Stanford Prison Experiment
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The Stanford Prison Experiment was massively influential. We just learned it was a fraud.
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication Damn. Now I'm gonna have to go back to every time I've used this experiment rhetorically and figure out if it changes my argument. 8^) -- ☣ uǝlƃ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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Chatting with a recent psychology grad, I heard more qualification than I did yes and no.
Need more active doubt and wide-awake risk-taking than we need drama, IMO. Good for her. On 6/14/18, 9:42 AM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote: The Stanford Prison Experiment was massively influential. We just learned it was a fraud. https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication Damn. Now I'm gonna have to go back to every time I've used this experiment rhetorically and figure out if it changes my argument. 8^) -- ☣ uǝlƃ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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This is quite interesting, but I'm not sure how to conclude this story, so I've been pondering on the following options:
1. He lied, bad person! 2. One experiment (measurement) is no experiment, so what? Non-issue. 3. A large community of scientists were involved in one way or another for decades! Science has a serious credibility issue. 4. Smart experiment! How long can a convenient truth hold its foot in the door? Actually 4.7 decades - the research question is answered! Great contribution! 5. It's typical that nobody talks about the real question, i.e. does the uniform really make the jailor and to what extent? (I guess that question is answered, but still, why not frame this as "model-A is broken, use model-B"?) 6. Zimbardo is like 90 years old, bad timing! 7. Finally I understand the name of his "Heroic Imagination Project", sounds like fun! Béla > On 14 Jun 2018, at 18.03, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Chatting with a recent psychology grad, I heard more qualification than I did yes and no. > Need more active doubt and wide-awake risk-taking than we need drama, IMO. Good for her. > > On 6/14/18, 9:42 AM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote: > > The Stanford Prison Experiment was massively influential. We just learned it was a fraud. > https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication > > Damn. Now I'm gonna have to go back to every time I've used this experiment rhetorically and figure out if it changes my argument. 8^) > > -- > ☣ uǝlƃ > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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One of my daughters took a course from him. He was an excellent teacher.
However, she cited another instance of him skating close to the edge, ethically speaking. So option 2 is weakened to some extent. --Barry On 16 Jun 2018, at 18:26, Bela Patkai wrote: > This is quite interesting, but I'm not sure how to conclude this > story, so I've been pondering on the following options: > > 1. He lied, bad person! > > 2. One experiment (measurement) is no experiment, so what? Non-issue. > > 3. A large community of scientists were involved in one way or another > for decades! Science has a serious credibility issue. > > 4. Smart experiment! How long can a convenient truth hold its foot in > the door? Actually 4.7 decades - the research question is answered! > Great contribution! > > 5. It's typical that nobody talks about the real question, i.e. does > the uniform really make the jailor and to what extent? (I guess that > question is answered, but still, why not frame this as "model-A is > broken, use model-B"?) > > 6. Zimbardo is like 90 years old, bad timing! > > 7. Finally I understand the name of his "Heroic Imagination Project", > sounds like fun! > > > Béla > > > >> On 14 Jun 2018, at 18.03, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >> >> Chatting with a recent psychology grad, I heard more qualification >> than I did yes and no. >> Need more active doubt and wide-awake risk-taking than we need drama, >> IMO. Good for her. >> >> On 6/14/18, 9:42 AM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" >> <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote: >> >> The Stanford Prison Experiment was massively influential. We just >> learned it was a fraud. >> https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication >> >> Damn. Now I'm gonna have to go back to every time I've used this >> experiment rhetorically and figure out if it changes my argument. 8^) >> >> -- >> ☣ uǝlƃ >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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