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Nick Thompson

There must be a way!

Hey, all! There were so many copies of copies of copies of copies in the
last sequence of messages that I could not find one of the messages, try as
I might. Is there any way, other than NOT using reply and quoting by hand,
to avoid this effect?

Nick

> [Original Message]
> From: <friam-request at redfish.com>
> To: <friam at redfish.com>
> Date: 12/10/2006 3:36:56 PM
> Subject: Friam Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19
>
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> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: cf "COLLAPSE" and Easter Island (Nicholas Thompson)
> 2. Re: cf "COLLAPSE" and Easter Island (Mikhail Gorelkin)
> 3. Re: Democracy and evolution (Mikhail Gorelkin)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:36:43 -0500
> From: "Nicholas Thompson" <nickthompson at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] cf "COLLAPSE" and Easter Island
> To: friam at redfish.com
> Message-ID: <380-2200612010173643883 at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> THE PROBLEMS::
> 1. societies overspend on infrastructure, and infrastructure costs rise
> faster than GDP, till all surplus is used up and a cost overshoot

happens..

>
> 2. Elites own the infrastructure business and so are motivated to not cut
> back on costs.
>
> THE SOLUTION:
>
> 1. Progressive Taxation
>
> 2. Universal Education.
>
> And one or both of:
>
> 3a. Randomization of babies at birth
>
> 3b. 100 percent death tax.
>
> It's so easy!
>
> Nick
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <friam-request at redfish.com>
> > To: <friam at redfish.com>
> > Date: 12/10/2006 12:00:37 PM
> > Subject: Friam Digest, Vol 42, Issue 18
> >
> > Send Friam mailing list submissions to
> > friam at redfish.com
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
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> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Friam digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: Growth and Climate Change (Marcus G. Daniels)
> > 2. Re: Democracy and evolution (Douglass Carmichael)
> > 3. Re: Democracy and evolution (PPARYSKI at aol.com)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:02:36 -0700
> > From: "Marcus G. Daniels" <mgd at santafe.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Growth and Climate Change
> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > <friam at redfish.com>
> > Message-ID: <457B246C.2050408 at santafe.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Robert Cordingley wrote:
> >
> > > Here's a story to remind us to do full life cycle accounting of
> > > environmental improvements (with apologies to all the Prius owners in
> > > SF and the batteries they use)
> > >
>

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_

> id=417227&in_page_id=1770
> > >
> > I understand that the 2008 Prius will use lithium batteries, not Ni-MH.
> > Not enough uumph? Then set your sights on one of these:
> > http://www.teslamotors.com
> >
> > Also of perhaps of interest: http://www.valence.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:50:19 -0800
> > From: "Douglass Carmichael" <doug at dougcarmichael.com>
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution
> > To: <sy at synapse9.com>, "'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
> > Group'" <friam at redfish.com>
> > Message-ID: <05ab01c71c0e$51768470$f4638d50$@com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Phil, I have been thinking about your comment that you will say

something
> > with implications and nobody responds, like your comment about an
> economic
> > expansion based on our success till we collapse our environment by
eating

> up
> > our own surround. And then you raise the question of bomb hardening of
> > buildings...
> >
> > What of the work of Joseph Tainter, The Collapse of Complex Societies..?
> >
> > To ideas he has
> > 1. societies overspend on infrastructure, and infrastructure costs rise
> > faster than GDP, till all surplus is used up and a cost overshoot
> happens..
> >
> > 2. Elites own the infrastructure business and so are motivated to not

cut
> > back on costs.
> >
> > Your two ideas seem to fit this. Can a smarter human community avoid the
> > evolutionary failures?
> >
> > Any contact with Tainter? I really admire his work. He has been at the
SF

> > Institute..
> >
> > Doug Carmichael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Phil Henshaw
> > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:58 AM
> > To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution
> >
> > well... sort of... For one of a million examples, if we multiply our
> > impacts on the earth by adding 10 billion people this century, how much
> > is that relieved by sending 50 or 100 people off to live somewhere else
> > if they can??? Sometimes we should look at the numbers and the timing
> > of things.
> >
> > It may raise more questons than it answers,... but another one I like is
> > estimating the value of the bomb hardening of federal buildings, like
> > the one I'm building now, a big courthouse. It probably adds at least
> > 10 million to the cost. If you guess there are at least 5000 higher
> > priority targets for terrorists in the US than a courthouse in
> > Mississippi, and terrorists wipe out one a year like clock work, that
> > means it'll be at least 5000 years before they get around to mine.
> > Given that the lifetime of the building is expected to be 100 years it's
> > apparent that nature will build and destroy it at least 50 times before
> > a terrorist does, and the lost opportunity cost of $10 million for 5000
> > years the way you normally calculate it at 3.5% return is 1.8*10^84.
> > That's a lot of bread!!
> >
> >
> > Phil Henshaw ????.?? ? `?.????
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > 680 Ft. Washington Ave
> > NY NY 10040
> > tel: 212-795-4844
> > e-mail: pfh at synapse9.com
> > explorations: www.synapse9.com
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: friam-bounces at redfish.com
> > > [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:28 AM
> > > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution
> > >
> > >
> > > Phil Henshaw wrote:
> > >
> > > >We're simply not making a world that's possible to operate in a huge
> > > >variety of ways.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Here's one way to delay the apocalypse..
> > >
> > http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/11/30/space.hawking.reut/index.html
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
> > --
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12/8/2006
> > 12:53 PM
> >
> >
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12/8/2006

> > 12:53 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 23:38:34 EST
> > From: PPARYSKI at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution
> > To: friam at redfish.com
> > Message-ID: <bde.ad6ef10.32ace94a at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Phil et al: I believe one of the key "popular" books which addresses
> these
> > issues of continuing economic expansion based on an exploitation of
> natural
> > resources with no regard to the environment and the natural systems on
> which we
> > all depend, is Jared Diamond's Collapse. In my mind, the economic
> systems
> > that we have produced cannot continue much longer and, if not us, our
> children
> > and grandchildren will face a much different, more difficult, more
> dangerous
> > world. The proper use of some of our existing tools, such as
> communication,
> > computers, modeling, complexity/chaos theories may help if they are
> properly
> > applied and not just used to reinforce the current systems.
> >
> > For those of you who heard Ian's presentation on group animal movement,
> we
> > might consider humanity to be more akin to locusts, who form swarms out
> of
> > individual hunger and by biting their neighbors to move the group.
> Sigh.
> > Something to think about anyway.
> >
> > Paul Paryski
> > -------------- next part --------------
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> >
> > End of Friam Digest, Vol 42, Issue 18
> > *************************************
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:26:24 -0500
> From: "Mikhail Gorelkin" <gorelkin at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] cf "COLLAPSE" and Easter Island
> To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group"
> <friam at redfish.com>
> Message-ID: <BAY134-DAV21EE9A2C79E7602F2FC32D0D10 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> 2) Elites are not interested in Universal Education.
>
> 3b) How's about Progressive Death Taxation? :-)
>
>
>
> -Mikhail
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicholas Thompson" <nickthompson at earthlink.net>
> To: <friam at redfish.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] cf "COLLAPSE" and Easter Island
>
>
> > THE PROBLEMS::
> > 1. societies overspend on infrastructure, and infrastructure costs rise
> > faster than GDP, till all surplus is used up and a cost overshoot
> > happens..
> >
> > 2. Elites own the infrastructure business and so are motivated to not

cut

> > back on costs.
> >
> > THE SOLUTION:
> >
> > 1. Progressive Taxation
> >
> > 2. Universal Education.
> >
> > And one or both of:
> >
> > 3a. Randomization of babies at birth
> >
> > 3b. 100 percent death tax.
> >
> > It's so easy!
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: <friam-request at redfish.com>
> >> To: <friam at redfish.com>
> >> Date: 12/10/2006 12:00:37 PM
> >> Subject: Friam Digest, Vol 42, Issue 18
> >>
> >> Send Friam mailing list submissions to
> >> friam at redfish.com
> >>
> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >> friam-request at redfish.com
> >>
> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >> friam-owner at redfish.com
> >>
> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >> than "Re: Contents of Friam digest..."
> >>
> >>
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >> 1. Re: Growth and Climate Change (Marcus G. Daniels)
> >> 2. Re: Democracy and evolution (Douglass Carmichael)
> >> 3. Re: Democracy and evolution (PPARYSKI at aol.com)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:02:36 -0700
> >> From: "Marcus G. Daniels" <mgd at santafe.edu>
> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Growth and Climate Change
> >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> >> <friam at redfish.com>
> >> Message-ID: <457B246C.2050408 at santafe.edu>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >>
> >> Robert Cordingley wrote:
> >>
> >> > Here's a story to remind us to do full life cycle accounting of
> >> > environmental improvements (with apologies to all the Prius owners in
> >> > SF and the batteries they use)
> >> >
> >

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_

> > id=417227&in_page_id=1770
> >> >
> >> I understand that the 2008 Prius will use lithium batteries, not Ni-MH.
> >> Not enough uumph? Then set your sights on one of these:
> >> http://www.teslamotors.com
> >>
> >> Also of perhaps of interest: http://www.valence.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:50:19 -0800
> >> From: "Douglass Carmichael" <doug at dougcarmichael.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution
> >> To: <sy at synapse9.com>, "'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
> >> Group'" <friam at redfish.com>
> >> Message-ID: <05ab01c71c0e$51768470$f4638d50$@com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>
> >> Phil, I have been thinking about your comment that you will say

something
> >> with implications and nobody responds, like your comment about an
> > economic
> >> expansion based on our success till we collapse our environment by
eating
> > up
> >> our own surround. And then you raise the question of bomb hardening of
> >> buildings...
> >>
> >> What of the work of Joseph Tainter, The Collapse of Complex
Societies..?
> >>
> >> To ideas he has
> >> 1. societies overspend on infrastructure, and infrastructure costs rise
> >> faster than GDP, till all surplus is used up and a cost overshoot
> > happens..
> >>
> >> 2. Elites own the infrastructure business and so are motivated to not
cut
> >> back on costs.
> >>
> >> Your two ideas seem to fit this. Can a smarter human community avoid
the
> >> evolutionary failures?
> >>
> >> Any contact with Tainter? I really admire his work. He has been at the
SF

> >> Institute..
> >>
> >> Doug Carmichael
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On
> > Behalf
> >> Of Phil Henshaw
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:58 AM
> >> To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution
> >>
> >> well... sort of... For one of a million examples, if we multiply our
> >> impacts on the earth by adding 10 billion people this century, how much
> >> is that relieved by sending 50 or 100 people off to live somewhere else
> >> if they can??? Sometimes we should look at the numbers and the timing
> >> of things.
> >>
> >> It may raise more questons than it answers,... but another one I like

is
> >> estimating the value of the bomb hardening of federal buildings, like
> >> the one I'm building now, a big courthouse. It probably adds at least
> >> 10 million to the cost. If you guess there are at least 5000 higher
> >> priority targets for terrorists in the US than a courthouse in
> >> Mississippi, and terrorists wipe out one a year like clock work, that
> >> means it'll be at least 5000 years before they get around to mine.
> >> Given that the lifetime of the building is expected to be 100 years
it's

> >> apparent that nature will build and destroy it at least 50 times before
> >> a terrorist does, and the lost opportunity cost of $10 million for 5000
> >> years the way you normally calculate it at 3.5% return is 1.8*10^84.
> >> That's a lot of bread!!
> >>
> >>
> >> Phil Henshaw ????.?? ? `?.????
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> 680 Ft. Washington Ave
> >> NY NY 10040
> >> tel: 212-795-4844
> >> e-mail: pfh at synapse9.com
> >> explorations: www.synapse9.com
> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: friam-bounces at redfish.com
> >> > [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels
> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:28 AM
> >> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> >> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Phil Henshaw wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >We're simply not making a world that's possible to operate in a huge
> >> > >variety of ways.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > Here's one way to delay the apocalypse..
> >> >
> >> http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/11/30/space.hawking.reut/index.html
> >>
> >> ============================================================
> >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ============================================================
> >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >>
> >> --
> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date:
> >> 12/8/2006
> >> 12:53 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date:
> >> 12/8/2006
> >> 12:53 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 23:38:34 EST
> >> From: PPARYSKI at aol.com
> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution
> >> To: friam at redfish.com
> >> Message-ID: <bde.ad6ef10.32ace94a at aol.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> Phil et al: I believe one of the key "popular" books which addresses
> > these
> >> issues of continuing economic expansion based on an exploitation of
> > natural
> >> resources with no regard to the environment and the natural systems on
> > which we
> >> all depend, is Jared Diamond's Collapse. In my mind, the economic
> > systems
> >> that we have produced cannot continue much longer and, if not us, our
> > children
> >> and grandchildren will face a much different, more difficult, more
> > dangerous
> >> world. The proper use of some of our existing tools, such as
> > communication,
> >> computers, modeling, complexity/chaos theories may help if they are
> > properly
> >> applied and not just used to reinforce the current systems.
> >>
> >> For those of you who heard Ian's presentation on group animal movement,
> > we
> >> might consider humanity to be more akin to locusts, who form swarms out
> > of
> >> individual hunger and by biting their neighbors to move the group.
> > Sigh.
> >> Something to think about anyway.
> >>
> >> Paul Paryski
> >> -------------- next part --------------
> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> >> URL:
> >

/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20061209/ff6fddbb/attachment-0001.h

> > tml
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Friam mailing list
> >> Friam at redfish.com
> >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
> >>
> >>
> >> End of Friam Digest, Vol 42, Issue 18
> >> *************************************
> >
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:36:30 -0500
> From: "Mikhail Gorelkin" <gorelkin at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution
> To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group"
> <friam at redfish.com>
> Message-ID: <BAY134-DAV4CE769D947F94EAB8D6E0D0D10 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> One more aspect of democracy: it was Western Elites' response to USSR's
> Social Project. --Mikhail
>
>
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >> 1. Re: Growth and Climate Change (Marcus G. Daniels)
> >> 2. Re: Democracy and evolution (Douglass Carmichael)
> >> 3. Re: Democracy and evolution (PPARYSKI at aol.com)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:02:36 -0700
> >> From: "Marcus G. Daniels" <mgd at santafe.edu>
> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Growth and Climate Change
> >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> >> <friam at redfish.com>
> >> Message-ID: <457B246C.2050408 at santafe.edu>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >>
> >> Robert Cordingley wrote:
> >>
> >> > Here's a story to remind us to do full life cycle accounting of
> >> > environmental improvements (with apologies to all the Prius owners in
> >> > SF and the batteries they use)
> >> >
> >

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_

/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20061209/ff6fddbb/attachment-0001.h

Marcus G. Daniels-3

There must be a way!

Nicholas Thompson wrote:
> Is there any way, other than NOT using reply and quoting by hand, to avoid this effect?
>
er. is that to say you don't like minimalistic quoting by hand? I tend
to prefer that because then it absolutely clear what is being responded
to, and if the quoting is inadequate then readers can rightly complain
too. In this case I'm not quoting the part describing "this effect"
because I'm not sure what the effect is. I mean, a quote from a digest
e-mail ought to be complete, if left untouched, right? Now, I don't
prefer but also don't strongly object to such quoting. I does at least
communicate that the particular reader is reading in batch which is
potentially a useful insight to have about a correspondent. If someone
feels they are being taken out of context, they can always pull URLs
from the archive to prove it.

Phil Henshaw-2

There must be a way!

yea, that works. not much else. The problem I have is really with
receiving a daily digests of posts. The server can try to limit quoted
text to 20 lines or something, like the LYRIS list manager does, but
then it only works when it can recognize the difference. I've decided
to try to remember to erase most of the chain, switch my settings to get
separate emails rather than digests, and keep the archive link handy in
my web browser. The latter works the best, and would be a good
solution for list managers too, to include a link to the current page in
the archive in every post.

The wish list item? Why the hell doesn't someone invent a readable
quoting format. The old reliable '>' prefix for every line is really a
pain when it splits lines erratically. It would be a fairly simple
programming task to train a text reader not to do that it would seem to
me!

Phil Henshaw ????.?? ? `?.????
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
680 Ft. Washington Ave
NY NY 10040
tel: 212-795-4844
e-mail: pfh at synapse9.com
explorations: www.synapse9.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: friam-bounces at redfish.com
> [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 2:16 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] There must be a way!
>
>
> Nicholas Thompson wrote:
> > Is there any way, other than NOT using reply and quoting by
> hand, to
> > avoid this effect?
> >
> er. is that to say you don't like minimalistic quoting by
> hand? I tend
> to prefer that because then it absolutely clear what is being
> responded
> to, and if the quoting is inadequate then readers can rightly
> complain
> too. In this case I'm not quoting the part describing "this effect"
> because I'm not sure what the effect is. I mean, a quote
> from a digest
> e-mail ought to be complete, if left untouched, right? Now, I don't
> prefer but also don't strongly object to such quoting. I
> does at least
> communicate that the particular reader is reading in batch which is
> potentially a useful insight to have about a correspondent.
> If someone
> feels they are being taken out of context, they can always pull URLs
> from the archive to prove it.
>
>
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