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Jochen Fromm-5

The last bookstore

Do you think bookstores may die out? They have become rare here in Europe.

In L.A. there is a nice used bookstore named "The Last Bookstore"

http://lastbookstorela.com

When Biden has won and Covid is gone next year I would like to visit California, including L.A. and San Francisco, before the last bookstore is gone.

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gepr

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They might. But I'm spending a good portion of my income at the local ones. If you're visiting book stores, you must visit this one. A whole city block, multiple floors:
https://www.powells.com/

And stop using Amazon. 8^D

On September 5, 2020 6:53:38 AM PDT, Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>Do you think bookstores may die out? They have become rare here in
>Europe. In L.A. there is a nice used bookstore named "The Last
>Bookstore"http://lastbookstorela.comWhen Biden has won and Covid is
>gone next year I would like to visit California, including L.A. and San
>Francisco, before the last bookstore is gone.-J.

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Prof David West

Re: The last bookstore

the block is just the main store - the computer/science/tech is in another building across the street.

lots of small local bookstores. LA harder to find, but San Francisco plentiful.

They will still be there in 2025 when you feel safe to visit the US.

davew

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, at 8:24 AM, ⛧ glen wrote:

> They might. But I'm spending a good portion of my income at the local
> ones. If you're visiting book stores, you must visit this one. A whole
> city block, multiple floors:
> https://www.powells.com/
>
> And stop using Amazon. 8^D
>
>
> On September 5, 2020 6:53:38 AM PDT, Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >Do you think bookstores may die out? They have become rare here in
> >Europe. In L.A. there is a nice used bookstore named "The Last
> >Bookstore"http://lastbookstorela.comWhen Biden has won and Covid is
> >gone next year I would like to visit California, including L.A. and San
> >Francisco, before the last bookstore is gone.-J.
>
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gepr

Re: The last bookstore

Hm. The tech store on Park and Burnside closed several years ago. Did they open another one?

We've got 3 (I think) here in Oly, one of which I've committed to joining as they change into a coop.

On September 5, 2020 7:36:07 AM PDT, Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote:

>the block is just the main store - the computer/science/tech is in
>another building across the street.
>
>lots of small local bookstores. LA harder to find, but San Francisco
>plentiful.
>
>They will still be there in 2025 when you feel safe to visit the US.
>
>davew
>
>On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, at 8:24 AM, ⛧ glen wrote:
>> They might. But I'm spending a good portion of my income at the local
>
>> ones. If you're visiting book stores, you must visit this one. A
>whole
>> city block, multiple floors:
>> https://www.powells.com/
>>
>> And stop using Amazon. 8^D
>>
>>
>> On September 5, 2020 6:53:38 AM PDT, Jochen Fromm
><[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> >Do you think bookstores may die out? They have become rare here in
>> >Europe. In L.A. there is a nice used bookstore named "The Last
>> >Bookstore"http://lastbookstorela.comWhen Biden has won and Covid is
>> >gone next year I would like to visit California, including L.A. and
>San
>> >Francisco, before the last bookstore is gone.-J.

uǝʃƃ ⊥ glen

Roger Critchlow-2

Re: The last bookstore

In reply to this post by gepr

I first visited Powell's the summer they opened in Portland. Old man Powell gave me work cleaning up another property he owned.

Their current location was long notable for the regularly scheduled reek of the Blitz-Weinhard brewery located on the block to the west, but it's since been gentrified.

The original Powell's is in Hyde Park, near the University of Chicago, it was a let down when I finally got there.

But The Seminary Coop, https://www.semcoop.com/, is a must visit in Chicago. Check out the Front Table on their website.

-- rec --

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 10:24 AM ⛧ glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

They might. But I'm spending a good portion of my income at the local ones. If you're visiting book stores, you must visit this one. A whole city block, multiple floors:
https://www.powells.com/

And stop using Amazon. 8^D

On September 5, 2020 6:53:38 AM PDT, Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>Do you think bookstores may die out? They have become rare here in
>Europe. In L.A. there is a nice used bookstore named "The Last
>Bookstore"http://lastbookstorela.comWhen Biden has won and Covid is
>gone next year I would like to visit California, including L.A. and San
>Francisco, before the last bookstore is gone.-J.

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jon zingale

Re: The last bookstore

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Yeah, the technical bookstore on Burnside was really great. It was where I
spent my last three hours living in Portland (2007) reading Hatcher's
'Algebraic Topology'. Last I was in Oregon (2014), I was sad to see it gone,
but then someone directed me that the technical books all moved to the main
branch. I walked the two blocks over and found a copy of Niven's
'Diophantine Approximations'.

In Santa Fe, we have a couple of bookstores that I like a lot. Big Star is
really great for fiction and browsing in general. Op Cit is where I like to
go for technical books (math/drawing). Op Cit moved a number of times since
I moved here in 2013, but now it is located in De Vargas Mall, where it is a
couple of storefronts down from an antique pen store. It is kind of amazing
to see a non-corporate bookstore in a mall.

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: The last bookstore

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Kindle prices aren't quite book prices yet. That would be the end of books and bookstores IMO. Browse-before-buy isn't as good. That Park and Burnside store was a blessing in the early 90s.

Marcus
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Hm. The tech store on Park and Burnside closed several years ago. Did they open another one?

We've got 3 (I think) here in Oly, one of which I've committed to joining as they change into a coop.

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Joe Spinden

Re: The last bookstore

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Unless people abandon physical books, which I doubt, there should at least be room for second hand bookstores.

One that I have not seen mentioned yet is the Strand, in NYC. It occupies a city block; they advertise "18 Miles of Books".

Joe

On 9/5/20 7:53 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote:

Do you think bookstores may die out? They have become rare here in Europe.

In L.A. there is a nice used bookstore named "The Last Bookstore"

http://lastbookstorela.com

When Biden has won and Covid is gone next year I would like to visit California, including L.A. and San Francisco, before the last bookstore is gone.

-J.
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Prof David West

Re: The last bookstore

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you were there more recently than I, so I bow to your more current information.

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, at 9:13 AM, ⛧ glen wrote:

> Hm. The tech store on Park and Burnside closed several years ago. Did
> they open another one?
>
> We've got 3 (I think) here in Oly, one of which I've committed to
> joining as they change into a coop.
>
> On September 5, 2020 7:36:07 AM PDT, Prof David West
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >the block is just the main store - the computer/science/tech is in
> >another building across the street.
> >
> >lots of small local bookstores. LA harder to find, but San Francisco
> >plentiful.
> >
> >They will still be there in 2025 when you feel safe to visit the US.
> >
> >davew
> >
> >On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, at 8:24 AM, ⛧ glen wrote:
> >> They might. But I'm spending a good portion of my income at the local
> >
> >> ones. If you're visiting book stores, you must visit this one. A
> >whole
> >> city block, multiple floors:
> >> https://www.powells.com/
> >>
> >> And stop using Amazon. 8^D
> >>
> >>
> >> On September 5, 2020 6:53:38 AM PDT, Jochen Fromm
> ><[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Do you think bookstores may die out? They have become rare here in
> >> >Europe. In L.A. there is a nice used bookstore named "The Last
> >> >Bookstore"http://lastbookstorela.comWhen Biden has won and Covid is
> >> >gone next year I would like to visit California, including L.A. and
> >San
> >> >Francisco, before the last bookstore is gone.-J.
>
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Steve Smith

Re: The last bookstore

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Jochen -

Independent and Used bookstores definitely took a hit, first from the Big Boxes like Hastings and Barnes and Noble and then a double-whammy from Amazon. I don't know how many more went down because of COVID... We have a very serious local collection of used/independent stores whose flagship locals might recognize: Op Cit . They have two satellite shops in Taos and Las Vegas, NM. The Taos shop is in the location of another well loved/known independent/used shop known as Moby Dickens... I cant remember the new name, but I think it is more interesting than "Op Cit Taos". The Las Vegas branch is called "Tome on the Range".

When the COVID shutdown made me want to order books instead of browsing for them as I usually do (even if I subsequently order because the store doesn't have them in stock) my instinct was to go straight to Amazon, but I also knew that OpCit (for example) was surely suffering mightily from no walk-in business for months at least. Even though I don't like doing phone transactions, I gave over and quickly discovered that they were hyper efficient if I just looked the book up and sent them a link... trying to avoid (ab)using *other* commercial sites for this (only to not buy from them) but rather using publisher references, goodreads, magazine/blog reviews, etc. to get the front/back matter, excerpts and even reviews that I might otherwise get while browsing.

This is all somewhat ironic since I *literally* had a short back and forth with Bezos by e-mail in roughly 1995. I was a long-time customer/friend of the very successful indie bookstore in Los Alamos, R Books... which thrived on a combination of a literate professional-class population, a varied but generally generous policy on LANL Staff purchasing from local stores for reimbursement (especially during the Tech Boom) and a visiting population of international professionals who for distribution/tariff reasons were motivated to buy US published/distributed books from R Books (including ordering through them) and hand-carry or even ship (overseas book rate) home. It seems like Aussies were the most prominent for some reason... touting the well-respected chain of Bookstores there known as Dymocks(sp?). I think this had quite a bit to do with the British Commonwealth protectionism for Commonwealth publishers, supporting UK/etc editions being published in parallel with US editions of many titles... but of course not *all*, thus the international purchasers at R Books.

All this background to frame my conversation with Bezos... I was negotiating with R Books to open the empty shopspace next to them as a coffee shop, bust open an archway or two between them and share the floorspace and possibly staff... mitigating some of their risk for adding a coffee shop, and lowering the logistics-to-entry for an (righteous?) entrepreneurial activity. I pinged Bezos on a whim, suggesting to him that small, independent bookstores like R Books might make good "fulfillment" partners... so when you browse for a book on Amazon (they weren't heavily into used, yet, and R Books was strictly new as well), you might have been offered the option of picking it up in-person immediately at a local indie for a small discount from retail (indies were not discounting books then, except to clear stock) and then have Amazon score a small "referral fee" and the bookstore make a small(er) profit, but slow the leak from walk-in to online. There were lots of potential problems with this idea... or nuanced details to work out so that it wasn't actually aggravating the problem for the indies... but Bezos' answer was simple: "we don't need you, you are a thing of the past, we are going to revolutionize bookselling, get out of my way".

To add insult to injury, it was perhaps 2 weeks later that the negotiations with the landlord on the adjacent space went crazy when it was publicly announced that Starbucks was moving in around the corner (a different landlord) and it turned out, that the landlord's delays were all about them expecting to land Starbucks in *another* of their properties. They continued to try to court us to open the shop as planned once they lost the Starbuck's deal, but naturally a Starbucks within a short walk did not bode well for a local coffee shop, even if we did have books too! We backed off and due to other complications of similar enough kind, R Books shut down maybe 5 years later. Salt in the insulted injury included Starbucks selling NYT paper (national contract) in a manner which undermined R books roughly 40 papers a day that represented 40 loyal customers who dropped in every day (or week for Sunday only) with the residual value of them as likely as not to spot if not buy on the spot, their next book read. R Books had to pre-purchase all copies and on Sunday, for example a few leftover copies could negate or reverse any profits they might have gotten, nevertheless they continued it as "a service to the community". Recently I tried buying an NYT at that very Starbucks and was told "I don't think we carry them anymore, I haven't seen one in a while". Now folks in Los Alamos have to (I guess) try for home delivery or travel to Santa Fe. I hear fro Donald that it is "failing" anyway...

A good 10 years later I found myself opening a bookstore in Santa Fe with my partner, Suzanne. She was a rabid bibliophile, eclipsing me in both quantity and quality by magnitudes (2^n or 10^n, i'm not sure)... Our home and expanding storage sheds, trailer, etc. were overflowing and we decided to take a swing at selling them (maybe?) as fast as she could collect them. It was called Hunt and Gather... and was right next to the Aztec Cafe in Santa Fe, opposite Double Take and was a fairly popular hotspot for Suzanne's large entourage of friends and acquaintances, as the shop doubled as an art-space presenting almost exclusively book-arts exhibitions. We only stayed afloat for 1 year, pretty much just breaking even on expenses, but including a shop-girl salary to my daughter who maintained the front desk about half-time so Suzanne could take care of other business (allowing my daughter to finish her Bachelors without working at a *different* mcJob that year). It engaged us with a wide range of other bookstore owners, both local and those traveling the country doing their own hunting and gathering!

I doubt I will have a formal bookstore running when you visit, but I *do* have a full 2 tonnes of books stored in a covered trailer from that era you could peruse! I've pared my personal collection down to what a "normal" bibliophile's house might have which means about 1/2 are in yet another storage location! Unfortunately *those* are the ones you would more likely want to see!

I'd recommend a leisurely drive through the US (if you can afford the time), stopping at the myriad small bookstores and even larger chain-complexes still afloat. Albuquerque, NM has a few stores, including ( think, the last instance of a former small-network of shops ) Bound to be Read, Denver has a complex of bookstores named Tattered Cover, and Portland has the famous Powell's group. Cody's in Berkeley was a major destination until it closed (5 or more years ago?) and City Lights in San Francisco is a must-visit. There have to be dozens more of that scale and of course thousands in small towns across our 48 continental states!

I hope you can and do make such a sojourn!

- Steve

On 9/5/20 7:53 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote:

Do you think bookstores may die out? They have become rare here in Europe.

In L.A. there is a nice used bookstore named "The Last Bookstore"

http://lastbookstorela.com

When Biden has won and Covid is gone next year I would like to visit California, including L.A. and San Francisco, before the last bookstore is gone.

-J.
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Steve Smith

Re: The last bookstore

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On 9/5/20 8:36 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> the block is just the main store - the computer/science/tech is in another building across the street.
>
> lots of small local bookstores. LA harder to find, but San Francisco plentiful.
>
> They will still be there in 2025 when you feel safe to visit the US.

What? I thought the Civil War would be in full swing by 2025?   I do
believe books make pretty good bullet-stops. Maybe bookstores will
become redoubts for the intellectual elite as they "just want to keep
reading books" while the revolution is being televised (I mean
facebooked, or tweeted, or instagrammed?).    I think my adobe walls are
probably better, but then I do need to do something about the big
windows!   Glad I saved all those books!

If not a true apocalypse by then, maybe it could be a movie set in the
same world as Costner's Postman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Postman_(film)

- Steve

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Steve Smith

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That is a cool anecdote Roger... and I thank you for your own moving-book-sale when you left Santa Fe (10 years ago now???) and I picked up a boxfull of books I didn't need (but really appreciated anyway).

Did anyone (else) visit McMurtry's "bookstore town" in Archer City TX? I've been there several times, the first while he was standing it up (1998?) and then when he was shrinking it back to a few buildings 2012?. At it's heydey I remember it being at least a half-dozen old mainstreet shopfronts filled to the gills with books he was collecting by auction from other bookstores closing down at the time. When I was there the first couple of times, the secondary and tertiary buildings were not even manned, it was on the honor system to browse the town and bring your finds to the main building where they would price them and send you on your way with a smile. Larry himself was usually in the building, had an affect that he was not interested in being engaged by fans (of which I am only slightly anyway) but would jump right in if there was a legitimate question about a book or a pricing ambiguity. The website very much understates their rich history. I visited the Georgetown "original" a few times in the 90s... but was underwhelmed (a tiny garret upstairs, almost unmarked).

https://www.bookedupac.com/

Archer City was Larry's hometown and the setting of a number of contemporary (not old west) novels, including the most famous made-into-a-movie "The Last Picture Show" where Jeff Bridges and Cybil Sheppard pretty much got their start in acting as teenage hearthrobs in a dying Texas Oil Town in the 60's.

Tying back to your own (Jochen) German roots, I highly recommend his memoiresque book: Walter_Benjamin_at_the_Dairy_Queen

- Steve

On 9/5/20 9:13 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

I first visited Powell's the summer they opened in Portland. Old man Powell gave me work cleaning up another property he owned.

Their current location was long notable for the regularly scheduled reek of the Blitz-Weinhard brewery located on the block to the west, but it's since been gentrified.

The original Powell's is in Hyde Park, near the University of Chicago, it was a let down when I finally got there.

But The Seminary Coop, https://www.semcoop.com/, is a must visit in Chicago. Check out the Front Table on their website.

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They might. But I'm spending a good portion of my income at the local ones. If you're visiting book stores, you must visit this one. A whole city block, multiple floors:
https://www.powells.com/

And stop using Amazon. 8^D

On September 5, 2020 6:53:38 AM PDT, Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>Do you think bookstores may die out? They have become rare here in
>Europe. In L.A. there is a nice used bookstore named "The Last
>Bookstore"http://lastbookstorela.comWhen Biden has won and Covid is
>gone next year I would like to visit California, including L.A. and San
>Francisco, before the last bookstore is gone.-J.

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Merle Lefkoff-2

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I am making a prediction about the unknowable, unprestateable future. Jochen will be able to visit our wonderful bookstores before the end of 2021. (It's all about testing!)

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:36 AM Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote:

the block is just the main store - the computer/science/tech is in another building across the street.

lots of small local bookstores. LA harder to find, but San Francisco plentiful.

They will still be there in 2025 when you feel safe to visit the US.

davew

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, at 8:24 AM, ⛧ glen wrote:
> They might. But I'm spending a good portion of my income at the local
> ones. If you're visiting book stores, you must visit this one. A whole
> city block, multiple floors:
> https://www.powells.com/
>
> And stop using Amazon. 8^D
>
>
> On September 5, 2020 6:53:38 AM PDT, Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >Do you think bookstores may die out? They have become rare here in
> >Europe. In L.A. there is a nice used bookstore named "The Last
> >Bookstore"http://lastbookstorela.comWhen Biden has won and Covid is
> >gone next year I would like to visit California, including L.A. and San
> >Francisco, before the last bookstore is gone.-J.
>
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Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
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Roger Critchlow-2

Re: The last bookstore

In reply to this post by Steve Smith

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 1:54 PM Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

That is a cool anecdote Roger... and I thank you for your own moving-book-sale when you left Santa Fe (10 years ago now???) and I picked up a boxfull of books I didn't need (but really appreciated anyway).

On Powell's website, their logo image says "Est. 1971" which is the summer I moved to Portland to start college at Reed.

I still have a couple of boxes of books I can't part with, they're in a closet in Santa Fe awaiting shipment to Boston. And I still buy them, but most of the reading happens electronically.

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