The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

[Pieter Steenekamp]

Just to continue; "your" article mainly addresses "antivaxxers". By no stretch of the imagination can dr Robert Malone be categorized as an "antivaxxer". He is the inventor of mRNA vaccination technology. He works in this field, his purpose in life is to promote things very much associated with vaccinations. It is very much against his self-interest to point out limitations in mRNA vaccination technology. 

My answer to your specific question is: if you connect the dots of dr Robert Malone's explanations and you try to connect the dots of the explanations in "your" article, I find his explanations more convincing.

I really don't have a problem if your connecting of the dots leads to a different conclusion.

Unless you come up with a good reason to refute this, I'm not going to discuss this further. How many times must we agree to disagree?

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:03, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:

dr Robert Malone explains how the Covid vaccine acts totally different than expected and different than all other vaccines. When a person gets vaccinated with other vaccines, there is a little bit of invection in the upper arm and the immune system kicks in, with "all the action" taking place in the area of the upper arm. On the other hand, with the Covid vaccine the vaccine particles, very unexpectedly, travels through the who;e body and "the action" is not limited to the upper arm area. Specifically a large concentration happens in the ovaries and that scares him very much.
"Your" article reads like an "activists" article. Dr Malone's explanation sounds to me like a serious scientists 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 22:44, ⛧ glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK. What part of Malone's claims are not debunked? Again, I'm having trouble knowing what you're talking about because you won't be specific.

I'm fine with disagreeing. But I have no idea what we disagree about!


On June 18, 2021 12:36:28 PM PDT, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>Thank you Glen,
>
>I reread the article you posted
>https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-are-going-to-sterilize-our-womenfolk-take-2/
>and then I listened to where dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination technology discusses the potential harm of the Covid
>vaccines:
>The long discussion has been removed, but the following two clips are
>still
>available:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb_7E12VDE4 and
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY
>
>After reviewing this I came to the following conclusion:
>a) I 100% agree with "your" article in that it debunks many of the wild
>conspiracy theories. Thanks for this
>b) In "my" video clips, dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination
>technology, discusses carefully the potential harm of specifically the
>Covid vaccines. Refer to https://www.rwmalonemd.com/ for more about
>him. I
>don't find convincing arguments against these specific points in "your"
>article.
>
>Let me repeat, I am a VERY BIG fan of vaccinations in general and
>specifically of the mRNA vaccination technology. I am really excited
>about
>the potential benefits to humanity of this technology in that it could,
>in
>future, have effective vaccines available against viruses very soon
>after a
>new virus has been identified. Vaccinations have saved many lives the
>last
>half-century or so and mRNA vaccination technology could take the fight
>against virus infections even further.
>
>We all are confronted with data and information and we have to use our
>own
>judgement about what makes sense for ourselves. If you believe "your"
>article debunked what dr. Robert Malone said, fine, I am definitely not
>going to argue with you or try to change your mind.
>
>In my judgement, on the other hand, I don't find convincing arguments
>in
>"your" article debunking what Dr Robert Malone said.
>
>Again, I really appreciate your comments and I really do consider it,
>in
>general I value your judgement, but in this specific case I disagree
>with
>you. But at the end of the day we don't have to agree on how we
>interpret
>the information.
>
>Just on the cost, I was not referring to what it costs me personally. I
>was
>referring to the billions of dollars in taxpayers money big pharma got
>to
>develop the vaccines and the killing they now make to sell it to
>governments.
>
>About stirring the pot, in general I like to do exactly that, yes,
>guilty
>as charged. But in this specific case I am serious about seeking help.
>But
>please don't crucify me if we come to different conclusions on being
>presented with the same information. We can agree to disagree in a very
>positive spirit.
>

--
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[Marcus G. Daniels]

On page 47 a radioactive marker was used to track the mRNA, and < 0.1 % were found in the ovaries and adrenal glands.  1% was found in the spleen.   Some was circuited in the plasma, and that ends up in the liver (21.5%) where enzymes chew it up.

 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/assessment-report/comirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 2:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

 

Just to continue; "your" article mainly addresses "antivaxxers". By no stretch of the imagination can dr Robert Malone be categorized as an "antivaxxer". He is the inventor of mRNA vaccination technology. He works in this field, his purpose in life is to promote things very much associated with vaccinations. It is very much against his self-interest to point out limitations in mRNA vaccination technology. 

My answer to your specific question is: if you connect the dots of dr Robert Malone's explanations and you try to connect the dots of the explanations in "your" article, I find his explanations more convincing.

 

I really don't have a problem if your connecting of the dots leads to a different conclusion.

Unless you come up with a good reason to refute this, I'm not going to discuss this further. How many times must we agree to disagree?

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:03, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:

dr Robert Malone explains how the Covid vaccine acts totally different than expected and different than all other vaccines. When a person gets vaccinated with other vaccines, there is a little bit of invection in the upper arm and the immune system kicks in, with "all the action" taking place in the area of the upper arm. On the other hand, with the Covid vaccine the vaccine particles, very unexpectedly, travels through the who;e body and "the action" is not limited to the upper arm area. Specifically a large concentration happens in the ovaries and that scares him very much.
"Your" article reads like an "activists" article. Dr Malone's explanation sounds to me like a serious scientists 

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 22:44, ⛧ glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK. What part of Malone's claims are not debunked? Again, I'm having trouble knowing what you're talking about because you won't be specific.

I'm fine with disagreeing. But I have no idea what we disagree about!


On June 18, 2021 12:36:28 PM PDT, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>Thank you Glen,
>
>I reread the article you posted
>https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-are-going-to-sterilize-our-womenfolk-take-2/
>and then I listened to where dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination technology discusses the potential harm of the Covid
>vaccines:
>The long discussion has been removed, but the following two clips are
>still
>available:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb_7E12VDE4 and
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY
>
>After reviewing this I came to the following conclusion:
>a) I 100% agree with "your" article in that it debunks many of the wild
>conspiracy theories. Thanks for this
>b) In "my" video clips, dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination
>technology, discusses carefully the potential harm of specifically the
>Covid vaccines. Refer to https://www.rwmalonemd.com/ for more about
>him. I
>don't find convincing arguments against these specific points in "your"
>article.
>
>Let me repeat, I am a VERY BIG fan of vaccinations in general and
>specifically of the mRNA vaccination technology. I am really excited
>about
>the potential benefits to humanity of this technology in that it could,
>in
>future, have effective vaccines available against viruses very soon
>after a
>new virus has been identified. Vaccinations have saved many lives the
>last
>half-century or so and mRNA vaccination technology could take the fight
>against virus infections even further.
>
>We all are confronted with data and information and we have to use our
>own
>judgement about what makes sense for ourselves. If you believe "your"
>article debunked what dr. Robert Malone said, fine, I am definitely not
>going to argue with you or try to change your mind.
>
>In my judgement, on the other hand, I don't find convincing arguments
>in
>"your" article debunking what Dr Robert Malone said.
>
>Again, I really appreciate your comments and I really do consider it,
>in
>general I value your judgement, but in this specific case I disagree
>with
>you. But at the end of the day we don't have to agree on how we
>interpret
>the information.
>
>Just on the cost, I was not referring to what it costs me personally. I
>was
>referring to the billions of dollars in taxpayers money big pharma got
>to
>develop the vaccines and the killing they now make to sell it to
>governments.
>
>About stirring the pot, in general I like to do exactly that, yes,
>guilty
>as charged. But in this specific case I am serious about seeking help.
>But
>please don't crucify me if we come to different conclusions on being
>presented with the same information. We can agree to disagree in a very
>positive spirit.
>

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[Pieter Steenekamp]

Thank you Marcus. 

It seems like the authors of the study report you referenced and dr Robert Malone worked from the same data. See attached png file of a screenshot I made of the video where he discussed this issue.

It's just that they came to different conclusions. The authors of the report you referenced are not concerned about it whilst dr Robert Malone is very concerned.

From my perspective it's okay if based on this information, and obviously in the context of much other information, you are not concerned and I am.

Pieter

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:57, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

On page 47 a radioactive marker was used to track the mRNA, and < 0.1 % were found in the ovaries and adrenal glands.  1% was found in the spleen.   Some was circuited in the plasma, and that ends up in the liver (21.5%) where enzymes chew it up.

 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/assessment-report/comirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 2:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

 

Just to continue; "your" article mainly addresses "antivaxxers". By no stretch of the imagination can dr Robert Malone be categorized as an "antivaxxer". He is the inventor of mRNA vaccination technology. He works in this field, his purpose in life is to promote things very much associated with vaccinations. It is very much against his self-interest to point out limitations in mRNA vaccination technology. 

My answer to your specific question is: if you connect the dots of dr Robert Malone's explanations and you try to connect the dots of the explanations in "your" article, I find his explanations more convincing.

 

I really don't have a problem if your connecting of the dots leads to a different conclusion.

Unless you come up with a good reason to refute this, I'm not going to discuss this further. How many times must we agree to disagree?

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:03, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:

dr Robert Malone explains how the Covid vaccine acts totally different than expected and different than all other vaccines. When a person gets vaccinated with other vaccines, there is a little bit of invection in the upper arm and the immune system kicks in, with "all the action" taking place in the area of the upper arm. On the other hand, with the Covid vaccine the vaccine particles, very unexpectedly, travels through the who;e body and "the action" is not limited to the upper arm area. Specifically a large concentration happens in the ovaries and that scares him very much.
"Your" article reads like an "activists" article. Dr Malone's explanation sounds to me like a serious scientists 

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 22:44, ⛧ glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK. What part of Malone's claims are not debunked? Again, I'm having trouble knowing what you're talking about because you won't be specific.

I'm fine with disagreeing. But I have no idea what we disagree about!


On June 18, 2021 12:36:28 PM PDT, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>Thank you Glen,
>
>I reread the article you posted
>https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-are-going-to-sterilize-our-womenfolk-take-2/
>and then I listened to where dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination technology discusses the potential harm of the Covid
>vaccines:
>The long discussion has been removed, but the following two clips are
>still
>available:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb_7E12VDE4 and
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY
>
>After reviewing this I came to the following conclusion:
>a) I 100% agree with "your" article in that it debunks many of the wild
>conspiracy theories. Thanks for this
>b) In "my" video clips, dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination
>technology, discusses carefully the potential harm of specifically the
>Covid vaccines. Refer to https://www.rwmalonemd.com/ for more about
>him. I
>don't find convincing arguments against these specific points in "your"
>article.
>
>Let me repeat, I am a VERY BIG fan of vaccinations in general and
>specifically of the mRNA vaccination technology. I am really excited
>about
>the potential benefits to humanity of this technology in that it could,
>in
>future, have effective vaccines available against viruses very soon
>after a
>new virus has been identified. Vaccinations have saved many lives the
>last
>half-century or so and mRNA vaccination technology could take the fight
>against virus infections even further.
>
>We all are confronted with data and information and we have to use our
>own
>judgement about what makes sense for ourselves. If you believe "your"
>article debunked what dr. Robert Malone said, fine, I am definitely not
>going to argue with you or try to change your mind.
>
>In my judgement, on the other hand, I don't find convincing arguments
>in
>"your" article debunking what Dr Robert Malone said.
>
>Again, I really appreciate your comments and I really do consider it,
>in
>general I value your judgement, but in this specific case I disagree
>with
>you. But at the end of the day we don't have to agree on how we
>interpret
>the information.
>
>Just on the cost, I was not referring to what it costs me personally. I
>was
>referring to the billions of dollars in taxpayers money big pharma got
>to
>develop the vaccines and the killing they now make to sell it to
>governments.
>
>About stirring the pot, in general I like to do exactly that, yes,
>guilty
>as charged. But in this specific case I am serious about seeking help.
>But
>please don't crucify me if we come to different conclusions on being
>presented with the same information. We can agree to disagree in a very
>positive spirit.
>

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[Marcus G. Daniels]

Remember that the spike proteins are anchored on the cells and that it isn’t resulting in replication.   It isn’t clear what the y axis refers to.

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 10:01 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

 

Thank you Marcus. 

It seems like the authors of the study report you referenced and dr Robert Malone worked from the same data. See attached png file of a screenshot I made of the video where he discussed this issue.

It's just that they came to different conclusions. The authors of the report you referenced are not concerned about it whilst dr Robert Malone is very concerned.

From my perspective it's okay if based on this information, and obviously in the context of much other information, you are not concerned and I am.

Pieter

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:57, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

On page 47 a radioactive marker was used to track the mRNA, and < 0.1 % were found in the ovaries and adrenal glands.  1% was found in the spleen.   Some was circuited in the plasma, and that ends up in the liver (21.5%) where enzymes chew it up.

 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/assessment-report/comirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 2:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

 

Just to continue; "your" article mainly addresses "antivaxxers". By no stretch of the imagination can dr Robert Malone be categorized as an "antivaxxer". He is the inventor of mRNA vaccination technology. He works in this field, his purpose in life is to promote things very much associated with vaccinations. It is very much against his self-interest to point out limitations in mRNA vaccination technology. 

My answer to your specific question is: if you connect the dots of dr Robert Malone's explanations and you try to connect the dots of the explanations in "your" article, I find his explanations more convincing.

 

I really don't have a problem if your connecting of the dots leads to a different conclusion.

Unless you come up with a good reason to refute this, I'm not going to discuss this further. How many times must we agree to disagree?

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:03, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:

dr Robert Malone explains how the Covid vaccine acts totally different than expected and different than all other vaccines. When a person gets vaccinated with other vaccines, there is a little bit of invection in the upper arm and the immune system kicks in, with "all the action" taking place in the area of the upper arm. On the other hand, with the Covid vaccine the vaccine particles, very unexpectedly, travels through the who;e body and "the action" is not limited to the upper arm area. Specifically a large concentration happens in the ovaries and that scares him very much.
"Your" article reads like an "activists" article. Dr Malone's explanation sounds to me like a serious scientists 

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 22:44, ⛧ glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK. What part of Malone's claims are not debunked? Again, I'm having trouble knowing what you're talking about because you won't be specific.

I'm fine with disagreeing. But I have no idea what we disagree about!


On June 18, 2021 12:36:28 PM PDT, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>Thank you Glen,
>
>I reread the article you posted
>https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-are-going-to-sterilize-our-womenfolk-take-2/
>and then I listened to where dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination technology discusses the potential harm of the Covid
>vaccines:
>The long discussion has been removed, but the following two clips are
>still
>available:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb_7E12VDE4 and
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY
>
>After reviewing this I came to the following conclusion:
>a) I 100% agree with "your" article in that it debunks many of the wild
>conspiracy theories. Thanks for this
>b) In "my" video clips, dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination
>technology, discusses carefully the potential harm of specifically the
>Covid vaccines. Refer to https://www.rwmalonemd.com/ for more about
>him. I
>don't find convincing arguments against these specific points in "your"
>article.
>
>Let me repeat, I am a VERY BIG fan of vaccinations in general and
>specifically of the mRNA vaccination technology. I am really excited
>about
>the potential benefits to humanity of this technology in that it could,
>in
>future, have effective vaccines available against viruses very soon
>after a
>new virus has been identified. Vaccinations have saved many lives the
>last
>half-century or so and mRNA vaccination technology could take the fight
>against virus infections even further.
>
>We all are confronted with data and information and we have to use our
>own
>judgement about what makes sense for ourselves. If you believe "your"
>article debunked what dr. Robert Malone said, fine, I am definitely not
>going to argue with you or try to change your mind.
>
>In my judgement, on the other hand, I don't find convincing arguments
>in
>"your" article debunking what Dr Robert Malone said.
>
>Again, I really appreciate your comments and I really do consider it,
>in
>general I value your judgement, but in this specific case I disagree
>with
>you. But at the end of the day we don't have to agree on how we
>interpret
>the information.
>
>Just on the cost, I was not referring to what it costs me personally. I
>was
>referring to the billions of dollars in taxpayers money big pharma got
>to
>develop the vaccines and the killing they now make to sell it to
>governments.
>
>About stirring the pot, in general I like to do exactly that, yes,
>guilty
>as charged. But in this specific case I am serious about seeking help.
>But
>please don't crucify me if we come to different conclusions on being
>presented with the same information. We can agree to disagree in a very
>positive spirit.
>

--
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[Pieter Steenekamp]

Thanks for the comment Glen. I might well have erred in claiming that my criticism is also valid for traditional vaccines and not only mRNA vaccines. I'll check this, and, to be honest, I sincerely hope you are right and I made a mistake on this one. 

On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 at 19:43, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <[hidden email]> wrote:

The y axis seems to be in "Total Lipid concentration (μg lipid equivalent/g [or mL])" from the table in the Japanese study. But the percentages data would make more sense to me. Attached is a log plot showing the percentages per tissue at 48h.

Obviously, anyone concerned with this result should get a more traditional COVID19 vaccine: J&J, AstraZenica, Novavax, Merk, Sputnik V, etc. Pieter's citation of this data as part of a claim that alternative prophylactics like ivermectin are *better* than the TRADITIONAL vaccines is just confused.

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/jj-send-2-million-covid-19-vaccine-doses-safrica-by-end-june-president-ramaphosa-2021-06-15/

On 6/19/21 7:56 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Remember that the spike proteins are anchored on the cells and that it isn’t resulting in replication.   It isn’t clear what the y axis refers to.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Friam <[hidden email]> *On Behalf Of *Pieter Steenekamp
> *Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2021 10:01 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations
>
>  
>
> Thank you Marcus. 
>
> It seems like the authors of the study report you referenced and dr Robert Malone worked from the same data. See attached png file of a screenshot I made of the video where he discussed this issue.
>
> It's just that they came to different conclusions. The authors of the report you referenced are not concerned about it whilst dr Robert Malone is very concerned.
>
> From my perspective it's okay if based on this information, and obviously in the context of much other information, you are not concerned and I am.

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[Pieter Steenekamp]

Just one more thing, thanks for the link showing my hero our president Cyril Ramaphosa. I think (if you'll forgive a possible little bit of bias) he is the best current head of government of all countries in the world!

On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 at 19:55, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks for the comment Glen. I might well have erred in claiming that my criticism is also valid for traditional vaccines and not only mRNA vaccines. I'll check this, and, to be honest, I sincerely hope you are right and I made a mistake on this one. 

On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 at 19:43, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <[hidden email]> wrote:

The y axis seems to be in "Total Lipid concentration (μg lipid equivalent/g [or mL])" from the table in the Japanese study. But the percentages data would make more sense to me. Attached is a log plot showing the percentages per tissue at 48h.

Obviously, anyone concerned with this result should get a more traditional COVID19 vaccine: J&J, AstraZenica, Novavax, Merk, Sputnik V, etc. Pieter's citation of this data as part of a claim that alternative prophylactics like ivermectin are *better* than the TRADITIONAL vaccines is just confused.

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/jj-send-2-million-covid-19-vaccine-doses-safrica-by-end-june-president-ramaphosa-2021-06-15/

On 6/19/21 7:56 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Remember that the spike proteins are anchored on the cells and that it isn’t resulting in replication.   It isn’t clear what the y axis refers to.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Friam <[hidden email]> *On Behalf Of *Pieter Steenekamp
> *Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2021 10:01 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations
>
>  
>
> Thank you Marcus. 
>
> It seems like the authors of the study report you referenced and dr Robert Malone worked from the same data. See attached png file of a screenshot I made of the video where he discussed this issue.
>
> It's just that they came to different conclusions. The authors of the report you referenced are not concerned about it whilst dr Robert Malone is very concerned.
>
> From my perspective it's okay if based on this information, and obviously in the context of much other information, you are not concerned and I am.

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[Roger Critchlow-2]

Peeter's graph showing a high concentration in the ovaries at 48 hours is deceptive.  

Examining https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf shows that Peeter's graph omits all the data points in the original dataset that were greater than the 12.3 µg/g (or µg/mL, not just mL, parts per million of tritiated lipid) that the ovaries reached at 48 hours.  Aside from the major reservoirs of injected material such as the injection point, the liver, and the spleen, it also omits the adrenal glands, the small intestine, the large intestine, and the lungs all of which had higher concentrations than the ovaries at 48 h.

I lost interest in redoing the graph, but the data table in text form is attached.

The highest point on the graph of the complete data set is 394 at the injection site at 1 h after injection, estimated to be 52.6% of the injected material.  The ovary datapoint at 48 h is estimated to be 0.093% of the injected material.

That's from simply comparing the numbers in the source table to the information presented in Peeter's graph, no chemistry, biology, medicine, or pharmaceutical knowledge is required.

-- rec --

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:59 AM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Remember that the spike proteins are anchored on the cells and that it isn’t resulting in replication.   It isn’t clear what the y axis refers to.

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 10:01 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

 

Thank you Marcus. 

It seems like the authors of the study report you referenced and dr Robert Malone worked from the same data. See attached png file of a screenshot I made of the video where he discussed this issue.

It's just that they came to different conclusions. The authors of the report you referenced are not concerned about it whilst dr Robert Malone is very concerned.

From my perspective it's okay if based on this information, and obviously in the context of much other information, you are not concerned and I am.

Pieter

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:57, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

On page 47 a radioactive marker was used to track the mRNA, and < 0.1 % were found in the ovaries and adrenal glands.  1% was found in the spleen.   Some was circuited in the plasma, and that ends up in the liver (21.5%) where enzymes chew it up.

 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/assessment-report/comirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 2:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

 

Just to continue; "your" article mainly addresses "antivaxxers". By no stretch of the imagination can dr Robert Malone be categorized as an "antivaxxer". He is the inventor of mRNA vaccination technology. He works in this field, his purpose in life is to promote things very much associated with vaccinations. It is very much against his self-interest to point out limitations in mRNA vaccination technology. 

My answer to your specific question is: if you connect the dots of dr Robert Malone's explanations and you try to connect the dots of the explanations in "your" article, I find his explanations more convincing.

 

I really don't have a problem if your connecting of the dots leads to a different conclusion.

Unless you come up with a good reason to refute this, I'm not going to discuss this further. How many times must we agree to disagree?

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:03, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:

dr Robert Malone explains how the Covid vaccine acts totally different than expected and different than all other vaccines. When a person gets vaccinated with other vaccines, there is a little bit of invection in the upper arm and the immune system kicks in, with "all the action" taking place in the area of the upper arm. On the other hand, with the Covid vaccine the vaccine particles, very unexpectedly, travels through the who;e body and "the action" is not limited to the upper arm area. Specifically a large concentration happens in the ovaries and that scares him very much.
"Your" article reads like an "activists" article. Dr Malone's explanation sounds to me like a serious scientists 

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 22:44, ⛧ glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK. What part of Malone's claims are not debunked? Again, I'm having trouble knowing what you're talking about because you won't be specific.

I'm fine with disagreeing. But I have no idea what we disagree about!


On June 18, 2021 12:36:28 PM PDT, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>Thank you Glen,
>
>I reread the article you posted
>https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-are-going-to-sterilize-our-womenfolk-take-2/
>and then I listened to where dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination technology discusses the potential harm of the Covid
>vaccines:
>The long discussion has been removed, but the following two clips are
>still
>available:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb_7E12VDE4 and
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY
>
>After reviewing this I came to the following conclusion:
>a) I 100% agree with "your" article in that it debunks many of the wild
>conspiracy theories. Thanks for this
>b) In "my" video clips, dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination
>technology, discusses carefully the potential harm of specifically the
>Covid vaccines. Refer to https://www.rwmalonemd.com/ for more about
>him. I
>don't find convincing arguments against these specific points in "your"
>article.
>
>Let me repeat, I am a VERY BIG fan of vaccinations in general and
>specifically of the mRNA vaccination technology. I am really excited
>about
>the potential benefits to humanity of this technology in that it could,
>in
>future, have effective vaccines available against viruses very soon
>after a
>new virus has been identified. Vaccinations have saved many lives the
>last
>half-century or so and mRNA vaccination technology could take the fight
>against virus infections even further.
>
>We all are confronted with data and information and we have to use our
>own
>judgement about what makes sense for ourselves. If you believe "your"
>article debunked what dr. Robert Malone said, fine, I am definitely not
>going to argue with you or try to change your mind.
>
>In my judgement, on the other hand, I don't find convincing arguments
>in
>"your" article debunking what Dr Robert Malone said.
>
>Again, I really appreciate your comments and I really do consider it,
>in
>general I value your judgement, but in this specific case I disagree
>with
>you. But at the end of the day we don't have to agree on how we
>interpret
>the information.
>
>Just on the cost, I was not referring to what it costs me personally. I
>was
>referring to the billions of dollars in taxpayers money big pharma got
>to
>develop the vaccines and the killing they now make to sell it to
>governments.
>
>About stirring the pot, in general I like to do exactly that, yes,
>guilty
>as charged. But in this specific case I am serious about seeking help.
>But
>please don't crucify me if we come to different conclusions on being
>presented with the same information. We can agree to disagree in a very
>positive spirit.
>

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[Marcus G. Daniels]

Nice, Roger.   So maybe it is not a grand conspiracy by the Chinese and big pharma to thin the population.  (See Utopia on Amazon.)

On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:



Peeter's graph showing a high concentration in the ovaries at 48 hours is deceptive.  

Examining https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf shows that Peeter's graph omits all the data points in the original dataset that were greater than the 12.3 µg/g (or µg/mL, not just mL, parts per million of tritiated lipid) that the ovaries reached at 48 hours.  Aside from the major reservoirs of injected material such as the injection point, the liver, and the spleen, it also omits the adrenal glands, the small intestine, the large intestine, and the lungs all of which had higher concentrations than the ovaries at 48 h.

I lost interest in redoing the graph, but the data table in text form is attached.

The highest point on the graph of the complete data set is 394 at the injection site at 1 h after injection, estimated to be 52.6% of the injected material.  The ovary datapoint at 48 h is estimated to be 0.093% of the injected material.

That's from simply comparing the numbers in the source table to the information presented in Peeter's graph, no chemistry, biology, medicine, or pharmaceutical knowledge is required.

-- rec --

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:59 AM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Remember that the spike proteins are anchored on the cells and that it isn’t resulting in replication.   It isn’t clear what the y axis refers to.

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 10:01 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

 

Thank you Marcus. 

It seems like the authors of the study report you referenced and dr Robert Malone worked from the same data. See attached png file of a screenshot I made of the video where he discussed this issue.

It's just that they came to different conclusions. The authors of the report you referenced are not concerned about it whilst dr Robert Malone is very concerned.

From my perspective it's okay if based on this information, and obviously in the context of much other information, you are not concerned and I am.

Pieter

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:57, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

On page 47 a radioactive marker was used to track the mRNA, and < 0.1 % were found in the ovaries and adrenal glands.  1% was found in the spleen.   Some was circuited in the plasma, and that ends up in the liver (21.5%) where enzymes chew it up.

 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/assessment-report/comirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 2:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

 

Just to continue; "your" article mainly addresses "antivaxxers". By no stretch of the imagination can dr Robert Malone be categorized as an "antivaxxer". He is the inventor of mRNA vaccination technology. He works in this field, his purpose in life is to promote things very much associated with vaccinations. It is very much against his self-interest to point out limitations in mRNA vaccination technology. 

My answer to your specific question is: if you connect the dots of dr Robert Malone's explanations and you try to connect the dots of the explanations in "your" article, I find his explanations more convincing.

 

I really don't have a problem if your connecting of the dots leads to a different conclusion.

Unless you come up with a good reason to refute this, I'm not going to discuss this further. How many times must we agree to disagree?

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:03, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:

dr Robert Malone explains how the Covid vaccine acts totally different than expected and different than all other vaccines. When a person gets vaccinated with other vaccines, there is a little bit of invection in the upper arm and the immune system kicks in, with "all the action" taking place in the area of the upper arm. On the other hand, with the Covid vaccine the vaccine particles, very unexpectedly, travels through the who;e body and "the action" is not limited to the upper arm area. Specifically a large concentration happens in the ovaries and that scares him very much.
"Your" article reads like an "activists" article. Dr Malone's explanation sounds to me like a serious scientists 

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 22:44, ⛧ glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK. What part of Malone's claims are not debunked? Again, I'm having trouble knowing what you're talking about because you won't be specific.

I'm fine with disagreeing. But I have no idea what we disagree about!


On June 18, 2021 12:36:28 PM PDT, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>Thank you Glen,
>
>I reread the article you posted
>https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-are-going-to-sterilize-our-womenfolk-take-2/
>and then I listened to where dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination technology discusses the potential harm of the Covid
>vaccines:
>The long discussion has been removed, but the following two clips are
>still
>available:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb_7E12VDE4 and
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY
>
>After reviewing this I came to the following conclusion:
>a) I 100% agree with "your" article in that it debunks many of the wild
>conspiracy theories. Thanks for this
>b) In "my" video clips, dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination
>technology, discusses carefully the potential harm of specifically the
>Covid vaccines. Refer to https://www.rwmalonemd.com/ for more about
>him. I
>don't find convincing arguments against these specific points in "your"
>article.
>
>Let me repeat, I am a VERY BIG fan of vaccinations in general and
>specifically of the mRNA vaccination technology. I am really excited
>about
>the potential benefits to humanity of this technology in that it could,
>in
>future, have effective vaccines available against viruses very soon
>after a
>new virus has been identified. Vaccinations have saved many lives the
>last
>half-century or so and mRNA vaccination technology could take the fight
>against virus infections even further.
>
>We all are confronted with data and information and we have to use our
>own
>judgement about what makes sense for ourselves. If you believe "your"
>article debunked what dr. Robert Malone said, fine, I am definitely not
>going to argue with you or try to change your mind.
>
>In my judgement, on the other hand, I don't find convincing arguments
>in
>"your" article debunking what Dr Robert Malone said.
>
>Again, I really appreciate your comments and I really do consider it,
>in
>general I value your judgement, but in this specific case I disagree
>with
>you. But at the end of the day we don't have to agree on how we
>interpret
>the information.
>
>Just on the cost, I was not referring to what it costs me personally. I
>was
>referring to the billions of dollars in taxpayers money big pharma got
>to
>develop the vaccines and the killing they now make to sell it to
>governments.
>
>About stirring the pot, in general I like to do exactly that, yes,
>guilty
>as charged. But in this specific case I am serious about seeking help.
>But
>please don't crucify me if we come to different conclusions on being
>presented with the same information. We can agree to disagree in a very
>positive spirit.
>

--
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[Frank Wimberly-2]

I'm asplenic. Maybe I should have taken that into account.  The spleen's share had to go somewhere.

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 12:40 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nice, Roger.   So maybe it is not a grand conspiracy by the Chinese and big pharma to thin the population.  (See Utopia on Amazon.)

On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:



Peeter's graph showing a high concentration in the ovaries at 48 hours is deceptive.  

Examining https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf shows that Peeter's graph omits all the data points in the original dataset that were greater than the 12.3 µg/g (or µg/mL, not just mL, parts per million of tritiated lipid) that the ovaries reached at 48 hours.  Aside from the major reservoirs of injected material such as the injection point, the liver, and the spleen, it also omits the adrenal glands, the small intestine, the large intestine, and the lungs all of which had higher concentrations than the ovaries at 48 h.

I lost interest in redoing the graph, but the data table in text form is attached.

The highest point on the graph of the complete data set is 394 at the injection site at 1 h after injection, estimated to be 52.6% of the injected material.  The ovary datapoint at 48 h is estimated to be 0.093% of the injected material.

That's from simply comparing the numbers in the source table to the information presented in Peeter's graph, no chemistry, biology, medicine, or pharmaceutical knowledge is required.

-- rec --

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:59 AM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Remember that the spike proteins are anchored on the cells and that it isn’t resulting in replication.   It isn’t clear what the y axis refers to.

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 10:01 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

 

Thank you Marcus. 

It seems like the authors of the study report you referenced and dr Robert Malone worked from the same data. See attached png file of a screenshot I made of the video where he discussed this issue.

It's just that they came to different conclusions. The authors of the report you referenced are not concerned about it whilst dr Robert Malone is very concerned.

From my perspective it's okay if based on this information, and obviously in the context of much other information, you are not concerned and I am.

Pieter

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:57, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

On page 47 a radioactive marker was used to track the mRNA, and < 0.1 % were found in the ovaries and adrenal glands.  1% was found in the spleen.   Some was circuited in the plasma, and that ends up in the liver (21.5%) where enzymes chew it up.

 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/assessment-report/comirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 2:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

 

Just to continue; "your" article mainly addresses "antivaxxers". By no stretch of the imagination can dr Robert Malone be categorized as an "antivaxxer". He is the inventor of mRNA vaccination technology. He works in this field, his purpose in life is to promote things very much associated with vaccinations. It is very much against his self-interest to point out limitations in mRNA vaccination technology. 

My answer to your specific question is: if you connect the dots of dr Robert Malone's explanations and you try to connect the dots of the explanations in "your" article, I find his explanations more convincing.

 

I really don't have a problem if your connecting of the dots leads to a different conclusion.

Unless you come up with a good reason to refute this, I'm not going to discuss this further. How many times must we agree to disagree?

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:03, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:

dr Robert Malone explains how the Covid vaccine acts totally different than expected and different than all other vaccines. When a person gets vaccinated with other vaccines, there is a little bit of invection in the upper arm and the immune system kicks in, with "all the action" taking place in the area of the upper arm. On the other hand, with the Covid vaccine the vaccine particles, very unexpectedly, travels through the who;e body and "the action" is not limited to the upper arm area. Specifically a large concentration happens in the ovaries and that scares him very much.
"Your" article reads like an "activists" article. Dr Malone's explanation sounds to me like a serious scientists 

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 22:44, ⛧ glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK. What part of Malone's claims are not debunked? Again, I'm having trouble knowing what you're talking about because you won't be specific.

I'm fine with disagreeing. But I have no idea what we disagree about!


On June 18, 2021 12:36:28 PM PDT, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>Thank you Glen,
>
>I reread the article you posted
>https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-are-going-to-sterilize-our-womenfolk-take-2/
>and then I listened to where dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination technology discusses the potential harm of the Covid
>vaccines:
>The long discussion has been removed, but the following two clips are
>still
>available:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb_7E12VDE4 and
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY
>
>After reviewing this I came to the following conclusion:
>a) I 100% agree with "your" article in that it debunks many of the wild
>conspiracy theories. Thanks for this
>b) In "my" video clips, dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination
>technology, discusses carefully the potential harm of specifically the
>Covid vaccines. Refer to https://www.rwmalonemd.com/ for more about
>him. I
>don't find convincing arguments against these specific points in "your"
>article.
>
>Let me repeat, I am a VERY BIG fan of vaccinations in general and
>specifically of the mRNA vaccination technology. I am really excited
>about
>the potential benefits to humanity of this technology in that it could,
>in
>future, have effective vaccines available against viruses very soon
>after a
>new virus has been identified. Vaccinations have saved many lives the
>last
>half-century or so and mRNA vaccination technology could take the fight
>against virus infections even further.
>
>We all are confronted with data and information and we have to use our
>own
>judgement about what makes sense for ourselves. If you believe "your"
>article debunked what dr. Robert Malone said, fine, I am definitely not
>going to argue with you or try to change your mind.
>
>In my judgement, on the other hand, I don't find convincing arguments
>in
>"your" article debunking what Dr Robert Malone said.
>
>Again, I really appreciate your comments and I really do consider it,
>in
>general I value your judgement, but in this specific case I disagree
>with
>you. But at the end of the day we don't have to agree on how we
>interpret
>the information.
>
>Just on the cost, I was not referring to what it costs me personally. I
>was
>referring to the billions of dollars in taxpayers money big pharma got
>to
>develop the vaccines and the killing they now make to sell it to
>governments.
>
>About stirring the pot, in general I like to do exactly that, yes,
>guilty
>as charged. But in this specific case I am serious about seeking help.
>But
>please don't crucify me if we come to different conclusions on being
>presented with the same information. We can agree to disagree in a very
>positive spirit.
>

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[Roger Critchlow-2]

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx

-- rec --

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 3:05 PM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'm asplenic. Maybe I should have taken that into account.  The spleen's share had to go somewhere.

---
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140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 12:40 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nice, Roger.   So maybe it is not a grand conspiracy by the Chinese and big pharma to thin the population.  (See Utopia on Amazon.)

On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:



Peeter's graph showing a high concentration in the ovaries at 48 hours is deceptive.  

Examining https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf shows that Peeter's graph omits all the data points in the original dataset that were greater than the 12.3 µg/g (or µg/mL, not just mL, parts per million of tritiated lipid) that the ovaries reached at 48 hours.  Aside from the major reservoirs of injected material such as the injection point, the liver, and the spleen, it also omits the adrenal glands, the small intestine, the large intestine, and the lungs all of which had higher concentrations than the ovaries at 48 h.

I lost interest in redoing the graph, but the data table in text form is attached.

The highest point on the graph of the complete data set is 394 at the injection site at 1 h after injection, estimated to be 52.6% of the injected material.  The ovary datapoint at 48 h is estimated to be 0.093% of the injected material.

That's from simply comparing the numbers in the source table to the information presented in Peeter's graph, no chemistry, biology, medicine, or pharmaceutical knowledge is required.

-- rec --

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:59 AM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Remember that the spike proteins are anchored on the cells and that it isn’t resulting in replication.   It isn’t clear what the y axis refers to.

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 10:01 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

 

Thank you Marcus. 

It seems like the authors of the study report you referenced and dr Robert Malone worked from the same data. See attached png file of a screenshot I made of the video where he discussed this issue.

It's just that they came to different conclusions. The authors of the report you referenced are not concerned about it whilst dr Robert Malone is very concerned.

From my perspective it's okay if based on this information, and obviously in the context of much other information, you are not concerned and I am.

Pieter

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:57, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

On page 47 a radioactive marker was used to track the mRNA, and < 0.1 % were found in the ovaries and adrenal glands.  1% was found in the spleen.   Some was circuited in the plasma, and that ends up in the liver (21.5%) where enzymes chew it up.

 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/assessment-report/comirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 2:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

 

Just to continue; "your" article mainly addresses "antivaxxers". By no stretch of the imagination can dr Robert Malone be categorized as an "antivaxxer". He is the inventor of mRNA vaccination technology. He works in this field, his purpose in life is to promote things very much associated with vaccinations. It is very much against his self-interest to point out limitations in mRNA vaccination technology. 

My answer to your specific question is: if you connect the dots of dr Robert Malone's explanations and you try to connect the dots of the explanations in "your" article, I find his explanations more convincing.

 

I really don't have a problem if your connecting of the dots leads to a different conclusion.

Unless you come up with a good reason to refute this, I'm not going to discuss this further. How many times must we agree to disagree?

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:03, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:

dr Robert Malone explains how the Covid vaccine acts totally different than expected and different than all other vaccines. When a person gets vaccinated with other vaccines, there is a little bit of invection in the upper arm and the immune system kicks in, with "all the action" taking place in the area of the upper arm. On the other hand, with the Covid vaccine the vaccine particles, very unexpectedly, travels through the who;e body and "the action" is not limited to the upper arm area. Specifically a large concentration happens in the ovaries and that scares him very much.
"Your" article reads like an "activists" article. Dr Malone's explanation sounds to me like a serious scientists 

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 22:44, ⛧ glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK. What part of Malone's claims are not debunked? Again, I'm having trouble knowing what you're talking about because you won't be specific.

I'm fine with disagreeing. But I have no idea what we disagree about!


On June 18, 2021 12:36:28 PM PDT, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>Thank you Glen,
>
>I reread the article you posted
>https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-are-going-to-sterilize-our-womenfolk-take-2/
>and then I listened to where dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination technology discusses the potential harm of the Covid
>vaccines:
>The long discussion has been removed, but the following two clips are
>still
>available:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb_7E12VDE4 and
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY
>
>After reviewing this I came to the following conclusion:
>a) I 100% agree with "your" article in that it debunks many of the wild
>conspiracy theories. Thanks for this
>b) In "my" video clips, dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination
>technology, discusses carefully the potential harm of specifically the
>Covid vaccines. Refer to https://www.rwmalonemd.com/ for more about
>him. I
>don't find convincing arguments against these specific points in "your"
>article.
>
>Let me repeat, I am a VERY BIG fan of vaccinations in general and
>specifically of the mRNA vaccination technology. I am really excited
>about
>the potential benefits to humanity of this technology in that it could,
>in
>future, have effective vaccines available against viruses very soon
>after a
>new virus has been identified. Vaccinations have saved many lives the
>last
>half-century or so and mRNA vaccination technology could take the fight
>against virus infections even further.
>
>We all are confronted with data and information and we have to use our
>own
>judgement about what makes sense for ourselves. If you believe "your"
>article debunked what dr. Robert Malone said, fine, I am definitely not
>going to argue with you or try to change your mind.
>
>In my judgement, on the other hand, I don't find convincing arguments
>in
>"your" article debunking what Dr Robert Malone said.
>
>Again, I really appreciate your comments and I really do consider it,
>in
>general I value your judgement, but in this specific case I disagree
>with
>you. But at the end of the day we don't have to agree on how we
>interpret
>the information.
>
>Just on the cost, I was not referring to what it costs me personally. I
>was
>referring to the billions of dollars in taxpayers money big pharma got
>to
>develop the vaccines and the killing they now make to sell it to
>governments.
>
>About stirring the pot, in general I like to do exactly that, yes,
>guilty
>as charged. But in this specific case I am serious about seeking help.
>But
>please don't crucify me if we come to different conclusions on being
>presented with the same information. We can agree to disagree in a very
>positive spirit.
>

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[Marcus G. Daniels]

The Approved Dose of Ivermectin Alone is not the Ideal Dose for the Treatment of COVID‐19 - Schmith - 2020 - Clinical Pharmacology &amp; Therapeutics - Wiley Online Library

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:50 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

 

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx

 

-- rec --

 

 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 3:05 PM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'm asplenic. Maybe I should have taken that into account.  The spleen's share had to go somewhere.

 

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 12:40 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nice, Roger.   So maybe it is not a grand conspiracy by the Chinese and big pharma to thin the population.  (See Utopia on Amazon.)

On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:



Peeter's graph showing a high concentration in the ovaries at 48 hours is deceptive.  

 

Examining https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf shows that Peeter's graph omits all the data points in the original dataset that were greater than the 12.3 µg/g (or µg/mL, not just mL, parts per million of tritiated lipid) that the ovaries reached at 48 hours.  Aside from the major reservoirs of injected material such as the injection point, the liver, and the spleen, it also omits the adrenal glands, the small intestine, the large intestine, and the lungs all of which had higher concentrations than the ovaries at 48 h.

 

I lost interest in redoing the graph, but the data table in text form is attached.

 

The highest point on the graph of the complete data set is 394 at the injection site at 1 h after injection, estimated to be 52.6% of the injected material.  The ovary datapoint at 48 h is estimated to be 0.093% of the injected material.

 

That's from simply comparing the numbers in the source table to the information presented in Peeter's graph, no chemistry, biology, medicine, or pharmaceutical knowledge is required.

 

-- rec --

 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:59 AM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Remember that the spike proteins are anchored on the cells and that it isn’t resulting in replication.   It isn’t clear what the y axis refers to.

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 10:01 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

 

Thank you Marcus. 

It seems like the authors of the study report you referenced and dr Robert Malone worked from the same data. See attached png file of a screenshot I made of the video where he discussed this issue.

It's just that they came to different conclusions. The authors of the report you referenced are not concerned about it whilst dr Robert Malone is very concerned.

From my perspective it's okay if based on this information, and obviously in the context of much other information, you are not concerned and I am.

Pieter

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:57, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

On page 47 a radioactive marker was used to track the mRNA, and < 0.1 % were found in the ovaries and adrenal glands.  1% was found in the spleen.   Some was circuited in the plasma, and that ends up in the liver (21.5%) where enzymes chew it up.

 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/assessment-report/comirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 2:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

 

Just to continue; "your" article mainly addresses "antivaxxers". By no stretch of the imagination can dr Robert Malone be categorized as an "antivaxxer". He is the inventor of mRNA vaccination technology. He works in this field, his purpose in life is to promote things very much associated with vaccinations. It is very much against his self-interest to point out limitations in mRNA vaccination technology. 

My answer to your specific question is: if you connect the dots of dr Robert Malone's explanations and you try to connect the dots of the explanations in "your" article, I find his explanations more convincing.

 

I really don't have a problem if your connecting of the dots leads to a different conclusion.

Unless you come up with a good reason to refute this, I'm not going to discuss this further. How many times must we agree to disagree?

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:03, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:

dr Robert Malone explains how the Covid vaccine acts totally different than expected and different than all other vaccines. When a person gets vaccinated with other vaccines, there is a little bit of invection in the upper arm and the immune system kicks in, with "all the action" taking place in the area of the upper arm. On the other hand, with the Covid vaccine the vaccine particles, very unexpectedly, travels through the who;e body and "the action" is not limited to the upper arm area. Specifically a large concentration happens in the ovaries and that scares him very much.
"Your" article reads like an "activists" article. Dr Malone's explanation sounds to me like a serious scientists 

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 22:44, ⛧ glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK. What part of Malone's claims are not debunked? Again, I'm having trouble knowing what you're talking about because you won't be specific.

I'm fine with disagreeing. But I have no idea what we disagree about!


On June 18, 2021 12:36:28 PM PDT, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>Thank you Glen,
>
>I reread the article you posted
>https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-are-going-to-sterilize-our-womenfolk-take-2/
>and then I listened to where dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination technology discusses the potential harm of the Covid
>vaccines:
>The long discussion has been removed, but the following two clips are
>still
>available:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb_7E12VDE4 and
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY
>
>After reviewing this I came to the following conclusion:
>a) I 100% agree with "your" article in that it debunks many of the wild
>conspiracy theories. Thanks for this
>b) In "my" video clips, dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination
>technology, discusses carefully the potential harm of specifically the
>Covid vaccines. Refer to https://www.rwmalonemd.com/ for more about
>him. I
>don't find convincing arguments against these specific points in "your"
>article.
>
>Let me repeat, I am a VERY BIG fan of vaccinations in general and
>specifically of the mRNA vaccination technology. I am really excited
>about
>the potential benefits to humanity of this technology in that it could,
>in
>future, have effective vaccines available against viruses very soon
>after a
>new virus has been identified. Vaccinations have saved many lives the
>last
>half-century or so and mRNA vaccination technology could take the fight
>against virus infections even further.
>
>We all are confronted with data and information and we have to use our
>own
>judgement about what makes sense for ourselves. If you believe "your"
>article debunked what dr. Robert Malone said, fine, I am definitely not
>going to argue with you or try to change your mind.
>
>In my judgement, on the other hand, I don't find convincing arguments
>in
>"your" article debunking what Dr Robert Malone said.
>
>Again, I really appreciate your comments and I really do consider it,
>in
>general I value your judgement, but in this specific case I disagree
>with
>you. But at the end of the day we don't have to agree on how we
>interpret
>the information.
>
>Just on the cost, I was not referring to what it costs me personally. I
>was
>referring to the billions of dollars in taxpayers money big pharma got
>to
>develop the vaccines and the killing they now make to sell it to
>governments.
>
>About stirring the pot, in general I like to do exactly that, yes,
>guilty
>as charged. But in this specific case I am serious about seeking help.
>But
>please don't crucify me if we come to different conclusions on being
>presented with the same information. We can agree to disagree in a very
>positive spirit.
>

--
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[Marcus G. Daniels]

So in the context of preventing another disease (COVID-19) by taking advantage of an existing treatment (e.g. in Africa), it doesn’t make a lot of sense.

And speaking of safety..

 

“In animal studies, ivermectin was shown to be teratogenic when given in doses that were maternotoxic. These results raise concerns about administering ivermectin to people who are in the early stages of pregnancy (prior to 10 weeks gestation)”

 

Ivermectin | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines (nih.gov)

 

That leaves the possibility of using this drug for treatment instead of prophylaxis.  But in that case, there will likely be a high viral load, so already a lot of spike proteins moving about.

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 1:25 PM
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The Approved Dose of Ivermectin Alone is not the Ideal Dose for the Treatment of COVID‐19 - Schmith - 2020 - Clinical Pharmacology &amp; Therapeutics - Wiley Online Library

 

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https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx

 

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On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 3:05 PM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'm asplenic. Maybe I should have taken that into account.  The spleen's share had to go somewhere.

 

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On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 12:40 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nice, Roger.   So maybe it is not a grand conspiracy by the Chinese and big pharma to thin the population.  (See Utopia on Amazon.)

 

On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:



Peeter's graph showing a high concentration in the ovaries at 48 hours is deceptive.  

 

Examining https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf shows that Peeter's graph omits all the data points in the original dataset that were greater than the 12.3 µg/g (or µg/mL, not just mL, parts per million of tritiated lipid) that the ovaries reached at 48 hours.  Aside from the major reservoirs of injected material such as the injection point, the liver, and the spleen, it also omits the adrenal glands, the small intestine, the large intestine, and the lungs all of which had higher concentrations than the ovaries at 48 h.

 

I lost interest in redoing the graph, but the data table in text form is attached.

 

The highest point on the graph of the complete data set is 394 at the injection site at 1 h after injection, estimated to be 52.6% of the injected material.  The ovary datapoint at 48 h is estimated to be 0.093% of the injected material.

 

That's from simply comparing the numbers in the source table to the information presented in Peeter's graph, no chemistry, biology, medicine, or pharmaceutical knowledge is required.

 

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On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:59 AM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Remember that the spike proteins are anchored on the cells and that it isn’t resulting in replication.   It isn’t clear what the y axis refers to.

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
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Thank you Marcus. 

It seems like the authors of the study report you referenced and dr Robert Malone worked from the same data. See attached png file of a screenshot I made of the video where he discussed this issue.

It's just that they came to different conclusions. The authors of the report you referenced are not concerned about it whilst dr Robert Malone is very concerned.

From my perspective it's okay if based on this information, and obviously in the context of much other information, you are not concerned and I am.

Pieter

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:57, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

On page 47 a radioactive marker was used to track the mRNA, and < 0.1 % were found in the ovaries and adrenal glands.  1% was found in the spleen.   Some was circuited in the plasma, and that ends up in the liver (21.5%) where enzymes chew it up.

 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/assessment-report/comirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 2:27 PM
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Just to continue; "your" article mainly addresses "antivaxxers". By no stretch of the imagination can dr Robert Malone be categorized as an "antivaxxer". He is the inventor of mRNA vaccination technology. He works in this field, his purpose in life is to promote things very much associated with vaccinations. It is very much against his self-interest to point out limitations in mRNA vaccination technology. 

My answer to your specific question is: if you connect the dots of dr Robert Malone's explanations and you try to connect the dots of the explanations in "your" article, I find his explanations more convincing.

 

I really don't have a problem if your connecting of the dots leads to a different conclusion.

Unless you come up with a good reason to refute this, I'm not going to discuss this further. How many times must we agree to disagree?

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:03, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:

dr Robert Malone explains how the Covid vaccine acts totally different than expected and different than all other vaccines. When a person gets vaccinated with other vaccines, there is a little bit of invection in the upper arm and the immune system kicks in, with "all the action" taking place in the area of the upper arm. On the other hand, with the Covid vaccine the vaccine particles, very unexpectedly, travels through the who;e body and "the action" is not limited to the upper arm area. Specifically a large concentration happens in the ovaries and that scares him very much.
"Your" article reads like an "activists" article. Dr Malone's explanation sounds to me like a serious scientists 

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 22:44, ⛧ glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK. What part of Malone's claims are not debunked? Again, I'm having trouble knowing what you're talking about because you won't be specific.

I'm fine with disagreeing. But I have no idea what we disagree about!


On June 18, 2021 12:36:28 PM PDT, Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>Thank you Glen,
>
>I reread the article you posted
>https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-are-going-to-sterilize-our-womenfolk-take-2/
>and then I listened to where dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination technology discusses the potential harm of the Covid
>vaccines:
>The long discussion has been removed, but the following two clips are
>still
>available:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb_7E12VDE4 and
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY
>
>After reviewing this I came to the following conclusion:
>a) I 100% agree with "your" article in that it debunks many of the wild
>conspiracy theories. Thanks for this
>b) In "my" video clips, dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>vaccination
>technology, discusses carefully the potential harm of specifically the
>Covid vaccines. Refer to https://www.rwmalonemd.com/ for more about
>him. I
>don't find convincing arguments against these specific points in "your"
>article.
>
>Let me repeat, I am a VERY BIG fan of vaccinations in general and
>specifically of the mRNA vaccination technology. I am really excited
>about
>the potential benefits to humanity of this technology in that it could,
>in
>future, have effective vaccines available against viruses very soon
>after a
>new virus has been identified. Vaccinations have saved many lives the
>last
>half-century or so and mRNA vaccination technology could take the fight
>against virus infections even further.
>
>We all are confronted with data and information and we have to use our
>own
>judgement about what makes sense for ourselves. If you believe "your"
>article debunked what dr. Robert Malone said, fine, I am definitely not
>going to argue with you or try to change your mind.
>
>In my judgement, on the other hand, I don't find convincing arguments
>in
>"your" article debunking what Dr Robert Malone said.
>
>Again, I really appreciate your comments and I really do consider it,
>in
>general I value your judgement, but in this specific case I disagree
>with
>you. But at the end of the day we don't have to agree on how we
>interpret
>the information.
>
>Just on the cost, I was not referring to what it costs me personally. I
>was
>referring to the billions of dollars in taxpayers money big pharma got
>to
>develop the vaccines and the killing they now make to sell it to
>governments.
>
>About stirring the pot, in general I like to do exactly that, yes,
>guilty
>as charged. But in this specific case I am serious about seeking help.
>But
>please don't crucify me if we come to different conclusions on being
>presented with the same information. We can agree to disagree in a very
>positive spirit.
>

--
glen ⛧

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On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 2:40 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nice, Roger.   So maybe it is not a grand conspiracy by the Chinese and big pharma to thin the population.  (See Utopia on Amazon.)

It would be nice to know if someone with a pair of ovaries had checked that this uptake by the ovaries was not a problem.  If it's just an unbroken chain of men attesting to the harmlessness, it might be male-pattern blindness.

The story of Robert W Malone, inventor of the RNA vaccine, has touched my sympathy.  He worked for Inder Verma:

Verma was the editor-in-chief of the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America (PNAS) from 2011 to 2018,^[6] but stepped down after being named in a gender discrimination lawsuit against the Salk Institute.^[7] In April 2018 the Salk institute placed him on leave for "unspecified allegations"; Verma himself stated that the leave was connected to the same lawsuit,^[8] but it came shortly before publication of an exposé alleging decades-long sexual harassment and assault of multiple women by Verma. In June 2018 he resigned his position at the Salk Institute, before the board of trustees of the institute could take action regarding these allegations.^[9]

Not the kind of first lab experience anyone deserves.

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Individuals with ovaries probably don’t want to get COVID-19 either for the same reason.

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On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 2:40 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nice, Roger.   So maybe it is not a grand conspiracy by the Chinese and big pharma to thin the population.  (See Utopia on Amazon.)

It would be nice to know if someone with a pair of ovaries had checked that this uptake by the ovaries was not a problem.  If it's just an unbroken chain of men attesting to the harmlessness, it might be male-pattern blindness.

The story of Robert W Malone, inventor of the RNA vaccine, has touched my sympathy.  He worked for Inder Verma:

Verma was the editor-in-chief of the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America (PNAS) from 2011 to 2018,^[6] but stepped down after being named in a gender discrimination lawsuit against the Salk Institute.^[7] In April 2018 the Salk institute placed him on leave for "unspecified allegations"; Verma himself stated that the leave was connected to the same lawsuit,^[8] but it came shortly before publication of an exposé alleging decades-long sexual harassment and assault of multiple women by Verma. In June 2018 he resigned his position at the Salk Institute, before the board of trustees of the institute could take action regarding these allegations.^[9]

Not the kind of first lab experience anyone deserves.

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.09.21255195v1

On Jun 19, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

 Individuals with ovaries probably don’t want to get COVID-19 either for the same reason.

On Jun 19, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:



On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 2:40 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nice, Roger.   So maybe it is not a grand conspiracy by the Chinese and big pharma to thin the population.  (See Utopia on Amazon.)

It would be nice to know if someone with a pair of ovaries had checked that this uptake by the ovaries was not a problem.  If it's just an unbroken chain of men attesting to the harmlessness, it might be male-pattern blindness.

The story of Robert W Malone, inventor of the RNA vaccine, has touched my sympathy.  He worked for Inder Verma:

Verma was the editor-in-chief of the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America (PNAS) from 2011 to 2018,^[6] but stepped down after being named in a gender discrimination lawsuit against the Salk Institute.^[7] In April 2018 the Salk institute placed him on leave for "unspecified allegations"; Verma himself stated that the leave was connected to the same lawsuit,^[8] but it came shortly before publication of an exposé alleging decades-long sexual harassment and assault of multiple women by Verma. In June 2018 he resigned his position at the Salk Institute, before the board of trustees of the institute could take action regarding these allegations.^[9]

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[Pieter Steenekamp]

Just a brief thank you to Friam; the robust discussions and information supplied resulted in me changing my mind; when I get the call to be vaccinated, I will now go and receive it without qualms.

Why do you have a mind if you can't change it?

On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 at 23:08, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.09.21255195v1

On Jun 19, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

 Individuals with ovaries probably don’t want to get COVID-19 either for the same reason.

On Jun 19, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:



On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 2:40 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nice, Roger.   So maybe it is not a grand conspiracy by the Chinese and big pharma to thin the population.  (See Utopia on Amazon.)

It would be nice to know if someone with a pair of ovaries had checked that this uptake by the ovaries was not a problem.  If it's just an unbroken chain of men attesting to the harmlessness, it might be male-pattern blindness.

The story of Robert W Malone, inventor of the RNA vaccine, has touched my sympathy.  He worked for Inder Verma:

Verma was the editor-in-chief of the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America (PNAS) from 2011 to 2018,^[6] but stepped down after being named in a gender discrimination lawsuit against the Salk Institute.^[7] In April 2018 the Salk institute placed him on leave for "unspecified allegations"; Verma himself stated that the leave was connected to the same lawsuit,^[8] but it came shortly before publication of an exposé alleging decades-long sexual harassment and assault of multiple women by Verma. In June 2018 he resigned his position at the Salk Institute, before the board of trustees of the institute could take action regarding these allegations.^[9]

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