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Jack Stafurik

This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

The ball is in Apple's court. Do they have the moxie to come up with a
creative reply?

http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sendi
ng-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/

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cody dooderson

Re: This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2012/aug/29/apple-samsung-trucks-nickels-fake

Cody Smith

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Jack Stafurik <[hidden email]> wrote:

The ball is in Apple's court. Do they have the moxie to come up with a
creative reply?

<a href="http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sendi ng-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/" target="_blank">http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sendi
ng-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/

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Gillian Densmore

Re: This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

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Yes the answer is that news story needs to be clarified as: attempted to do so.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2012/aug/29/apple-samsung-trucks-nickels-fake

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Jack Stafurik <[hidden email]> wrote:

The ball is in Apple's court. Do they have the moxie to come up with a
creative reply?

<a href="http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sendi ng-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/" target="_blank">http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sendi
ng-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/

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Owen Densmore

Re: This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

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I liked this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/aug/28/apple-samsung-foreman-explains

.. in the blog roll to the right of the article.

Explains in detail how the jury worked and made the decision.

Patents are tough. I got a couple for software, mainly relating to the fine old NeWS (network extensible window system) but then, while working on the Java Car, the skunkworks ended up with over a dozen all told. Takes a lot of time and is a hassle, but more: they are generally of questionable worth.

Large companies mainly collect a "war chest" of them, and generally trade them back & forth. IBM actually makes a huge amount per year on patent licensing.

I think I'm generally against software patents. But copyright is far more abused .. it can be extended virtually forever. Some protection is fine, but too much is oppressive.

-- Owen

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:08 AM, cody dooderson <[hidden email]> wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2012/aug/29/apple-samsung-trucks-nickels-fake

Cody Smith

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Jack Stafurik <[hidden email]> wrote:
The ball is in Apple's court. Do they have the moxie to come up with a
creative reply?

http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sendi
ng-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/

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Gillian Densmore

Re: This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

I had a feeling the topic of samsung would come up again. To my untrained eyes how Android looks on my Samsung Glaxy S4-when held next to a iphone- on the look and feel front don't (to me) look so simmiler that I'd pick up my samsung and mistake it for a iphone. So it comes down to fair and reasonable- I'm not a lawyer- I think if I handed my grandpa (bob) my samsung and dad handed him the iphone and asked him wich he thought was what- I think even at 90 years old Bob would likely say: aha the one you gave me gil is-what is that? I think he could tell the apple phone was a apple phone. I don't understand how that wouldn't be enough to stop junk lawsuits if the heart of the problem is apple complaining that android or samsung use rounded corners on some of the buttons.
That being said the Android Apps I like to use are great!

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

I liked this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/aug/28/apple-samsung-foreman-explains

.. in the blog roll to the right of the article.

Explains in detail how the jury worked and made the decision.

Patents are tough. I got a couple for software, mainly relating to the fine old NeWS (network extensible window system) but then, while working on the Java Car, the skunkworks ended up with over a dozen all told. Takes a lot of time and is a hassle, but more: they are generally of questionable worth.

Large companies mainly collect a "war chest" of them, and generally trade them back & forth. IBM actually makes a huge amount per year on patent licensing.

I think I'm generally against software patents. But copyright is far more abused .. it can be extended virtually forever. Some protection is fine, but too much is oppressive.

-- Owen

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:08 AM, cody dooderson <[hidden email]> wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2012/aug/29/apple-samsung-trucks-nickels-fake

Cody Smith

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Jack Stafurik <[hidden email]> wrote:
The ball is in Apple's court. Do they have the moxie to come up with a
creative reply?

http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sendi
ng-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/

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Barry MacKichan

Re: This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

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The killer with software patents is that to contest a patent infringement suit is at least a $1 million. That means that trolls can sue anyone as long as their case looks remotely plausible to an non-techie judge, and as long as the "back-royalties" are less than a million, the sued party has to roll over and pay. Notice that guilt or innocence or diligent patent searches play no role in this calculus.

--Barry

On Jul 9, 2013, at 10:38 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think I'm generally against software patents. But copyright is far more abused .. it can be extended virtually forever. Some protection is fine, but too much is oppressive.

Robert J. Cordingley

Re: This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

This is worth watching again:
http://www.ted.com/talks/drew_curtis_how_i_beat_a_patent_troll.html
Thanks
Robert C

On 7/9/13 12:34 PM, Barry MacKichan wrote:

The killer with software patents is that to contest a patent infringement suit is at least a $1 million. That means that trolls can sue anyone as long as their case looks remotely plausible to an non-techie judge, and as long as the "back-royalties" are less than a million, the sued party has to roll over and pay. Notice that guilt or innocence or diligent patent searches play no role in this calculus.

--Barry

On Jul 9, 2013, at 10:38 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think I'm generally against software patents. But copyright is far more abused .. it can be extended virtually forever. Some protection is fine, but too much is oppressive.
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