Stewart Brand proclaims 4 environmental 'heresies' | Video on TED.com

[Owen Densmore]

Stewart does it again:
   http://www.ted.com/talks/stewart_brand_proclaims_4_environmental_heresies.html

     -- Owen



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[Robert Holmes]

Here's a scary article on geoengineering from this month's The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200907/climate-engineering

What gives me the willies is how cheap it is: easily affordable by a Gates or a Branson or anyone else with deep pockets and no public accountability. Yes it might work but it could also go horribly wrong. As the article has it "it’s like fighting obesity with a corset, and a diet of lard and doughnuts"

-- Robert

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Stewart does it again:
 http://www.ted.com/talks/stewart_brand_proclaims_4_environmental_heresies.html

   -- Owen



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[Owen Densmore]

Anthropocene: I love it!  The number of potential stunts is growing,  
which is a good thing .. giving a more complete palette of choice.  
But, spooky for sure.

The sulfur dioxide event Stewart talked about was new to me.  That a  
relatively small sulfur dioxide release caused that much change?  
Surprising.

I also liked Stewart's acceptance of Nukes.  They're green by any  
standard I can think of.

And his final point: what would the international law issues be? ..  
can you imagine a war over two country's disagreement as to what  
methods are legal?

     -- Owen


On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:01 PM, Robert Holmes wrote:

> Here's a scary article on geoengineering from this month's The  
> Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200907/climate-engineering
>
> What gives me the willies is how cheap it is: easily affordable by a  
> Gates or a Branson or anyone else with deep pockets and no public  
> accountability. Yes it might work but it could also go horribly  
> wrong. As the article has it "it’s like fighting obesity with a  
> corset, and a diet of lard and doughnuts"
>
> -- Robert
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>  
> wrote:
> Stewart does it again:
>  http://www.ted.com/talks/stewart_brand_proclaims_4_environmental_heresies.html
>
>    -- Owen

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[Pamela McCorduck]

thanks for posting that, Owen. The sulfur dioxide release was news to me too. 

It isn't news that nuclear power is getting more attractive by the minute. I can remember a Japanese guy saying to me twenty years ago, of course we use nuclear power. You're lucky you have other choices. We don't. (But our time came, didn't it?) True all over Europe too, btw, that nuclear power is in wide use.

SFI is doing some interesting things with modeling cities. They don't follow the same laws as biological bodies.

Pamela

On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

Anthropocene: I love it!  The number of potential stunts is growing, which is a good thing .. giving a more complete palette of choice.  But, spooky for sure.

The sulfur dioxide event Stewart talked about was new to me.  That a relatively small sulfur dioxide release caused that much change?  Surprising.

I also liked Stewart's acceptance of Nukes.  They're green by any standard I can think of.

And his final point: what would the international law issues be? .. can you imagine a war over two country's disagreement as to what methods are legal?

    -- Owen

On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:01 PM, Robert Holmes wrote:

Here's a scary article on geoengineering from this month's The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200907/climate-engineering

What gives me the willies is how cheap it is: easily affordable by a Gates or a Branson or anyone else with deep pockets and no public accountability. Yes it might work but it could also go horribly wrong. As the article has it "it’s like fighting obesity with a corset, and a diet of lard and doughnuts"

-- Robert

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Stewart does it again:

 http://www.ted.com/talks/stewart_brand_proclaims_4_environmental_heresies.html

   -- Owen

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