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Swine flu

Douglas Roberts-2
A brief lay-level article I wrote for the SFR, at the request of one of their reporters:

http://www.sfreeper.com/2009/04/27/swine-flu/

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Re: Swine flu

Nick Thompson
Doug,
 
Isn't there another reason to do everything in our power to slow the spread of the disease? Within each patient is going on a desperate war between more virulent and less virulent strains of the virus.  More virulent strains reproduce faster, shed more stuff in the early stages of the disease and kill the patient quick; less virulent strains reproduce more slowly, shed less stuff in the early stages, but allow the patient to get around more to spread the disease.  Slowing the spread of the disease, particularly in the early stages, handicaps the more virulent strains in this competition.  One of the reasons the 1918 epidemic was so bad is that all those young recruits were packed together under lousy living conditions so transmission was practically instantaneous and the more virulent strains were rewarded.  This is NOT a time to suck it up and go to work when you feel shitty. 
My authority here is Paul Ewald, The Evolution of Infectious Diseases, who argues, for instance, the use of mosquito nettings reduces the virulence of malaria infections. 
 
Is this correct?
 
Nick
 
Nicholas S. Thompson
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Clark University ([hidden email])
 
 
 
 
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Subject: [FRIAM] Swine flu

A brief lay-level article I wrote for the SFR, at the request of one of their reporters:

http://www.sfreeper.com/2009/04/27/swine-flu/

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Doug Roberts
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Re: Swine flu

Douglas Roberts-2
Nick,

No, most likely not.  A person is infected with the one strain that is currently circulating throughout the population.. In other words, there is only on strain likely to be circulating at a time.

Over time other strains might evolve, but you are right:  this is not a time to suck it up and go to work when you feel shitty.

Maybe I'll sleep in tomorrow...

--Doug

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Doug,
 
Isn't there another reason to do everything in our power to slow the spread of the disease? Within each patient is going on a desperate war between more virulent and less virulent strains of the virus.  More virulent strains reproduce faster, shed more stuff in the early stages of the disease and kill the patient quick; less virulent strains reproduce more slowly, shed less stuff in the early stages, but allow the patient to get around more to spread the disease.  Slowing the spread of the disease, particularly in the early stages, handicaps the more virulent strains in this competition.  One of the reasons the 1918 epidemic was so bad is that all those young recruits were packed together under lousy living conditions so transmission was practically instantaneous and the more virulent strains were rewarded.  This is NOT a time to suck it up and go to work when you feel shitty. 
My authority here is Paul Ewald, The Evolution of Infectious Diseases, who argues, for instance, the use of mosquito nettings reduces the virulence of malaria infections. 
 
Is this correct?
 
Nick
 
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University ([hidden email])
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 4/27/2009 7:11:12 PM
Subject: [FRIAM] Swine flu

A brief lay-level article I wrote for the SFR, at the request of one of their reporters:

http://www.sfreeper.com/2009/04/27/swine-flu/

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Doug Roberts
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505-670-8195 - Cell

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Re: Swine flu

Nick Thompson
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Hmmm!  Why would there only be one strain circulating at a time?  Arent mutations occuring all the time?  Perhaps I misunderstand the word "strain". Perhaps I mean "variant"? 
 
Are you familliar with Ewald's book?  A bit long in the tooth by now, perhaps, but still.  Is it possible that I have misrepresented his argument?
 
Nick
 
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University ([hidden email])
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 4/27/2009 8:51:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Swine flu

Nick,

No, most likely not.  A person is infected with the one strain that is currently circulating throughout the population.. In other words, there is only on strain likely to be circulating at a time.

Over time other strains might evolve, but you are right:  this is not a time to suck it up and go to work when you feel shitty.

Maybe I'll sleep in tomorrow...

--Doug

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Doug,
 
Isn't there another reason to do everything in our power to slow the spread of the disease? Within each patient is going on a desperate war between more virulent and less virulent strains of the virus.  More virulent strains reproduce faster, shed more stuff in the early stages of the disease and kill the patient quick; less virulent strains reproduce more slowly, shed less stuff in the early stages, but allow the patient to get around more to spread the disease.  Slowing the spread of the disease, particularly in the early stages, handicaps the more virulent strains in this competition.  One of the reasons the 1918 epidemic was so bad is that all those young recruits were packed together under lousy living conditions so transmission was practically instantaneous and the more virulent strains were rewarded.  This is NOT a time to suck it up and go to work when you feel shitty. 
My authority here is Paul Ewald, The Evolution of Infectious Diseases, who argues, for instance, the use of mosquito nettings reduces the virulence of malaria infections. 
 
Is this correct?
 
Nick
 
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University ([hidden email])
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 4/27/2009 7:11:12 PM
Subject: [FRIAM] Swine flu

A brief lay-level article I wrote for the SFR, at the request of one of their reporters:

http://www.sfreeper.com/2009/04/27/swine-flu/

--
Doug Roberts
[hidden email]
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505-455-7333 - Office
505-670-8195 - Cell

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Re: Swine flu

Paul Paryski
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I heard on KSFR that between 35,000 and 50,000 people die each year in the US from human transmitted flu viruses.  Although I think that there are clear risks with this new virus, I also think that the news media are feasting on this news.  Then again it is an opportunity for public health ABM.

Paul



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Re: Swine flu

Douglas Roberts-2
I think a public health anti ballistic missile would be overkill at this point.  Maybe later, just before civilization has completely broken down...

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 7:57 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
I heard on KSFR that between 35,000 and 50,000 people die each year in the US from human transmitted flu viruses.  Although I think that there are clear risks with this new virus, I also think that the news media are feasting on this news.  Then again it is an opportunity for public health ABM.

Paul



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