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Douglas Roberts-2

Too much later, and we wouldn't be able to know that there's a universe at all

Hey,

If you guys want something really complex to wax philosophical about, try
this:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070629-the-universe-will-destroy-the-evidence-of-its-origin.html

Exerpt:

[...] there's another layer of complexity on top of that, namely that we
only recognize that there is an anthropic principle because we came along at
the right time.

--
Doug Roberts, RTI International
droberts at rti.org
doug at parrot-farm.net
505-455-7333 - Office
505-670-8195 - Cell
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Robert J. Cordingley

Too much later, and we wouldn't be able to know that there's a universe at all

I have two questions:
Relative to the age of a universe, how wide is the time frame in
which life can emerge to realize it's at a special time in the universe?
and
What makes one think that the science and technology we would have
available in 100 billion years will be limited to the science we have
today that sees the limitations described? Perhaps by then we will have
mastered transdimensional travel. It reminds me of the sentiment, not
too long ago, before relativity, that claimed all the physics there was
had been discovered. But then I didn't pay the $32 to read the original
paper.

Robert C.

Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Hey,
>
> If you guys want something really complex to wax philosophical about,
> try this:
>
> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070629-the-universe-will-destroy-the-evidence-of-its-origin.html
> <http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070629-the-universe-will-destroy-the-evidence-of-its-origin.html>
>
> Exerpt:
>
> [...] there's another layer of complexity on top of that, namely that
> we only recognize that there is an anthropic principle because we came
> along at the right time.
>
>
> --
> Doug Roberts, RTI International
> droberts at rti.org <mailto:droberts at rti.org>
> doug at parrot-farm.net <mailto:doug at parrot-farm.net>
> 505-455-7333 - Office
> 505-670-8195 - Cell
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Carl Tollander

Too much later, and we wouldn't be able to know that there's a universe at all

In reply to this post by Douglas Roberts-2

Seems a bit excessive as a computer security measure, particularly given
the progressive negative consequences for inter-galactic peer review,
real-estate prices, P2P etc. Though given the long lead times, I'm
sure we could figure a way around it if we could obtain some sort of
sustained funding support.

Douglas Roberts wrote:

Phil Henshaw-2

Too much later, and we wouldn't be able to know that there's a universe at all

In reply to this post by Douglas Roberts-2

But what do you mean by 'it'. Does the subject referred to a thing or
a projection of rules and information?, and if you can't tell the
difference, why wouldn't that be one of the interesting aspects of
whatever 'it' is and worth mentioning?

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Subject: [FRIAM] Too much later,and we wouldn't be able to know that
there's a universe at all

Hey,

If you guys want something really complex to wax philosophical about,
try this:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070629-the-universe-will-destroy-
the-evidence-of-its-origin.html
<http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070629-the-universe-will-destroy
-the-evidence-of-its-origin.html>

Exerpt:

[...] there's another layer of complexity on top of that, namely that we
only recognize that there is an anthropic principle because we came
along at the right time.

--
Doug Roberts, RTI International
droberts at rti.org
doug at parrot-farm.net
505-455-7333 - Office
505-670-8195 - Cell

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