Ignorance feeds ignorance, and extremism on one side creates and extremism
on the other. Unless there are more people like you in the west and the Muslim world who can see beyond the demonized "other" and their own self righteous indignation. > They do this, we do that. > The fued continues, > as fueds always have > and always will I sure hope the vicious cycle stop, if there is a future for humanity beyond the next 100 or so years. There may be an underlying theme which units this current crisis in the Middle East with all the previous struggles we've had with decaying feudal systems starting with the American Civil War. [Consider the KKK as the forerunner of Al Qaida, et al.] America tries for a time to coexist with them, until they attack. Without meaning to be, the US stands as a vital threat to such regimes, just by remaining viable. I believe that the Industrial Revolution (and it's forerunners in the Renaissance) made the end of slavery and the liberation of women possible. In all traditional societies, the enslavement of the majority is the first critical task. If most people aren't willing to be effectively enslaved (as serfs, slaves, etc.), and still be productive and not require excessive policing, then no elite can exist to read and write books, create and propagate culture, learning, and exploration. It requires a great deal to make that work; the enslaved peoples themselves had to see the fruit of their labors as worthwhile enough not to revolt. Having created such a construction, after a huge investment of blood and treasure, how ready would you be to give it up for something new? The traditional view, part of what the serfs are sold on, is that power must be highly concentrated to be effective. This is how Nazism and Communism were sold to central and eastern Europeans when their traditional societies collapsed. It is also how Arab Fascism was sold in the Middle East (as Nasserism) and how Islamo Fascism is being sold now. The vision is that even if Middle Eastern societies are economically ineffective (despite their remarkable people) they can be so terrifying in their enthusiasm for death, that the West with all it's inventiveness will still submit to them. >From a complexity point of view, how does one make the switch? Traditional societies concentrate all their power in one person's hands. Democratic Free Enterprise societies disperse it in thousands of industries, producing a whole which, while tremendously powerful, is almost incomprehensible. We are, in effect, everything at the same time. Every philosophy, every religion, every style, every language, every field of study, every ethnicity and race. We even practice the traditional style as much as needed: a lot of power is concentrated in our president's hands, especially when we are attacked. Still, he can be angrily vilified even in the midst of a war. It is hard for people raised in a traditional society to believe any of that is really possible. The average Soviet citizen, I've read, even while opposing his government, was certain that there must be central planning being done in secret in America. Is there something short of conquest that can convince people that something as amorphous as a self organized economy and political system could possibly work? I've read that it was seeing an American Super Market in New Jersey that sold Boris Yeltsin -- he couldn't believe that we allow regular working people to shop there. A big, big room with >100,000 products for sale is a pretty good symbol for who we are and how much we empower people. The vitality of American Christianity, and the florishing of American Moslems, is a strong demonstration that the Middle East does not have to give up Islam to be modern, democratic, and free. What will cause people to flip? The Iraqi Shiites and Kurds are sold, the Lebonese Christians and Druze, the Iranians mostly are, what will it take for Egypt? for Libya? for Pakistan? If we've learned one thing in the last 150 years, it's that societies facing this transition are very, very dangerous. Think what it took to change German People's minds on this point. -Mike Oliker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20060227/4fec35d6/attachment-0001.htm |
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