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Jochen Fromm-5
Tesla Motors has a nice map which state uses what kind of energy, California depends mostly on Gas, while New Mexico uses mostly Coal. Anyone driving a Tesla Model S in Santa Fe already? 

http://www.teslamotors.com/goelectric#electricity

-J.


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Steve Smith
Jochen -

Have you bought yours yet?  In Colorado, the tax incentives a few years ago created huge effective discounts... something like 40% of the vehicle cost was recovered in tax breaks.

I'm a member of a local EV enthusiasts group and there definitely isn't one in that crowd... there IS a Nissan Leaf and a whole host of DIY conversions, but nobody with the funding for something like the Tesla.  One of the guys has a DeLorean he plans to convert.  Me I'm a VW Cabriolet (nod to German Engineering) kinda guy.

If our major source of electricity is coal, it is likely from the Kaipowaritz plant in NW AZ... they have been digging coal and sluicing it 100 miles from the middle of the Navajo Rez for 40 years or more...  a (Navajo) friend of mine was studying the problems with the aquifer that came with that sluicing 30 years ago while I was helping with the investigation of the corruption in the McDonald administration on the Rez.   Nothing changes.

We have a lot of natural gas in NM, but apparently we don't have the power plants?  We *are* a small state with a limited heating as well as cooling season (even our deserts have late start/early end summers and our mountains warm days in spring and autumn).

- Steve
Tesla Motors has a nice map which state uses what kind of energy, California depends mostly on Gas, while New Mexico uses mostly Coal. Anyone driving a Tesla Model S in Santa Fe already? 

http://www.teslamotors.com/goelectric#electricity

-J.



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If PNM runs all plants at maximum capacity (up to the percentage that PNM owns - some are shared), then the two coal plants produce around 900 megawatts while the rest of the plants (nuclear, wind, natural gas) produce 1100 megawatts.  That would only happen at the hottest day of summer, however.  The natural gas plants are peakers with some alternating to the spot market - that's up to 576 megawatts.  One major reason New Mexico doesn't use more of its own natural gas in power plants is that there are no natural gas processing plants in the state - all of our gas is collected and piped to Texas for processing.  That's why we had the natural gas problem a few winters ago - the plants in west Texas lost power and GasCo wasn't getting any gas.

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On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Steve Smith wrote:

Jochen -

Have you bought yours yet?  In Colorado, the tax incentives a few years ago created huge effective discounts... something like 40% of the vehicle cost was recovered in tax breaks.

I'm a member of a local EV enthusiasts group and there definitely isn't one in that crowd... there IS a Nissan Leaf and a whole host of DIY conversions, but nobody with the funding for something like the Tesla.  One of the guys has a DeLorean he plans to convert.  Me I'm a VW Cabriolet (nod to German Engineering) kinda guy.

If our major source of electricity is coal, it is likely from the Kaipowaritz plant in NW AZ... they have been digging coal and sluicing it 100 miles from the middle of the Navajo Rez for 40 years or more...  a (Navajo) friend of mine was studying the problems with the aquifer that came with that sluicing 30 years ago while I was helping with the investigation of the corruption in the McDonald administration on the Rez.   Nothing changes.

We have a lot of natural gas in NM, but apparently we don't have the power plants?  We *are* a small state with a limited heating as well as cooling season (even our deserts have late start/early end summers and our mountains warm days in spring and autumn).

- Steve
Tesla Motors has a nice map which state uses what kind of energy, California depends mostly on Gas, while New Mexico uses mostly Coal. Anyone driving a Tesla Model S in Santa Fe already? 

http://www.teslamotors.com/goelectric#electricity

-J.


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Steve Smith
Ray -
If PNM runs all plants at maximum capacity (up to the percentage that PNM owns - some are shared), then the two coal plants produce around 900 megawatts while the rest of the plants (nuclear, wind, natural gas) produce 1100 megawatts.  That would only happen at the hottest day of summer, however.  The natural gas plants are peakers with some alternating to the spot market - that's up to 576 megawatts.  One major reason New Mexico doesn't use more of its own natural gas in power plants is that there are no natural gas processing plants in the state - all of our gas is collected and piped to Texas for processing.  That's why we had the natural gas problem a few winters ago - the plants in west Texas lost power and GasCo wasn't getting any gas.
From reading PNM's site, I see that (all?) the coal comes from the 4 corners area, split between the San Juan and the Four Corners plants. 

I didn't appreciate how hard it was to process Natural Gas...  seems like a shame to have to pump it all the way from the (many?) fields in the 4 corners and Grants/Gallup area all the way to TX just to run it back properly "processed"?    Seems like Gary Johnson would have fixed that problem when he was in office... maybe if he makes it to President ;^) ?!

The  136 turbine wind-farm near Ft Sumner sounds like it generates about 1/2 of PNM's portion of the Palo Verde nuclear plant (385MW) at 200 MW...  

It looks like PNM owns 10% of the Palo Verde/Tonopah 3,850 MW capacity.   It is an interesting factoid presented on their page:
If all the electricity used throughout one person's life was produced by nuclear power, that person's share of waste from nuclear facilities would fit in a soda can.
I'm guessing that if one owned a Tesla (or any EV), the lifetime "nuclear waste footprint" would be more like a Big Gulp... or that of a cremation urn.   Perhaps a good argument/strategy for nuclear power would be to allow/require every person to take responsibility for their own waste.  Maybe the cemetary/mausoleum business could take care of this?   "The solution to pollution is dilution" suggests that mixing one's cremains with one's nuclear waste and spreading them as many people do might be a solution?   Probably not.  But it is kind of poetic.  7 Billion people alive today... 7 Billion Soda Cans, 84 Billion oz, a mere 87 Million Cubic feet (Arlo, can you figure the buttloads for me?) or just over 10E-5 cubic miles?

I wonder how large of a volume of dead birds (anecdotally a problem with wind turbines?) one would be responsible for in their lifetime?  How big of a diamond would one have to bury with their dead if we captured (how?) and compressed (how?) our Carbon footprint to it's smallest physical state? Would the O and H and N and S molecules just squeeze out?  What to do with them?  Sounds like a perpetual motion (chemical) machine.

<morbid twist> When we spread my father's ashes (illegally) on Forest Service land (he had been a career Forest Service professional), there was a twinge of guilt (after all, it is *illegal*) and a twinge of "go fuck yerself bureaucrats, there is no problem here, move along!"   Later that year, the Silver Fire burned through the area, pretty much making his miniscule 5 lbs of "cremains" irrelevant by nearly any measure.   I suppose a soda-can sized slug of depleted uranium (or whatever the waste actually is?)  would not have been fazed by the fire, however, surely setting off gieger counters and increasing the rate of cancers in hikers making the mistake of camping on his ashes.
</morbid twist>

- Steve


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Re: Tesla Map

Jochen Fromm-5
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Steve -

sure, I ordered a few in different colors ;-) No, seriously, the price of a Model S is about 80,000 € ( ~ 100,000 $ ), this is much more than I earn in a year. And I don't own a garage where I could recharge it. I don't even own a house, we have rented an apartment in the city.

But I already use electric vehicles, public transport and subway work with electric trains, and car sharing services offer more and more electric cars as well. I think this is the future, high-speed rails between cities, and electric car sharing inside, at least for the big mega cities like LA and NY in the US, or London, Paris and Berlin in Europe.

-J.


On 10/31/2013 10:37 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
Jochen -

Have you bought yours yet?  In Colorado, the tax incentives a few years ago created huge effective discounts... something like 40% of the vehicle cost was recovered in tax breaks.

I'm a member of a local EV enthusiasts group and there definitely isn't one in that crowd... there IS a Nissan Leaf and a whole host of DIY conversions, but nobody with the funding for something like the Tesla.  One of the guys has a DeLorean he plans to convert.  Me I'm a VW Cabriolet (nod to German Engineering) kinda guy.

If our major source of electricity is coal, it is likely from the Kaipowaritz plant in NW AZ... they have been digging coal and sluicing it 100 miles from the middle of the Navajo Rez for 40 years or more...  a (Navajo) friend of mine was studying the problems with the aquifer that came with that sluicing 30 years ago while I was helping with the investigation of the corruption in the McDonald administration on the Rez.   Nothing changes.

We have a lot of natural gas in NM, but apparently we don't have the power plants?  We *are* a small state with a limited heating as well as cooling season (even our deserts have late start/early end summers and our mountains warm days in spring and autumn).

- Steve
Tesla Motors has a nice map which state uses what kind of energy, California depends mostly on Gas, while New Mexico uses mostly Coal. Anyone driving a Tesla Model S in Santa Fe already? 

http://www.teslamotors.com/goelectric#electricity

-J.




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