The year ahead

[Merle Lefkoff-2]

		Bekah Wolf January 8 at 7:17am
A year ago, an action against deportations:  https://www.facebook.com/toni.arenstein/videos/10208311021676102/ 2017 is going to be the year of mass resistance.  This is only thing that works now to overcome our slide toward endless war and increasing social injustice.  These protests and the larger social movements emerging all over the world are self-organizing systems with much to say about applied Complexity.   Visit our website:  ecosgathering.org.  Enough blah, blah.  Time for action.

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[Gary Schiltz-4]

What really worries me about the USA is how polarized the society there is, so "mass resistance" will certainly, at least in the short term, increase this polarization. From the standpoint of this on-the-fence liberal, it would be nice to have the luxury to be able to see the "other side" as being evil, so that I wouldn't care how they feel. The problem for me is that I can't, since many of the people I grew up with, including nearly all of my family, are part of that other side. And I see their point of view on a lot of issues. No way could I ever support Trump, but a lot of good people really do. And I don't know how to deal with this. I sure as hell don't want to see another civil war, but sometimes I think the passions are strong enough to instigate one.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

		Bekah Wolf January 8 at 7:17am
A year ago, an action against deportations:  https://www.facebook.com/toni.arenstein/videos/10208311021676102/ 2017 is going to be the year of mass resistance.  This is only thing that works now to overcome our slide toward endless war and increasing social injustice.  These protests and the larger social movements emerging all over the world are self-organizing systems with much to say about applied Complexity.   Visit our website:  ecosgathering.org.  Enough blah, blah.  Time for action.

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[Tom Johnson]

How to Destroy the Business Model of Breitbart and Fake News

Many companies don’t know that their ads are appearing next to abhorrent content. Tell them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/07/opinion/sunday/how-to-destroy-the-business-model-of-breitbart-and-fake-news.html

On Jan 9, 2017 3:25 AM, "Gary Schiltz" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What really worries me about the USA is how polarized the society there is, so "mass resistance" will certainly, at least in the short term, increase this polarization. From the standpoint of this on-the-fence liberal, it would be nice to have the luxury to be able to see the "other side" as being evil, so that I wouldn't care how they feel. The problem for me is that I can't, since many of the people I grew up with, including nearly all of my family, are part of that other side. And I see their point of view on a lot of issues. No way could I ever support Trump, but a lot of good people really do. And I don't know how to deal with this. I sure as hell don't want to see another civil war, but sometimes I think the passions are strong enough to instigate one.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

		Bekah Wolf January 8 at 7:17am
A year ago, an action against deportations:  https://www.facebook.com/toni.arenstein/videos/10208311021676102/ 2017 is going to be the year of mass resistance.  This is only thing that works now to overcome our slide toward endless war and increasing social injustice.  These protests and the larger social movements emerging all over the world are self-organizing systems with much to say about applied Complexity.   Visit our website:  ecosgathering.org.  Enough blah, blah.  Time for action.

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[Merle Lefkoff-2]

Your candor and honest reflection is refreshing, Gary.  And I agree with you. I'm a recovering international mediator, and in addition to teaching graduate students in Canada in a course titled "Complexity Thinking for Integrative Peacebuilding", I also teach in the Buddhist chaplaincy program at Upaya Zen Center--so I try never to see "the other" as evil.  Some of the men I've had at the table over the years in negotiations had committed truly evil acts, but they are human beings nonetheless.  I've become quite radical as our trusted systems at every level are collapsing, and that's what is promoting revolutionary resistance.  In order for social movements to be successful they must remain relentlessly non-violent, and they must have as part of the self-organizing process some sense of how to replace the structures underlying the failed systems that they have disabled.  Facilitating that process is, I believe, part of our political work as Complexity thinkers.  If you're interested, a paper I wrote on applying CAS principles to social movements has just been published in an academic Canadian peace journal.  I'll send it if you like.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

What really worries me about the USA is how polarized the society there is, so "mass resistance" will certainly, at least in the short term, increase this polarization. From the standpoint of this on-the-fence liberal, it would be nice to have the luxury to be able to see the "other side" as being evil, so that I wouldn't care how they feel. The problem for me is that I can't, since many of the people I grew up with, including nearly all of my family, are part of that other side. And I see their point of view on a lot of issues. No way could I ever support Trump, but a lot of good people really do. And I don't know how to deal with this. I sure as hell don't want to see another civil war, but sometimes I think the passions are strong enough to instigate one.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

		Bekah Wolf January 8 at 7:17am
A year ago, an action against deportations:  https://www.facebook.com/toni.arenstein/videos/10208311021676102/ 2017 is going to be the year of mass resistance.  This is only thing that works now to overcome our slide toward endless war and increasing social injustice.  These protests and the larger social movements emerging all over the world are self-organizing systems with much to say about applied Complexity.   Visit our website:  ecosgathering.org.  Enough blah, blah.  Time for action.

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[Gary Schiltz-4]

Merle, I think a lot about what makes ultraconservatives the way they are, since as I said, the majority of my family is of that mindset. I grew up on a farm in Kansas, so I do relate somewhat to the people I grew up with. However, I left that life behind decades ago, and have come to see how narrow-minded they (and I) can be. I believe a large part of it has to do with male authoratarianism. I remember a recent Facebook post by one of my cousins that said something along the lines of "people have forgotten what an alpha male is like, and Trump is going to show them." This is closely tied to the religious fundamentalism of the south, which to my thinking, is damn close to that of Christian cults (I don't have any personal experience, just going by what I've read about figures like David Koresh and the Branch Dividians, and the Hollywood prortrayal of them). Somewhere in this mix, a big dose of fear of the government controlling our lives leads to fierce defense of the right to have guns - despite the more "moderate" views in the NRA of needing guns for hunting and self defense, the most strongly held view is that they are necessary to take back the country if the government gets too powerful. I must admit being torn on that issue myself. I don't buy the whole "I'll give up my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands" mindset, but I'm also pretty suspicious of an overly strong centralized government. You can take the boy out of the country...

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

Your candor and honest reflection is refreshing, Gary.  And I agree with you. I'm a recovering international mediator, and in addition to teaching graduate students in Canada in a course titled "Complexity Thinking for Integrative Peacebuilding", I also teach in the Buddhist chaplaincy program at Upaya Zen Center--so I try never to see "the other" as evil.  Some of the men I've had at the table over the years in negotiations had committed truly evil acts, but they are human beings nonetheless.  I've become quite radical as our trusted systems at every level are collapsing, and that's what is promoting revolutionary resistance.  In order for social movements to be successful they must remain relentlessly non-violent, and they must have as part of the self-organizing process some sense of how to replace the structures underlying the failed systems that they have disabled.  Facilitating that process is, I believe, part of our political work as Complexity thinkers.  If you're interested, a paper I wrote on applying CAS principles to social movements has just been published in an academic Canadian peace journal.  I'll send it if you like.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

What really worries me about the USA is how polarized the society there is, so "mass resistance" will certainly, at least in the short term, increase this polarization. From the standpoint of this on-the-fence liberal, it would be nice to have the luxury to be able to see the "other side" as being evil, so that I wouldn't care how they feel. The problem for me is that I can't, since many of the people I grew up with, including nearly all of my family, are part of that other side. And I see their point of view on a lot of issues. No way could I ever support Trump, but a lot of good people really do. And I don't know how to deal with this. I sure as hell don't want to see another civil war, but sometimes I think the passions are strong enough to instigate one.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

		Bekah Wolf January 8 at 7:17am
A year ago, an action against deportations:  https://www.facebook.com/toni.arenstein/videos/10208311021676102/ 2017 is going to be the year of mass resistance.  This is only thing that works now to overcome our slide toward endless war and increasing social injustice.  These protests and the larger social movements emerging all over the world are self-organizing systems with much to say about applied Complexity.   Visit our website:  ecosgathering.org.  Enough blah, blah.  Time for action.

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[Merle Lefkoff-2]

Our ideas and beliefs are governed by many variables, and change is very hard.  I grew up in rural South Carolina.  I think the key to being a good person who does not cause additional harm in a very scary world, is a good education that teaches us to be as open to new ideas as possible.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

Merle, I think a lot about what makes ultraconservatives the way they are, since as I said, the majority of my family is of that mindset. I grew up on a farm in Kansas, so I do relate somewhat to the people I grew up with. However, I left that life behind decades ago, and have come to see how narrow-minded they (and I) can be. I believe a large part of it has to do with male authoratarianism. I remember a recent Facebook post by one of my cousins that said something along the lines of "people have forgotten what an alpha male is like, and Trump is going to show them." This is closely tied to the religious fundamentalism of the south, which to my thinking, is damn close to that of Christian cults (I don't have any personal experience, just going by what I've read about figures like David Koresh and the Branch Dividians, and the Hollywood prortrayal of them). Somewhere in this mix, a big dose of fear of the government controlling our lives leads to fierce defense of the right to have guns - despite the more "moderate" views in the NRA of needing guns for hunting and self defense, the most strongly held view is that they are necessary to take back the country if the government gets too powerful. I must admit being torn on that issue myself. I don't buy the whole "I'll give up my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands" mindset, but I'm also pretty suspicious of an overly strong centralized government. You can take the boy out of the country...

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

Your candor and honest reflection is refreshing, Gary.  And I agree with you. I'm a recovering international mediator, and in addition to teaching graduate students in Canada in a course titled "Complexity Thinking for Integrative Peacebuilding", I also teach in the Buddhist chaplaincy program at Upaya Zen Center--so I try never to see "the other" as evil.  Some of the men I've had at the table over the years in negotiations had committed truly evil acts, but they are human beings nonetheless.  I've become quite radical as our trusted systems at every level are collapsing, and that's what is promoting revolutionary resistance.  In order for social movements to be successful they must remain relentlessly non-violent, and they must have as part of the self-organizing process some sense of how to replace the structures underlying the failed systems that they have disabled.  Facilitating that process is, I believe, part of our political work as Complexity thinkers.  If you're interested, a paper I wrote on applying CAS principles to social movements has just been published in an academic Canadian peace journal.  I'll send it if you like.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

What really worries me about the USA is how polarized the society there is, so "mass resistance" will certainly, at least in the short term, increase this polarization. From the standpoint of this on-the-fence liberal, it would be nice to have the luxury to be able to see the "other side" as being evil, so that I wouldn't care how they feel. The problem for me is that I can't, since many of the people I grew up with, including nearly all of my family, are part of that other side. And I see their point of view on a lot of issues. No way could I ever support Trump, but a lot of good people really do. And I don't know how to deal with this. I sure as hell don't want to see another civil war, but sometimes I think the passions are strong enough to instigate one.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

		Bekah Wolf January 8 at 7:17am
A year ago, an action against deportations:  https://www.facebook.com/toni.arenstein/videos/10208311021676102/ 2017 is going to be the year of mass resistance.  This is only thing that works now to overcome our slide toward endless war and increasing social injustice.  These protests and the larger social movements emerging all over the world are self-organizing systems with much to say about applied Complexity.   Visit our website:  ecosgathering.org.  Enough blah, blah.  Time for action.

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[Steve Smith]

Gary -

 I remember a recent Facebook post by one of my cousins that said something along the lines of "people have forgotten what an alpha male is like, and Trump is going to show them."

I have been enjoying this kind of rhetoric among my Trumpian friends.  It gives me the opportunity to exhibit my own often-hidden alpha male side.  I'm the guy who doesn't anger easily at all, but somehow manages to break up every bar-fight I have witnessed...  other's anger and/or alpha-male behaviour brings mine out in (usually) fairly balanced and productive way.   I think I am not the only one.  I think we will see plenty of presumed "yellow bellied liberals" stepping up into the face of these "alpha males".   It will include females and plenty of all gender identifications who do not identify as alpha.   I recently saw a grey haired woman with a firm jaw and a steely gaze wearing a T-shirt that said "this pussy bites back!"   I've got her back (if she needs it).

This is closely tied to the religious fundamentalism of the south, which to my thinking, is damn close to that of Christian cults (I don't have any personal experience, just going by what I've read about figures like David Koresh and the Branch Dividians, and the Hollywood prortrayal of them).

There was a pretty good story/study on the history of the southern (redneck/hillbilly/???) aesthetic/mind-set, I'll try to find the reference.  My parents were both born and raised in the hIlls of Kentucky.  They identified as escaped or reformed, or recovering hillbillies.   They moved west in 1949 for my father to become a professional forester... "picnic" in the woods every day he called the work.  They left behind most if not all of their Applachian legacy.  The premise of the story had to do with the marginalized Scots-Irish immigrants on the eastern seaboard who flooded through the Cumberland Gap and then spread south as the pressures of civilization squeezed these strong people who had the wicked-pride and quick tempers of their "Highlander" forefathers.  These were the people for whom Hadrian had to build a wall, not unlike the one in China to slow the Mongols.    The story included a study (I think using MRIs) showing that their subjects had an instant fight/flight response from stimuli that others did not... basically anything vaguely affronting their honor, triggered this.  I think the conclusion that this was a result of nurture, not nature, that there was something in the culture that propogated habituation to this response, not genetics.   I  think the recent book "Hillbilly Elegy" also touches on these topics.

I grew up in western redneckia, another hillbilly culture really.   And I mean that fondly.  Salt of the Earth, hard working people who got their hands dirty every day, left plenty of sweat, and sometimes tears and blood behind on their work product (cattle, ore, timber).  They worked in what is now considered "extractive industries" (ranching, mining, logging). In their mind, they are the *source* of all good and necessary things.  If you eat food or grain or produce from a store, use toilet paper, copper wire, or 2x4s, you have to admit they are "onto" something there.  They had good reason to be proud, but in my estimation, for better or worse, the time for that work and the way of life required to be good at is now long past.  THEY came from two types of stock.  Hispanic descendents from the Rio Grande Valley who moved 100+ miles west to "greener pastures" in the 1850s.  Younger sons of new world "nobility" who would not inherit much if anything in a strongly paternal/patronage system.  And then a flood of Confederate Soldiers after their defeat in the 1860s.   The former were pastoral, the latter ranged from being "wild cowboys" to literal outlaws (think Billy the Kid, Ketchum, Evans, Kinney, High Fives, etc) .   The tale of Elfego Baca is a good read.  So is Conagher (L'Amour).  Romanticizes both sides of that equation.   I grew up with both Bacas and McCarty's, descendents of these two proud if nuttier than a fruitcake "hillbilly families" there WAS cultural if not genetic inbreeding afoot.    This town (Village of Reserve, county of Catron, NM) voted to *require* every head of household to own a gun.  I'm sure my entire 1st grade class of 20 now own guns (with ammo) including the girls.  I don't know how well it was enforced... but you get the drift.  

Somewhere in this mix, a big dose of fear of the government controlling our lives leads to fierce defense of the right to have guns - despite the more "moderate" views in the NRA of needing guns for hunting and self defense, the most strongly held view is that they are necessary to take back the country if the government gets too powerful. I must admit being torn on that issue myself. I don't buy the whole "I'll give up my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands" mindset, but I'm also pretty suspicious of an overly strong centralized government. You can take the boy out of the country...

This town (Village of Reserve, county of Catron, NM) voted to *require* every head of household to own a gun.  

I also lived in the Mining and Smelter towns of Silver City, NM and Douglas AZ.  Different but not that much.

There is still a lot of country in this boy too, thank Gawdess I found my way out of most of the narrow thought patterns of those I grew up among, bless their hearts.  

I own a gun, but no ammunition, otherwise I might use it.

I identify as Viking, but maybe I'm all Pict? 

Don't piss me off Donald, I'm telling ya!  Not all "alpha-white-males" want anything to do with you, your bully style, and your privileged, xenophobic, misogynistic ways.  I attribute much of my "recovery" to a good general education in the Arts and Sciences... I think if I'd gone straight engineering or business or some "trade",  I could have missed the philosophy, anthropology, psychology, literature, and other bits I needed to "become more human".  If I'd gone straight into the workforce (in some extractive industry?) ditto. 

I have very well trained (not educated?) friends who probably voted a straight ticket of Reagan/Bush/Bush/Trump right down the line, and are very proud of their "rational practicality" or somesuch.   We may yet have folks on the list here who feel this way.  I'm sorry if we squelch your voice...  I voted for Reagan once, that cured me, but it has been a long recovery beyond that.  

We all take different paths.

Carry on,
 - Steve


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[Marcus G. Daniels]

Gary writes:

 

“From the standpoint of this on-the-fence liberal, it would be nice to have the luxury to be able to see the "other side" as being evil, so that I wouldn't care how they feel. The problem for me is that I can't, since many of the people I grew up with, including nearly all of my family, are part of that other side. And I see their point of view on a lot of issues.”

 

New acquaintances are just as good in my book as old acquaintances.   Really, it was blessing to experience the bad old acquaintances as it created a drive to find something else.   (I’ll take the country out of the boy myself, thank you very much.)  Exactly what that `something else’ was, I didn’t know (and still don’t), but it has more features over time.   For example, one feature is curiosity, another feature is a desire to facilitate individual autonomy.   So, it is not a question of evil, simply that (the bad old) acquaintances lack those features; I know they won’t advance any cause I really care about.   Some acquaintances pursue contrary values like suspicion of disagreement or a desire for a group identity.   So, sure, I know people on the other side, but I’ve come to value other people more.   Actually, I would like to think I care less about individuals than I do the features.  Of course, some individuals are extremely good at developing or destroying features, so I have stronger opinions about them.

 

My experience (as a country boy) is that change isn’t just hard, it is sometimes impossible and often fought to the last breath.   It’s wildly optimistic to think education will make the difference.   More tools are needed.

 

Marcus

 

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[Owen Densmore]

Merle: Yes please, I'd love to see the paper. Maybe just send to the list?

Did you ever publish an article about the meeting held in Ireland with the women from the middle east about peaceful coexistence? I recall you're being excited about the vocabulary of CAS being quite useful.

If Agent Based Modeling is of use, http://agentscript.org is a project I'm working on, moving it into it's second version now.

   -- Owen

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 11:30 PM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gary writes:

 

“From the standpoint of this on-the-fence liberal, it would be nice to have the luxury to be able to see the "other side" as being evil, so that I wouldn't care how they feel. The problem for me is that I can't, since many of the people I grew up with, including nearly all of my family, are part of that other side. And I see their point of view on a lot of issues.”

 

New acquaintances are just as good in my book as old acquaintances.   Really, it was blessing to experience the bad old acquaintances as it created a drive to find something else.   (I’ll take the country out of the boy myself, thank you very much.)  Exactly what that `something else’ was, I didn’t know (and still don’t), but it has more features over time.   For example, one feature is curiosity, another feature is a desire to facilitate individual autonomy.   So, it is not a question of evil, simply that (the bad old) acquaintances lack those features; I know they won’t advance any cause I really care about.   Some acquaintances pursue contrary values like suspicion of disagreement or a desire for a group identity.   So, sure, I know people on the other side, but I’ve come to value other people more.   Actually, I would like to think I care less about individuals than I do the features.  Of course, some individuals are extremely good at developing or destroying features, so I have stronger opinions about them.

 

My experience (as a country boy) is that change isn’t just hard, it is sometimes impossible and often fought to the last breath.   It’s wildly optimistic to think education will make the difference.   More tools are needed.

 

Marcus

 

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[Owen Densmore]

Interesting, thanks Tom. 

BTW: Breitbart is apparently famous for malvertising, ads with malware. That's why I unabashedly use an ad blocker, and better yet, use Brave, the browser of the future, I hope.

   -- Owen 

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

How to Destroy the Business Model of Breitbart and Fake News

Many companies don’t know that their ads are appearing next to abhorrent content. Tell them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/07/opinion/sunday/how-to-destroy-the-business-model-of-breitbart-and-fake-news.html

On Jan 9, 2017 3:25 AM, "Gary Schiltz" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What really worries me about the USA is how polarized the society there is, so "mass resistance" will certainly, at least in the short term, increase this polarization. From the standpoint of this on-the-fence liberal, it would be nice to have the luxury to be able to see the "other side" as being evil, so that I wouldn't care how they feel. The problem for me is that I can't, since many of the people I grew up with, including nearly all of my family, are part of that other side. And I see their point of view on a lot of issues. No way could I ever support Trump, but a lot of good people really do. And I don't know how to deal with this. I sure as hell don't want to see another civil war, but sometimes I think the passions are strong enough to instigate one.

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		Bekah Wolf January 8 at 7:17am
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[Owen Densmore]

Steve: You might like the RedNeck Liberal.

  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTHsQd-vRXK1bp4vpifl6yA

   -- Owen

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gary -

 I remember a recent Facebook post by one of my cousins that said something along the lines of "people have forgotten what an alpha male is like, and Trump is going to show them."

I have been enjoying this kind of rhetoric among my Trumpian friends.  It gives me the opportunity to exhibit my own often-hidden alpha male side.  I'm the guy who doesn't anger easily at all, but somehow manages to break up every bar-fight I have witnessed...  other's anger and/or alpha-male behaviour brings mine out in (usually) fairly balanced and productive way.   I think I am not the only one.  I think we will see plenty of presumed "yellow bellied liberals" stepping up into the face of these "alpha males".   It will include females and plenty of all gender identifications who do not identify as alpha.   I recently saw a grey haired woman with a firm jaw and a steely gaze wearing a T-shirt that said "this pussy bites back!"   I've got her back (if she needs it).

This is closely tied to the religious fundamentalism of the south, which to my thinking, is damn close to that of Christian cults (I don't have any personal experience, just going by what I've read about figures like David Koresh and the Branch Dividians, and the Hollywood prortrayal of them).

There was a pretty good story/study on the history of the southern (redneck/hillbilly/???) aesthetic/mind-set, I'll try to find the reference.  My parents were both born and raised in the hIlls of Kentucky.  They identified as escaped or reformed, or recovering hillbillies.   They moved west in 1949 for my father to become a professional forester... "picnic" in the woods every day he called the work.  They left behind most if not all of their Applachian legacy.  The premise of the story had to do with the marginalized Scots-Irish immigrants on the eastern seaboard who flooded through the Cumberland Gap and then spread south as the pressures of civilization squeezed these strong people who had the wicked-pride and quick tempers of their "Highlander" forefathers.  These were the people for whom Hadrian had to build a wall, not unlike the one in China to slow the Mongols.    The story included a study (I think using MRIs) showing that their subjects had an instant fight/flight response from stimuli that others did not... basically anything vaguely affronting their honor, triggered this.  I think the conclusion that this was a result of nurture, not nature, that there was something in the culture that propogated habituation to this response, not genetics.   I  think the recent book "Hillbilly Elegy" also touches on these topics.

I grew up in western redneckia, another hillbilly culture really.   And I mean that fondly.  Salt of the Earth, hard working people who got their hands dirty every day, left plenty of sweat, and sometimes tears and blood behind on their work product (cattle, ore, timber).  They worked in what is now considered "extractive industries" (ranching, mining, logging). In their mind, they are the *source* of all good and necessary things.  If you eat food or grain or produce from a store, use toilet paper, copper wire, or 2x4s, you have to admit they are "onto" something there.  They had good reason to be proud, but in my estimation, for better or worse, the time for that work and the way of life required to be good at is now long past.  THEY came from two types of stock.  Hispanic descendents from the Rio Grande Valley who moved 100+ miles west to "greener pastures" in the 1850s.  Younger sons of new world "nobility" who would not inherit much if anything in a strongly paternal/patronage system.  And then a flood of Confederate Soldiers after their defeat in the 1860s.   The former were pastoral, the latter ranged from being "wild cowboys" to literal outlaws (think Billy the Kid, Ketchum, Evans, Kinney, High Fives, etc) .   The tale of Elfego Baca is a good read.  So is Conagher (L'Amour).  Romanticizes both sides of that equation.   I grew up with both Bacas and McCarty's, descendents of these two proud if nuttier than a fruitcake "hillbilly families" there WAS cultural if not genetic inbreeding afoot.    This town (Village of Reserve, county of Catron, NM) voted to *require* every head of household to own a gun.  I'm sure my entire 1st grade class of 20 now own guns (with ammo) including the girls.  I don't know how well it was enforced... but you get the drift.  

Somewhere in this mix, a big dose of fear of the government controlling our lives leads to fierce defense of the right to have guns - despite the more "moderate" views in the NRA of needing guns for hunting and self defense, the most strongly held view is that they are necessary to take back the country if the government gets too powerful. I must admit being torn on that issue myself. I don't buy the whole "I'll give up my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands" mindset, but I'm also pretty suspicious of an overly strong centralized government. You can take the boy out of the country...

This town (Village of Reserve, county of Catron, NM) voted to *require* every head of household to own a gun.  

I also lived in the Mining and Smelter towns of Silver City, NM and Douglas AZ.  Different but not that much.

There is still a lot of country in this boy too, thank Gawdess I found my way out of most of the narrow thought patterns of those I grew up among, bless their hearts.  

I own a gun, but no ammunition, otherwise I might use it.

I identify as Viking, but maybe I'm all Pict? 

Don't piss me off Donald, I'm telling ya!  Not all "alpha-white-males" want anything to do with you, your bully style, and your privileged, xenophobic, misogynistic ways.  I attribute much of my "recovery" to a good general education in the Arts and Sciences... I think if I'd gone straight engineering or business or some "trade",  I could have missed the philosophy, anthropology, psychology, literature, and other bits I needed to "become more human".  If I'd gone straight into the workforce (in some extractive industry?) ditto. 

I have very well trained (not educated?) friends who probably voted a straight ticket of Reagan/Bush/Bush/Trump right down the line, and are very proud of their "rational practicality" or somesuch.   We may yet have folks on the list here who feel this way.  I'm sorry if we squelch your voice...  I voted for Reagan once, that cured me, but it has been a long recovery beyond that.  

We all take different paths.

Carry on,
 - Steve

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[Joe Spinden]

@Owen  What can you tell us about the Brave browser ?

Joe

On 1/9/17 10:00 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

Interesting, thanks Tom. 

BTW: Breitbart is apparently famous for malvertising, ads with malware. That's why I unabashedly use an ad blocker, and better yet, use Brave, the browser of the future, I hope.

   -- Owen 

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

How to Destroy the Business Model of Breitbart and Fake News

Many companies don’t know that their ads are appearing next to abhorrent content. Tell them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/07/opinion/sunday/how-to-destroy-the-business-model-of-breitbart-and-fake-news.html

On Jan 9, 2017 3:25 AM, "Gary Schiltz" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What really worries me about the USA is how polarized the society there is, so "mass resistance" will certainly, at least in the short term, increase this polarization. From the standpoint of this on-the-fence liberal, it would be nice to have the luxury to be able to see the "other side" as being evil, so that I wouldn't care how they feel. The problem for me is that I can't, since many of the people I grew up with, including nearly all of my family, are part of that other side. And I see their point of view on a lot of issues. No way could I ever support Trump, but a lot of good people really do. And I don't know how to deal with this. I sure as hell don't want to see another civil war, but sometimes I think the passions are strong enough to instigate one.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

		Bekah Wolf January 8 at 7:17am
A year ago, an action against deportations:  https://www.facebook.com/toni.arenstein/videos/10208311021676102/ 2017 is going to be the year of mass resistance.  This is only thing that works now to overcome our slide toward endless war and increasing social injustice.  These protests and the larger social movements emerging all over the world are self-organizing systems with much to say about applied Complexity.   Visit our website:  ecosgathering.org.  Enough blah, blah.  Time for action.

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[Owen Densmore]

https://brave.com/about.html sez:

We have a mission to save the web by increasing browsing speed and safety for users, while growing ad revenue share for content creators.

I.e. resolve the advertising privacy/malware problem while providing an income stream for content providers currently using ads.

It's currently the fastest browser simply due to not including bloat.

It is based on chrome's v8 engine, thus developer friendly. 

They are working on formalizing "good" ads, much like html5 defined "good audio/video" and ridding us of flash. 

It will use bitcoin for funding content providers brave users visit via micropayments.

So it's an idea to make the web a lot safer by defining standards needed by content providers for advertising and other funding.

   -- Owen

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Joe Spinden <[hidden email]> wrote:

@Owen  What can you tell us about the Brave browser ?

Joe

On 1/9/17 10:00 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

Interesting, thanks Tom. 

BTW: Breitbart is apparently famous for malvertising, ads with malware. That's why I unabashedly use an ad blocker, and better yet, use Brave, the browser of the future, I hope.

   -- Owen 

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

How to Destroy the Business Model of Breitbart and Fake News

Many companies don’t know that their ads are appearing next to abhorrent content. Tell them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/07/opinion/sunday/how-to-destroy-the-business-model-of-breitbart-and-fake-news.html

On Jan 9, 2017 3:25 AM, "Gary Schiltz" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What really worries me about the USA is how polarized the society there is, so "mass resistance" will certainly, at least in the short term, increase this polarization. From the standpoint of this on-the-fence liberal, it would be nice to have the luxury to be able to see the "other side" as being evil, so that I wouldn't care how they feel. The problem for me is that I can't, since many of the people I grew up with, including nearly all of my family, are part of that other side. And I see their point of view on a lot of issues. No way could I ever support Trump, but a lot of good people really do. And I don't know how to deal with this. I sure as hell don't want to see another civil war, but sometimes I think the passions are strong enough to instigate one.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

		Bekah Wolf January 8 at 7:17am
A year ago, an action against deportations:  https://www.facebook.com/toni.arenstein/videos/10208311021676102/ 2017 is going to be the year of mass resistance.  This is only thing that works now to overcome our slide toward endless war and increasing social injustice.  These protests and the larger social movements emerging all over the world are self-organizing systems with much to say about applied Complexity.   Visit our website:  ecosgathering.org.  Enough blah, blah.  Time for action.

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[gepr]

Have you turned on Payments?  And if so, how much money are you spending?

On 01/09/2017 10:20 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> It will use bitcoin for funding content providers brave users visit via micropayments.

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[Steve Smith]

Steve: You might like the RedNeck Liberal.

  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTHsQd-vRXK1bp4vpifl6yA

Thanks!

His line: "being prejudiced against poor white poeple with a twang, still counts as prejudiced"  hits home. 

I might identify with "country" but not with "southern".  I hear the voices of my relatives from KY and TN and all I can think of is "ignorant, racist whackjob!"  but half of them are none of that and of the other half, only a few are racist and a few more are ignorant (though the former is a proper subset of the latter).

I identify more with a mixed culture of hispanic, native and anglo (not just this area but other parts of NM/AZ) from the mountains and deserts of the rocky mountain region.   I think the isolation of rural living combined with the *extractive industy* is the main problem.   Rust Belters and modern farmers every where seem pretty similar as well!

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[Owen Densmore]

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:56 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:

Have you turned on Payments?  And if so, how much money are you spending?

On 01/09/2017 10:20 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> It will use bitcoin for funding content providers brave users visit via micropayments.

​Alas, not yet. Mainly because it's early in the game and I don't yet "get it" in terms of how they standardize web advertising. Also, the nytimes which I like a lot, still nags me and I'm not sure how to make them aware of how important this movement is.

The other issue is that I'd prefer it if they had a 501c3 organization handle the payments, because this makes it easier for me to pay them, being retired and living on investments.

If you try it, let us know how it goes.

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[Robert J. Cordingley]

“Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.” ― Aristotle, The Philosophy of Aristotle and from Psychology Today a build and an argument to get control of the media too: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-power-rest/201303/give-us-kid-till-shes-7-and-well-have-her-life

Timing and Marketing is everything.

Robert C

On 1/8/17 11:30 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

It’s wildly optimistic to think education will make the difference.

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[Merle Lefkoff-2]

Why won't education make (a?) difference?

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Robert J. Cordingley <[hidden email]> wrote:

“Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.” ― Aristotle, The Philosophy of Aristotle and from Psychology Today a build and an argument to get control of the media too: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-power-rest/201303/give-us-kid-till-shes-7-and-well-have-her-life

Timing and Marketing is everything.

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On 1/8/17 11:30 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

It’s wildly optimistic to think education will make the difference.

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[Gillian Densmore]

Just to poke fun at this whole thing:

I love being a skunk good amount of experience but it's pretty wonky keeping my modest career going.

A man in his 70's, arguably neurotic and xenophic, possibly Autistic as well, has a history of tanking what ever he does? Sure no problem be the countries person-to-organize things

Anyone else both amused and bothered by that? Do we not see a problem here? 

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

Why won't education make (a?) difference?

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Robert J. Cordingley <[hidden email]> wrote:

“Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.” ― Aristotle, The Philosophy of Aristotle and from Psychology Today a build and an argument to get control of the media too: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-power-rest/201303/give-us-kid-till-shes-7-and-well-have-her-life

Timing and Marketing is everything.

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On 1/8/17 11:30 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

It’s wildly optimistic to think education will make the difference.

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[Marcus G. Daniels]

IMO, it is like a tradeoff between adhesion and cohesion.   Education creates something to adhere to (or, more positively, to build upon), but in order for it to break local cohesive strength (of a local community full of chuch-goers, rednecks, etc.), it has to be pretty strong.   Merely being a little more enlightened doesn’t give that individual much more power in their world (and in some cases less by being a sore thumb that conspicuously sticks out), so many opt to conform to the norms of their community.   If you dive off the springboard, there better be water visible below.   

 

Or think of education as being a magnet (or set of magnets), that, to first order gives a `right answer’, bias, or politically correct answer for a set of questions.   The uniformity of this field causes the influenced to look like many other influenced individuals.   But a rural person doesn’t have endless opportunities for social training compared to a person in a city.   Even if they are `as well biased’ by the magnets, they won’t necessarily seem that way because of how they interact.  Such individuals from the country are at not a competitive advantage to those in metropolitan regions.  They have fewer networking opportunities and less support infrastructure (e.g. subways).   So, low adhesion and high cohesion naturally leads to insular communities which have arbitrary, narrow, and prescriptive lifestyles.

 

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Why won't education make (a?) difference?

 

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Robert J. Cordingley <[hidden email]> wrote:

“Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.” ― Aristotle, The Philosophy of Aristotle and from Psychology Today a build and an argument to get control of the media too: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-power-rest/201303/give-us-kid-till-shes-7-and-well-have-her-life

Timing and Marketing is everything.

Robert C

 

On 1/8/17 11:30 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

It’s wildly optimistic to think education will make the difference.

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