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Stu on NPR.org » Even Evolution Evolves: Changing Ideas On The Biosphere

Stephen Guerin

Stu on NPR.

http://m.npr.org/story/135706946?url=/blogs/13.7/2011/04/25/135706946/even-evolution-evolves-changing-ideas-on-the-biosphere


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Re: Stu on NPR.org > Even Evolution Evolves: Changing Ideas On The Biosphere

Vladimyr Burachynsky

And every time a species goes to extinction the former new but filled niches vanish.

Sounds a bit like a Steady state of musical chairs.

 

Unfortunately the word evolution supposes purpose or direction which it seems steadfast to keep hidden.

 

 

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Stu on NPR.

http://m.npr.org/story/135706946?url=/blogs/13.7/2011/04/25/135706946/even-evolution-evolves-changing-ideas-on-the-biosphere


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Re: Stu on NPR.org > Even Evolution Evolves: Changing Ideas On The Biosphere

Russ Abbott
More generally, virtually every new persistent mechanism (e.g., species) will create new potential niches by the fact of its existence. This can be seen by considering energy flows. Every persistent mechanism requires a way to exploit energy resources in order to persist. No mechanism is 100% efficient. So every persistent mechanism leaves in its wake some unused energy--often in a form that didn't exist previously That unused energy is then a niche that some other mechanism can exploit. To take Stu's example, the unused energy is whatever it is that bacteria in fish bladder live on. 
 
-- Russ 



On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Vladimyr Burachynsky <[hidden email]> wrote:

And every time a species goes to extinction the former new but filled niches vanish.

Sounds a bit like a Steady state of musical chairs.

 

Unfortunately the word evolution supposes purpose or direction which it seems steadfast to keep hidden.

 

 

Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky PhD

[hidden email]

 

 

120-1053 Beaverhill Blvd.

Winnipeg,Manitoba, R2J3R2

Canada

 <a href="tel:%28204%29%202548321" value="+12042548321" target="_blank">(204) 2548321 Land

<a href="tel:%28204%29%208016064" value="+12048016064" target="_blank">(204) 8016064  Cell

 

 

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerin
Sent: April-26-11 9:48 AM
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Subject: [FRIAM] Stu on NPR.org » Even Evolution Evolves: Changing Ideas On The Biosphere

 

Stu on NPR.

http://m.npr.org/story/135706946?url=/blogs/13.7/2011/04/25/135706946/even-evolution-evolves-changing-ideas-on-the-biosphere


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Re: Stu on NPR.org > Even Evolution Evolves: Changing Ideas On The Biosphere

Vladimyr Burachynsky

There is an example of what happens with unused energy on a very large scale,

 

Namely Forest fires after years of suppression  rage with unbelievable ferocity. In this case a failure on the biological level to recycle fast enough results in a physical process almost beyond the biological .

In this case the biological system is almost punished or negatively rewarded … This is interesting when one considers how closely coupled the two systems become. Perhaps it is better to think in terms of a footrace of sorts.

No goal other than to stay ahead of disaster like surfing.

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More generally, virtually every new persistent mechanism (e.g., species) will create new potential niches by the fact of its existence. This can be seen by considering energy flows. Every persistent mechanism requires a way to exploit energy resources in order to persist. No mechanism is 100% efficient. So every persistent mechanism leaves in its wake some unused energy--often in a form that didn't exist previously That unused energy is then a niche that some other mechanism can exploit. To take Stu's example, the unused energy is whatever it is that bacteria in fish bladder live on. 

 

-- Russ 



On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Vladimyr Burachynsky <[hidden email]> wrote:

And every time a species goes to extinction the former new but filled niches vanish.

Sounds a bit like a Steady state of musical chairs.

 

Unfortunately the word evolution supposes purpose or direction which it seems steadfast to keep hidden.

 

 

Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky PhD

[hidden email]

 

 

120-1053 Beaverhill Blvd.

Winnipeg,Manitoba, R2J3R2

Canada

 <a href="tel:%28204%29%202548321" target="_blank">(204) 2548321 Land

<a href="tel:%28204%29%208016064" target="_blank">(204) 8016064  Cell

 

 

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerin
Sent: April-26-11 9:48 AM
To: Friam Friam; [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Stu on NPR.org » Even Evolution Evolves: Changing Ideas On The Biosphere

 

Stu on NPR.

http://m.npr.org/story/135706946?url=/blogs/13.7/2011/04/25/135706946/even-evolution-evolves-changing-ideas-on-the-biosphere


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