propeller') most?
(Ya don't have to say how...)

J T Johnson wrote:

jpgirard

Top geek novels

In reply to this post by Douglas Roberts-2

And just finished another! (Actually, my total is only 10 or 11, none in
the last 5 years, and at least 1/3 of the list I don't recognize at all)

I am stunned/disappointed that there is not a single Niven or Clarke book on
the "geek" list.
They were always the leaders in "hard" science fiction.

There always was a strong correlation between geek/SF and fantasy. But
looking at the list shows a strong presense of sociology.
Maybe it's just that everyone has read 1984 and Brave New World.

And of course, I would argue that the entire Foundation series is built on
Harry Seldon, who (fictionally) built his research on the
self-organizing/complexity principle that one human is never predictable,
but populations of humans are.

Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto:Friam-bounces at redfish.com]On
Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:51 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Top geek novels

Girard has read all 20, plus 20 more just like them!

9 for me.

--Doug

On 11/22/05, Russell Standish <r.standish at unsw.edu.au> wrote:
For me, 7 out of the 20. The interesting thing is that 5 of these were
in the top 8, and another 2 of the top 8 are novels I definitely want to
read when I get a round tuit (only got square ones here :). So you get
good agreement with me!

Cheers

On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 03:22:16PM -0700, J T Johnson wrote:
> Who amongst us has not read at least one of these? Who's read them
all?
>
> >From Ex Libris: an E-Zine for Librarians and Other Information
Junkies.
> http://marylaine.com/exlibris/
> Copyright, Marylaine Block, 1999-2005.
>
>
> "Top 20 Geek Novels
>
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2005/11/09/top_20_geek_novel
s_the_results.html
>
> Here's an idea for a display, a program, and a contest at your library
> (because not everybody's going to agree with this list). Whoever's
read the
> most of these titles gets to run the program."
>
> -tj
>
> --
> ==============================================
> J. T. Johnson
> Institute for Analytic Journalism
> www.analyticjournalism.com <http://www.analyticjournalism.com>
> 505.577.6482 (c) 505.473.9646(h)
> http://www.jtjohnson.com tom at jtjohnson.com
>
> "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense."
> -John McCarthy, Stanford University mathematician
> ==============================================

> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
http://www.friam.org

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Douglas Roberts-2

Top geek novels

As Laura pointed out, the sample size was only 130, so geek-wise, it is not
statistically valid.

"World of Ptaavs", my first Niven novel (found, inexplicably, under a
Volkswagen hubcap in my driveway in Las Cruces in 1973)
"Glory Road:", my first A. C. Clark discovery as a young geek.

--Doug

On 11/23/05, jpgirard <jpgirard at thinkingmetal.com> wrote:

>
> And just finished another! (Actually, my total is only 10 or 11, none in
> the last 5 years, and at least 1/3 of the list I don't recognize at all)
>
> I am stunned/disappointed that there is not a single Niven or Clarke book
> on the "geek" list.
> They were always the leaders in "hard" science fiction.
>
> There always was a strong correlation between geek/SF and fantasy. But
> looking at the list shows a strong presense of sociology.
> Maybe it's just that everyone has read 1984 and Brave New World.
>
> And of course, I would argue that the entire Foundation series is built on
> Harry Seldon, who (fictionally) built his research on the
> self-organizing/complexity principle that one human is never predictable,
> but populations of humans are.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto:Friam-bounces at redfish.com]*On
> Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:51 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Top geek novels
>
> Girard has read all 20, plus 20 more just like them!
>
> 9 for me.
>
> --Doug
>
> On 11/22/05, Russell Standish <r.standish at unsw.edu.au> wrote:
> >
> > For me, 7 out of the 20. The interesting thing is that 5 of these were
> > in the top 8, and another 2 of the top 8 are novels I definitely want to
> > read when I get a round tuit (only got square ones here :). So you get
> > good agreement with me!
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 03:22:16PM -0700, J T Johnson wrote:
> > > Who amongst us has not read at least one of these? Who's read them
> > all?
> > >
> > > >From Ex Libris: an E-Zine for Librarians and Other Information
> > Junkies.
> > > http://marylaine.com/exlibris/
> > > Copyright, Marylaine Block, 1999-2005.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Top 20 Geek Novels
> > >
> > http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2005/11/09/top_20_geek_novels_the_results.html
> > >
> > > Here's an idea for a display, a program, and a contest at your library
> > > (because not everybody's going to agree with this list). Whoever's
> > read the
> > > most of these titles gets to run the program."
> > >
> > > -tj
> > >
> > > --
> > > ==============================================
> > > J. T. Johnson
> > > Institute for Analytic Journalism
> > > www.analyticjournalism.com <http://www.analyticjournalism.com>
> > > 505.577.6482 (c) 505.473.9646(h)
> > > http://www.jtjohnson.com tom at jtjohnson.com
> > >
> > > "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense."
> > > -John McCarthy, Stanford University mathematician
> > > ==============================================
> >
> > > ============================================================
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> > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
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> > Mathematics 0425 253119 (")
> > UNSW SYDNEY 2052 R.Standish at unsw.edu.au
> > Australia
> > http://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks
> > International prefix +612, Interstate prefix 02
> >
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>
>
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Jochen Fromm-3

Top geek novels

In reply to this post by Tom Johnson

Real Geeks read hard SF, for instance
David Brin or Greg Egan.

-J.

John Pfersich

Top geek novels

In reply to this post by Douglas Roberts-2

At 10:56 AM 11/23/2005 -0700, jpgirard wrote:
>
>And of course, I would argue that the entire Foundation series is built on
>Harry Seldon, who (fictionally) built his research on the
>self-organizing/complexity principle that one human is never predictable,
>but populations of humans are.
>
>
>
>Jim

Like lemmings?
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James Steiner

Top geek novels

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11/20 plus Shockwave Rider and Stand on Zanzibar...

On 11/23/05, Jochen Fromm <fromm at vs.uni-kassel.de> wrote:
> Real Geeks read hard SF, for instance
> David Brin or Greg Egan.

"real" geeks? which kind? Tech geeks, Scifi geeks, Radio Geeks,
Science Geeks, Math Geeks, Ballroom dancing geeks...? There's so
many!!

Here's a question: What kind of geeks are we, or, rather, in what
domains of geekdom do you exist?

~~James

Roger Critchlow-2

Top geek novels

Ah, the Whole Geek Catalog.

-- rec --

On 11/23/05, James Steiner <gregortroll at gmail.com> wrote:

> 11/20 plus Shockwave Rider and Stand on Zanzibar...
>
> On 11/23/05, Jochen Fromm <fromm at vs.uni-kassel.de> wrote:
> > Real Geeks read hard SF, for instance
> > David Brin or Greg Egan.
>
> "real" geeks? which kind? Tech geeks, Scifi geeks, Radio Geeks,
> Science Geeks, Math Geeks, Ballroom dancing geeks...? There's so
> many!!
>
> Here's a question: What kind of geeks are we, or, rather, in what
> domains of geekdom do you exist?
>
> ~~James
>
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Douglas Roberts-2

Top geek novels

In reply to this post by James Steiner

The complex kind, of course.

On 11/23/05, James Steiner <gregortroll at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Here's a question: What kind of geeks are we,
>
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Gary Schiltz-3

Top geek novels

In reply to this post by James Steiner

Let's see... computer geek, birding geek ("beak geek"?), tree hugger
geek ("eco geeko"?) for me.

// Gary

James Steiner wrote:
>
> Here's a question: What kind of geeks are we, or, rather, in what
> domains of geekdom do you exist?

James Steiner

Top geek novels

On 11/24/05, Gary Schiltz <gss at cybermesa.com> wrote:
> tree hugger geek ("eco geeko"?) for me.
If rhyming is desired, I'd use, "teak geek" :)

Giles Bowkett

Top geek novels

freak geek ^_^

On 11/29/05, James Steiner <gregortroll at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/24/05, Gary Schiltz <gss at cybermesa.com> wrote:
> > tree hugger geek ("eco geeko"?) for me.
> If rhyming is desired, I'd use, "teak geek" :)
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On 11/29/05, Giles Bowkett <gilesb at gmail.com> wrote:
> freak geek ^_^
>
> On 11/29/05, James Steiner <gregortroll at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 11/24/05, Gary Schiltz <gss at cybermesa.com> wrote:
> > > tree hugger geek ("eco geeko"?) for me.
> > If rhyming is desired, I'd use, "teak geek" :)