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Owen Densmore

Strange Bedfellows! Trump & Julian Assange

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From NYTimes:

• Senate hearing on Russian hacking.

The Armed Services Committee, led by Senator John McCain, will receive testimony from intelligence officials today on “foreign cyberthreats to the United States.”

Here’s what to watch for. We’ll be providing live updates.

The proceedings come as President-elect Donald J. Trump and the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange forged an unlikely alliance, uniting against the idea that Russia hacked emails to influence the U.S. presidential election.

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Gillian Densmore

Re: Strange Bedfellows! Trump & Julian Assange

Can I politely ask that those who want to keep track of america's infurating polotical mess agree to email eachother.

The topic quite litterally leads me to have migranes about BS I have very little say in. I suspect others might be the same.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

From NYTimes:

• Senate hearing on Russian hacking.
The Armed Services Committee, led by Senator John McCain, will receive testimony from intelligence officials today on “foreign cyberthreats to the United States.”
Here’s what to watch for. We’ll be providing live updates.
The proceedings come as President-elect Donald J. Trump and the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange forged an unlikely alliance, uniting against the idea that Russia hacked emails to influence the U.S. presidential election.

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gepr

Re: Strange Bedfellows! Trump & Julian Assange

Heh, of course you can politely ask. And as much as I agree with you, particularly about Trump, it damages _us_ as a whole to avoid talking about such messes. As Marcus lays out nicely and has been pointed out variously across time (e.g. "the only thing necessary for evil to exist is for good people to remain silent"). We must talk about it. To avoid talking about it is tantamount to condoning the messy state.

Plus, as things like AI rise, it's our obligation (those of us who know some little bits about AI) to place the political mess in that context. What does it mean to have a tech-illiterate in control of our country? What does it mean when a tech-illiterate cites a narcissist techy like Assange? ... and takes advice from another narcissist like Thiel? ... and a globalist like Tillerson? ... etc.

These tech-centric issues are inside our wheelhouse. Further, this sort of topic is right in line with "applied complexity", one of the supposed foci of the list. When you're over-loaded, just hit the delete key. We all get over-loaded sometimes and have to unplug for awhile.

On 01/05/2017 09:19 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> Can I politely ask that those who want to keep track of america's infurating polotical mess agree to email eachother.
> The topic quite litterally leads me to have migranes about BS I have very little say in. I suspect others might be the same.

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☣ glen

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Gillian Densmore

Re: Strange Bedfellows! Trump & Julian Assange

Good point glen. Maybie agree to some kind of middle ground then? Just off the top of my head before taking a much needed shower.:

Try to focus more on hopeful upbeat solutions.

Or Link to a blog that has hopefull ideas

Just

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:32 AM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:

Heh, of course you can politely ask. And as much as I agree with you, particularly about Trump, it damages _us_ as a whole to avoid talking about such messes. As Marcus lays out nicely and has been pointed out variously across time (e.g. "the only thing necessary for evil to exist is for good people to remain silent"). We must talk about it. To avoid talking about it is tantamount to condoning the messy state.

Plus, as things like AI rise, it's our obligation (those of us who know some little bits about AI) to place the political mess in that context. What does it mean to have a tech-illiterate in control of our country? What does it mean when a tech-illiterate cites a narcissist techy like Assange? ... and takes advice from another narcissist like Thiel? ... and a globalist like Tillerson? ... etc.

These tech-centric issues are inside our wheelhouse. Further, this sort of topic is right in line with "applied complexity", one of the supposed foci of the list. When you're over-loaded, just hit the delete key. We all get over-loaded sometimes and have to unplug for awhile.

On 01/05/2017 09:19 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> Can I politely ask that those who want to keep track of america's infurating polotical mess agree to email eachother.
> The topic quite litterally leads me to have migranes about BS I have very little say in. I suspect others might be the same.

--
☣ glen

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Gary Schiltz-4

Re: Strange Bedfellows! Trump & Julian Assange

"Hopeful upbeat solutions"? You must be young and/or naive :-) Bless your heart.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Good point glen. Maybie agree to some kind of middle ground then? Just off the top of my head before taking a much needed shower.:
Try to focus more on hopeful upbeat solutions.
Or Link to a blog that has hopefull ideas

Just

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:32 AM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:

Heh, of course you can politely ask. And as much as I agree with you, particularly about Trump, it damages _us_ as a whole to avoid talking about such messes. As Marcus lays out nicely and has been pointed out variously across time (e.g. "the only thing necessary for evil to exist is for good people to remain silent"). We must talk about it. To avoid talking about it is tantamount to condoning the messy state.

Plus, as things like AI rise, it's our obligation (those of us who know some little bits about AI) to place the political mess in that context. What does it mean to have a tech-illiterate in control of our country? What does it mean when a tech-illiterate cites a narcissist techy like Assange? ... and takes advice from another narcissist like Thiel? ... and a globalist like Tillerson? ... etc.

These tech-centric issues are inside our wheelhouse. Further, this sort of topic is right in line with "applied complexity", one of the supposed foci of the list. When you're over-loaded, just hit the delete key. We all get over-loaded sometimes and have to unplug for awhile.

On 01/05/2017 09:19 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> Can I politely ask that those who want to keep track of america's infurating polotical mess agree to email eachother.
> The topic quite litterally leads me to have migranes about BS I have very little say in. I suspect others might be the same.

--
☣ glen

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