The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality"
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Fantastic! That would make a good bumper sticker:
Pareto Front Dempster-Shaffer Fuzzy Belief Plausibility I worry about too many glue words, with modified, implementing, and measures. Reminds me why I like Clutch: > Ribonucleic acid freak out, the power of prayer. > Long halls of science and all the lunatics committed there. > Robot Lords of Tokyo, SMILE TASTE KITTENS! > Did you not know that the royal hunting grounds are always forbidden? On 09/20/2017 01:40 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > Having worked on problems roughly described as multivariate optimization decision support, I'm thinking, a high dimensional Pareto Frontier with modified Dempster-Shaffer methods implementing Fuzzy Belief and Plausability measures. It maps well onto consciousness as wave-function collapse (for Quantum Consciousness Wonks) or at least (for CS majors) late binding. For English Majors, I refer you back to Douglas Adams who describes all of this in very good, imagistic prose. -- ☣ gⅼеɳ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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Re: The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality"
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Thanks, Glen, Simonds (?!) and all. This seems to have spiraled beyond my comprehension. On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:11 PM gⅼеɳ ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote: Fantastic! That would make a good bumper sticker: -- Russ Abbott Professor, Computer Science California State University, Los Angeles ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 03:38:29AM +0000, Russ Abbott wrote:
> Nick wrote, "the idea of a real world outside experience is nonsense" > > What does that say about areas of the universe or periods of the universe > that have no experiencing beings? > > Also, we synchronize our experiences so that we can communicate. (And we > manage to do that reasonably well most of the time.) Is there any reason > that's even possible if there is no real world outside each person's > individual experience? (Or does this misrepresent what you have in mind?) > My dear realist and anti-realist friends! I have been having a long debate with another philosopher friend of mine who essentially argues that Goedel's incompleteness theorem entails realism. For the purposes of our discussion, we define realism as being properties independent of observation, ie brute facts about the world, and anti-realism as the position that there are no such properties - every observed property must either come about through the process of observation, or be effectively random eg I speak English here,but there are other people who speak Chinese, and somewhere out in the Multiverse are people speaking any conceivable language, One may categorise realism as the position that some things are and other things aren't. Roughly as a result of that, I argue in my book Theory of Nothing that Everythingism (ie everything exists in a Multiverse) entails anti-realism, ie that laws of physics must be grounded in psychological laws, and vice-versa. As a consequence, discussions of ontology (what might be the real fabric of our existence) are pointless, as no empirical observation can reveal anything about it. Anyway, back to lurking... Cheers -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Senior Research Fellow [hidden email] Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Russell writes:
"One may categorise realism as the position that some things are and other things aren't. Roughly as a result of that, I argue in my book Theory of Nothing that Everythingism (ie everything exists in a Multiverse) entails anti-realism, ie that laws of physics must be grounded in psychological laws, and vice-versa. As a consequence, discussions of ontology (what might be the real fabric of our existence) are pointless, as no empirical observation can reveal anything about it." Isn't it plausible that there are different psychological laws in different bubbles of the multiverse? How would minds span these multiverses to find out if there are universal laws? Marcus ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:44:51PM +0000, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> > Isn't it plausible that there are different psychological laws in > different bubbles of the multiverse? Obviously. Differences in "laws" means they're not laws, of course, but geographical facts. > How would minds span these multiverses to find out if there are universal laws? > In much the same way as porcupines have sex - with difficulty! But I'm an optimistic guy - I think it is doable. Ultimately, we probably won't know for sure, though, without a decent theory of consciousness. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Senior Research Fellow [hidden email] Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Is this substantially different from modal realism? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_realism
On 09/21/2017 03:54 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:44:51PM +0000, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> >> Isn't it plausible that there are different psychological laws in >> different bubbles of the multiverse? -- ☣ gⅼеɳ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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