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This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

Tom Johnson

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Re: This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

Gary Schiltz-4
Cool, I'll have to look into that in my spare time. Looks a lot more "paper space" efficient and less error prone than what most of us grew up with.

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Re: This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

Stephen Guerin-5
paper efficient when digits are less than 3. Work out 898 * 879 with lines and compare to traditional method.
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Cool, I'll have to look into that in my spare time. Looks a lot more "paper space" efficient and less error prone than what most of us grew up with.

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Re: This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

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I have a couple of books on "Vedic Math" - a large set of techniques for how to calculate. This technique was among them.  Showed the books to Frank once, he was not impressed, "not real mathematics."

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Re: This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

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How arrogant of me!

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I have a couple of books on "Vedic Math" - a large set of techniques for how to calculate. This technique was among them.  Showed the books to Frank once, he was not impressed, "not real mathematics."

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Re: This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

Nick Thompson
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What!???? How could any mathematics not be REAL!  FRANK!  Defend yourself!

 

NIck

 

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I have a couple of books on "Vedic Math" - a large set of techniques for how to calculate. This technique was among them.  Showed the books to Frank once, he was not impressed, "not real mathematics."

 

davew

 

 

 

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Re: This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

Frank Wimberly-2
"Real" and "real math" are two different things.  My definition of real math is exposition of the form "definition, theorem, proof".  When you figure out what "real" means, let me know.

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What!???? How could any mathematics not be REAL!  FRANK!  Defend yourself!

 

NIck

 

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I have a couple of books on "Vedic Math" - a large set of techniques for how to calculate. This technique was among them.  Showed the books to Frank once, he was not impressed, "not real mathematics."

 

davew

 

 

 

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Re: This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

Barry MacKichan
This way of multiplying is isomorphic to what I learned in third grade. Multiply these numbers as you were taught. If your numbers have n and m digits, below the line in the multiplication there will be n m-digit numbers. (Ignoring carries for the sake of exposition), each of those n by m digits corresponds to a count of one of the small grids in the Japanese method. Hence the isomorphism.

Carries seem to b handled the same way in both methods.

— Barry
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"Real" and "real math" are two different things.  My definition of real math is exposition of the form "definition, theorem, proof".  When you figure out what "real" means, let me know.

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What!???? How could any mathematics not be REAL!  FRANK!  Defend yourself!

 

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I have a couple of books on "Vedic Math" - a large set of techniques for how to calculate. This technique was among them.  Showed the books to Frank once, he was not impressed, "not real mathematics."

 

davew

 

 

 

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Re: This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

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Yeah.  I am not on my “Real” kick today.  “real” is good enough for me.  “real” in the sense of honorable, respectable, normative, proper, honest, genuine, true to itself, etc.  But on your definition, applied math wouldn’t be “real”, right?  CS wouldn’t be real math, either.  To me, math is “just” the development or use of formal systems to advance knowledge.  On that understanding, the use of any kind of formal system to model a natural system is “real math.”  I take it you would disagree.

 

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"Real" and "real math" are two different things.  My definition of real math is exposition of the form "definition, theorem, proof".  When you figure out what "real" means, let me know.

 

Frank

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On Sat, Nov 3, 2018, 6:14 PM Nick Thompson <[hidden email] wrote:

What!???? How could any mathematics not be REAL!  FRANK!  Defend yourself!

 

NIck

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

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Clark University

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From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 5:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

 

I have a couple of books on "Vedic Math" - a large set of techniques for how to calculate. This technique was among them.  Showed the books to Frank once, he was not impressed, "not real mathematics."

 

davew

 

 

 

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Re: This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

Frank Wimberly-2
Some applied math is real math by my definition as is some CS.  Jon, Hywel and I were reading Schutz on general relativity.  It was close to being "real math"  but I was quite frustrated.  He talks a good deal about the metric tensor but never really defines it.  As far as I can see it's neither a metric nor a tensor according to the definitions I learned in math classes.

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Yeah.  I am not on my “Real” kick today.  “real” is good enough for me.  “real” in the sense of honorable, respectable, normative, proper, honest, genuine, true to itself, etc.  But on your definition, applied math wouldn’t be “real”, right?  CS wouldn’t be real math, either.  To me, math is “just” the development or use of formal systems to advance knowledge.  On that understanding, the use of any kind of formal system to model a natural system is “real math.”  I take it you would disagree.

 

Nick

 

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From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 6:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
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"Real" and "real math" are two different things.  My definition of real math is exposition of the form "definition, theorem, proof".  When you figure out what "real" means, let me know.

 

Frank

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On Sat, Nov 3, 2018, 6:14 PM Nick Thompson <[hidden email] wrote:

What!???? How could any mathematics not be REAL!  FRANK!  Defend yourself!

 

NIck

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

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From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Prof David West
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

 

I have a couple of books on "Vedic Math" - a large set of techniques for how to calculate. This technique was among them.  Showed the books to Frank once, he was not impressed, "not real mathematics."

 

davew

 

 

 

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