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In this wonderfully animated video, Philip Zimbardo
talks about the geography of time, time perspectives, online gaming and sit-down family diners http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3oIiH7BLmg -J. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Jochen,
It is a wonderful video, but I worry about the content. Zimbardo's ability to mix a small amount of science with a lot of common-sense vacuous, but appealing, bull shit, never ceases to amaze me. For example, "All addictions are addictions of present hedonism." Really? Have we checked ALL addictions. Do we have a good enough definition of 'addiction' to really test the hypothesis? Is that merely true by definition? If I came up with an alternative example, like say a compulsive collector of past-related items (old baseball cards, records, civil war memorabilia), would you simply keep twisting it until you could justify it in terms of your original statement. I think at least half of the things said could be subjected to similar criticism. For another example, as a kid I played far more than 10,000 hours of video games, I'm not so sure there is a direct relationship between that and school/life failure. Correlation? Maybe, but I'll bet Phil's intro stats classes mentioned something about the relationship between correlation and causation. And yet I maintain my faith that in subjects other than Psychology Stanford has important people. Eric On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 07:01 AM, "Jochen Fromm" <[hidden email]> wrote: Eric CharlesIn this wonderfully animated video, Philip Zimbardo Professional Student and Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State University Altoona, PA 16601 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Eric,
Yes, you are right, the content is a bit controversial, a wild hodgepodge of unrelated things. It is certainly not an example of good science.. It would be useful for marketing purposes, though, the animations are nice. And you must admit that the video contains some thought-provoking issues. -J. ----- Original Message ----- From: ERIC P. CHARLES To: Jochen Fromm Cc: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Time perspectives Jochen, It is a wonderful video, but I worry about the content. Zimbardo's ability to mix a small amount of science with a lot of common-sense vacuous, but appealing, bull shit, never ceases to amaze me. For example, "All addictions are addictions of present hedonism." Really? Have we checked ALL addictions. Do we have a good enough definition of 'addiction' to really test the hypothesis? Is that merely true by definition? If I came up with an alternative example, like say a compulsive collector of past-related items (old baseball cards, records, civil war memorabilia), would you simply keep twisting it until you could justify it in terms of your original statement. I think at least half of the things said could be subjected to similar criticism. For another example, as a kid I played far more than 10,000 hours of video games, I'm not so sure there is a direct relationship between that and school/life failure. Correlation? Maybe, but I'll bet Phil's intro stats classes mentioned something about the relationship between correlation and causation. And yet I maintain my faith that in subjects other than Psychology Stanford has important people. Eric On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 07:01 AM, "Jochen Fromm" <[hidden email]> wrote: In this wonderfully animated video, Philip Zimbardo talks about the geography of time, time perspectives, online gaming and sit-down family dinershttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3oIiH7BLmg-J.============================================================FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listservMeets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's Collegelectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Eric Charles Professional Student and Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State University Altoona, PA 16601 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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The RSA animations are quite a find! Thanks.
I can respond to one part of the video: the Lega Nord: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Nord I first heard of it listening to an Italian audio magazine that comes out every other month. There have been 3-4 articles over the last 4 years. It has had a huge impact on fiscal laws. For example, in recent elections a certain percentage of taxes collected in a region MUST be spent in that region. This is to halt the flow of money from north to south. Maybe Fabio and others of our Italian readers could comment. As a traveler in Italy, I've not spent much time in the south, but going through Napoli to Capri, I did get some of that feel. I don't get it as much in Rome, but then I was there on business once so got to see some of the non-turist side of Rome. Relating to the video .. I really buy the fact that this invisible time artifact just might be quite important. Certainly thought provoking. How'd you happen across it? -- Owen On Jun 13, 2010, at 5:01 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > In this wonderfully animated video, Philip Zimbardo talks about the geography of time, time perspectives, online gaming and sit-down family diners > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3oIiH7BLmg > > -J. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Eric,
I agree. The most sucessful psychologists ... the ones that made the big bucks in textbooks, etc, and in circles of admiring chicks at conferences ... are the ones who made an industry of taking conventional wisdom and repackaging it as science. I think there is some point where I join the "hard" scientist critique of the "soft" sciences, not because the latter not as methodologically rigorous, but more because the questions they ask are so maleable. A social scientist can always arrange to look like a leader by watching where the mob is running and strolling over to be there when it arrives.
"See. I was here first. I am your leader."
But am I envious? You bet!
Nick
PS to EPC: Note the New Realist premise, here. Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University ([hidden email])
http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe]
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Jeremy Rifkin's RSA video (The Empathic Civilization) claims that we are wired for empathy but that empathy exists only because we can identify with others' suffering. According to Rifkin (at about 4 1/2 minutes) there is no empathy in Heaven; there is no empathy in Utopia. I also liked Daniel Pink's RSA presentation on motivation and drive.
-- Russ A On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
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