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Christopher Jungmann

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In live in part of Albuquerque that's too far from the CO (cental office)
for DSL, so this is my only broadband option.

I'm going to look into HostGo and Pair.com. I have space with T3Link for
hosting some of my projects but their prices have increased significantly.

Of course now that I have broadband, I could fire up my own server. I'm
reluctant to do that given that I may not be able to stop the nerd in me
from taking control;-) Besides the short IP address lease time (3-4 days)
may be a problem for DNS purposes.

Bottom line is the cost of these hosted services!

Chris
---

>From: "Dr. Richard Cassin" <[hidden email]>
>Reply-To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
>To: "The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group" <[hidden email]>
>Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Spam
>Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:32:21 -0700
>
>Chris:
>
>Why are you moving to Comcast? The availability of a broadband cable
>connection?
>
>Richard
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On
>Behalf Of Christopher Jungmann
>Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:24 PM
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Spam
>
>
>Ed,
>
>I enjoyed reading your insights on this issue. I was previously not sure
>why I had some trepidation moving from my local ISP to Comcast. I thought
>it was the fact that I've been using the same dialup account since 1994.
>Yikes! Now I'm thinking that a 28k modem may not be so bad.
>
>Having all of my email, Web site and logs resident on a locally owned and
>trusted provider did provide me some sense of security. Going forward I'm
>going to miss that sense of "family" as I get swallowed up by Comcast.
>Maybe there's comfort in numbers, or can I count on "security through
>obscurity"?
>
>When you consider that we're sending every email as though it were written
>on a postcard, we shouldn't expect privacy. Furthuremore, the use of
>"free"
>services like Hotmail and Yahoo mail have hidden costs. Not having service
>guarantees is one of them.
>
>Perhaps this is the time for us to regain control over certain "services".
>I see the need for transparent point to point private email services. I
>should be able to send secure emails with delivery guarantees. The
>technology is all around us like encyption proxies etc. Has anyone figured
>out how to make money addressing this need?
>
>Chris
>
>
> >From: Edward A. Puckett <[hidden email]>
> >Reply-To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
> >To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
> >Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Spam
> >Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:40:00 -0700
> >
> >I'm still hovering at about 600 spam messages per day, perhaps because
>I'm
> >a contact on numerous domains. I wonder if Earthlink has installed some
> >new spam filtering and that might account for your decrease.
> >
> >On a somewhat tangential subject, spam filtering is starting to cause me
> >concern. While it's good not to be receiving so much junk, the process
>of
> >spam filtering has the potential of turning into censorship, especially
>as
> >these filtering processes become more and more centralized.
> >
> >Here's a case in point. I maintain a Web/email-based group in which we
>do
> >periodic electronic polls. Most members are in the medium to low range
>in
> >terms of computer skills. When started our first poll, I was surprised
>at
> >the low turnout. Then I starting some emails complaining that people had
> >not received their "vote ticket". The vote ticket is sent automatically
> >from my server, but I found that many people did not receive theirs.
>After
> >investigation, I found that in most instances the email had been filtered
> >without the knowledge of the recipient. In fact, most people I've worked
> >with on this issue did not even realize there was a spam filter in place.
> >I walked one guy through the process of getting to his blocked email only
> >to hear "Oh, there's that email I was waiting for" in regard to email
>sent
> >to him from a friend. He had thought the friend was mad at him and not
> >replying.
> >
> >The thing that really bothers me is the centralization of these spam
> >filtering services. Here, local providers such as cybermesa.com and
> >newmexico.com use a service called "postini" in California. All mail
>sent
> >to customers of cybermesa.com and newmexico.com goes to postini, and then
> >only the unquarantined mail is sent to the servers at those providers.
> >(Check out the MX records for these providers.)
> >
> >The big providers like AOL, MSN and Earthlink have their own in-house
> >filters. An ex-colleague of mine at AOL recently showed me their "caught
> >spam" counter available to this internal account. It was up to about a
> >billion for that day!
> >
> >In the case of my vote emails, they were categorized as "special offers"
>by
> >postini. And there is essentially no way for a small fry like me to
> >contact postini and do anything about it. All I can do is to encourage
> >people behind the postini shadow to add me to their "approved senders"
> >list. But with my user base, that's somewhat akin to asking them to go
>out
> >and tweak their car's carburetor....
> >
> >What really worries me is the diminishing number of "switches" that can
>be
> >turned to the off position for certain senders, without notice or
>recourse,
> >and with no interaction from the affected customers or even their ISPs.
> >The old adage that "the Internet treats censorship like damage and routes
> >around it" is becoming less and less true because their are fewer routes.
> >
> >A few months ago I read an article by John Walker called "The Digital
> >Imprimatur" (http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/) in
> >which he warned about these sorts of things. Serendipitously, I have
>since
> >witnessed first hand the emergence of one of the processes of which he
> >warned.
> >
> >We need to be vigilant about being done to the infrastructure of the
> >Internet.
> >
> >-Ed Puckett.
> >
> >
> >On Dec 13, 2003, at 8:26 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> >
> >>My "spam receipt rate" has dropped to almost zero. Could this be a
>result
> >>of the arrests in Virginia? Have others experienced this?
> >>
> >>Frank
> >>
> >>
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>
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>http://www.friam.org
>
>
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Roger Critchlow-2

Spam

Apropos firing up home servers, there was a thread on SlashDot yesterday
about fighting with your DSL service. Most of the comments had to do with
people having their ComCast access revoked for excessive usage, but no one
knows what "excessive" is because ComCast has never stated a policy. Also,
it seems to happen most to people in areas where ComCast is the only option
for broadband other than a satellite link.

-- rec --

Christopher Jungmann wrote:

> In live in part of Albuquerque that's too far from the CO (cental
> office) for DSL, so this is my only broadband option.
>
> I'm going to look into HostGo and Pair.com. I have space with T3Link
> for hosting some of my projects but their prices have increased
> significantly.
>
> Of course now that I have broadband, I could fire up my own server.
> I'm reluctant to do that given that I may not be able to stop the nerd
> in me from taking control;-) Besides the short IP address lease time
> (3-4 days) may be a problem for DNS purposes.
>
> Bottom line is the cost of these hosted services!
>
> Chris
> ---
>
>> From: "Dr. Richard Cassin" <[hidden email]>
>> Reply-To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
>> To: "The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group" <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Spam
>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:32:21 -0700
>>
>> Chris:
>>
>> Why are you moving to Comcast? The availability of a broadband cable
>> connection?
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On
>> Behalf Of Christopher Jungmann
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:24 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Spam
>>
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> I enjoyed reading your insights on this issue. I was previously not sure
>> why I had some trepidation moving from my local ISP to Comcast. I
>> thought
>> it was the fact that I've been using the same dialup account since 1994.
>> Yikes! Now I'm thinking that a 28k modem may not be so bad.
>>
>> Having all of my email, Web site and logs resident on a locally owned
>> and
>> trusted provider did provide me some sense of security. Going forward
>> I'm
>> going to miss that sense of "family" as I get swallowed up by Comcast.
>> Maybe there's comfort in numbers, or can I count on "security through
>> obscurity"?
>>
>> When you consider that we're sending every email as though it were
>> written
>> on a postcard, we shouldn't expect privacy. Furthuremore, the use of
>> "free"
>> services like Hotmail and Yahoo mail have hidden costs. Not having
>> service
>> guarantees is one of them.
>>
>> Perhaps this is the time for us to regain control over certain
>> "services".
>> I see the need for transparent point to point private email services. I
>> should be able to send secure emails with delivery guarantees. The
>> technology is all around us like encyption proxies etc. Has anyone
>> figured
>> out how to make money addressing this need?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> >From: Edward A. Puckett <[hidden email]>
>> >Reply-To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group
>> <[hidden email]>
>> >To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
>> >Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Spam
>> >Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:40:00 -0700
>> >
>> >I'm still hovering at about 600 spam messages per day, perhaps
>> because I'm
>> >a contact on numerous domains. I wonder if Earthlink has installed some
>> >new spam filtering and that might account for your decrease.
>> >
>> >On a somewhat tangential subject, spam filtering is starting to
>> cause me
>> >concern. While it's good not to be receiving so much junk, the
>> process of
>> >spam filtering has the potential of turning into censorship,
>> especially as
>> >these filtering processes become more and more centralized.
>> >
>> >Here's a case in point. I maintain a Web/email-based group in which
>> we do
>> >periodic electronic polls. Most members are in the medium to low
>> range in
>> >terms of computer skills. When started our first poll, I was
>> surprised at
>> >the low turnout. Then I starting some emails complaining that people
>> had
>> >not received their "vote ticket". The vote ticket is sent automatically
>> >from my server, but I found that many people did not receive theirs.
>> After
>> >investigation, I found that in most instances the email had been
>> filtered
>> >without the knowledge of the recipient. In fact, most people I've
>> worked
>> >with on this issue did not even realize there was a spam filter in
>> place.
>> >I walked one guy through the process of getting to his blocked email
>> only
>> >to hear "Oh, there's that email I was waiting for" in regard to
>> email sent
>> >to him from a friend. He had thought the friend was mad at him and not
>> >replying.
>> >
>> >The thing that really bothers me is the centralization of these spam
>> >filtering services. Here, local providers such as cybermesa.com and
>> >newmexico.com use a service called "postini" in California. All mail
>> sent
>> >to customers of cybermesa.com and newmexico.com goes to postini, and
>> then
>> >only the unquarantined mail is sent to the servers at those providers.
>> >(Check out the MX records for these providers.)
>> >
>> >The big providers like AOL, MSN and Earthlink have their own in-house
>> >filters. An ex-colleague of mine at AOL recently showed me their
>> "caught
>> >spam" counter available to this internal account. It was up to about a
>> >billion for that day!
>> >
>> >In the case of my vote emails, they were categorized as "special
>> offers" by
>> >postini. And there is essentially no way for a small fry like me to
>> >contact postini and do anything about it. All I can do is to encourage
>> >people behind the postini shadow to add me to their "approved senders"
>> >list. But with my user base, that's somewhat akin to asking them to
>> go out
>> >and tweak their car's carburetor....
>> >
>> >What really worries me is the diminishing number of "switches" that
>> can be
>> >turned to the off position for certain senders, without notice or
>> recourse,
>> >and with no interaction from the affected customers or even their ISPs.
>> >The old adage that "the Internet treats censorship like damage and
>> routes
>> >around it" is becoming less and less true because their are fewer
>> routes.
>> >
>> >A few months ago I read an article by John Walker called "The Digital
>> >Imprimatur" (http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/) in
>> >which he warned about these sorts of things. Serendipitously, I have
>> since
>> >witnessed first hand the emergence of one of the processes of which he
>> >warned.
>> >
>> >We need to be vigilant about being done to the infrastructure of the
>> >Internet.
>> >
>> >-Ed Puckett.
>> >
>> >
>> >On Dec 13, 2003, at 8:26 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> >
>> >>My "spam receipt rate" has dropped to almost zero. Could this be a
>> result
>> >>of the arrests in Virginia? Have others experienced this?
>> >>
>> >>Frank
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>============================================================
>> >>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> >>Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
>> >>Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
>> >>http://www.friam.org
>> >
>> >
>> >============================================================
>> >FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> >Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
>> >Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
>> >http://www.friam.org
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months
>> @$9.95/month!
>> http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup
>>
>>
>> ============================================================
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
>> Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
>> http://www.friam.org
>>
>>
>> ============================================================
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>> Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
>> http://www.friam.org
>
>
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>

Robert Holmes

Spam

I use Comcast cable to get my internet access. Their terms and conditions
specifically state that I don't set up a home server. Hard to have much
sympathy for those SlashDot folks who lose their connection because they
ignore the T&C.

Of course that does raise the question of which ISPs have a policy that
explicitly supports home servers.

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of Roger E Critchlow Jr
Sent: 17 December 2003 11:43
To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Spam

Apropos firing up home servers, there was a thread on SlashDot yesterday
about fighting with your DSL service. Most of the comments had to do with
people having their ComCast access revoked for excessive usage, but no one
knows what "excessive" is because ComCast has never stated a policy. Also,
it seems to happen most to people in areas where ComCast is the only option
for broadband other than a satellite link.

-- rec --

Christopher Jungmann wrote:

> In live in part of Albuquerque that's too far from the CO (cental
> office) for DSL, so this is my only broadband option.
>
> I'm going to look into HostGo and Pair.com. I have space with T3Link
> for hosting some of my projects but their prices have increased
> significantly.
>
> Of course now that I have broadband, I could fire up my own server.
> I'm reluctant to do that given that I may not be able to stop the nerd
> in me from taking control;-) Besides the short IP address lease time
> (3-4 days) may be a problem for DNS purposes.
>
> Bottom line is the cost of these hosted services!
>
> Chris
> ---
>
>> From: "Dr. Richard Cassin" <[hidden email]>
>> Reply-To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group
>> <[hidden email]>
>> To: "The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group" <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Spam
>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:32:21 -0700
>>
>> Chris:
>>
>> Why are you moving to Comcast? The availability of a broadband cable
>> connection?
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On
>> Behalf Of Christopher Jungmann
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:24 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Spam
>>
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> I enjoyed reading your insights on this issue. I was previously not
>> sure why I had some trepidation moving from my local ISP to Comcast.
>> I thought it was the fact that I've been using the same dialup
>> account since 1994. Yikes! Now I'm thinking that a 28k modem may not
>> be so bad.
>>
>> Having all of my email, Web site and logs resident on a locally owned
>> and
>> trusted provider did provide me some sense of security. Going forward
>> I'm
>> going to miss that sense of "family" as I get swallowed up by Comcast.
>> Maybe there's comfort in numbers, or can I count on "security through
>> obscurity"?
>>
>> When you consider that we're sending every email as though it were
>> written
>> on a postcard, we shouldn't expect privacy. Furthuremore, the use of
>> "free"
>> services like Hotmail and Yahoo mail have hidden costs. Not having
>> service
>> guarantees is one of them.
>>
>> Perhaps this is the time for us to regain control over certain
>> "services".
>> I see the need for transparent point to point private email services. I
>> should be able to send secure emails with delivery guarantees. The
>> technology is all around us like encyption proxies etc. Has anyone
>> figured
>> out how to make money addressing this need?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> >From: Edward A. Puckett <[hidden email]>
>> >Reply-To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group
>> <[hidden email]>
>> >To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
>> >Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Spam
>> >Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:40:00 -0700
>> >
>> >I'm still hovering at about 600 spam messages per day, perhaps
>> because I'm
>> >a contact on numerous domains. I wonder if Earthlink has installed
>> >some new spam filtering and that might account for your decrease.
>> >
>> >On a somewhat tangential subject, spam filtering is starting to
>> cause me
>> >concern. While it's good not to be receiving so much junk, the
>> process of
>> >spam filtering has the potential of turning into censorship,
>> especially as
>> >these filtering processes become more and more centralized.
>> >
>> >Here's a case in point. I maintain a Web/email-based group in which
>> we do
>> >periodic electronic polls. Most members are in the medium to low
>> range in
>> >terms of computer skills. When started our first poll, I was
>> surprised at
>> >the low turnout. Then I starting some emails complaining that people
>> had
>> >not received their "vote ticket". The vote ticket is sent
>> >automatically from my server, but I found that many people did not
>> >receive theirs.
>> After
>> >investigation, I found that in most instances the email had been
>> filtered
>> >without the knowledge of the recipient. In fact, most people I've
>> worked
>> >with on this issue did not even realize there was a spam filter in
>> place.
>> >I walked one guy through the process of getting to his blocked email
>> only
>> >to hear "Oh, there's that email I was waiting for" in regard to
>> email sent
>> >to him from a friend. He had thought the friend was mad at him and
>> >not replying.
>> >
>> >The thing that really bothers me is the centralization of these spam
>> >filtering services. Here, local providers such as cybermesa.com and
>> >newmexico.com use a service called "postini" in California. All mail
>> sent
>> >to customers of cybermesa.com and newmexico.com goes to postini, and
>> then
>> >only the unquarantined mail is sent to the servers at those
>> >providers. (Check out the MX records for these providers.)
>> >
>> >The big providers like AOL, MSN and Earthlink have their own
>> >in-house filters. An ex-colleague of mine at AOL recently showed me
>> >their
>> "caught
>> >spam" counter available to this internal account. It was up to about
>> >a billion for that day!
>> >
>> >In the case of my vote emails, they were categorized as "special
>> offers" by
>> >postini. And there is essentially no way for a small fry like me to
>> >contact postini and do anything about it. All I can do is to
>> >encourage people behind the postini shadow to add me to their
>> >"approved senders" list. But with my user base, that's somewhat akin
>> >to asking them to
>> go out
>> >and tweak their car's carburetor....
>> >
>> >What really worries me is the diminishing number of "switches" that
>> can be
>> >turned to the off position for certain senders, without notice or
>> recourse,
>> >and with no interaction from the affected customers or even their
>> >ISPs. The old adage that "the Internet treats censorship like damage
>> >and
>> routes
>> >around it" is becoming less and less true because their are fewer
>> routes.
>> >
>> >A few months ago I read an article by John Walker called "The
>> >Digital Imprimatur"
>> >(http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/) in which he
>> >warned about these sorts of things. Serendipitously, I have
>> since
>> >witnessed first hand the emergence of one of the processes of which
>> >he warned.
>> >
>> >We need to be vigilant about being done to the infrastructure of the
>> >Internet.
>> >
>> >-Ed Puckett.
>> >
>> >
>> >On Dec 13, 2003, at 8:26 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> >
>> >>My "spam receipt rate" has dropped to almost zero. Could this be a
>> result
>> >>of the arrests in Virginia? Have others experienced this?
>> >>
>> >>Frank
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>============================================================
>> >>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> >>Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
>> >>Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: http://www.friam.org
>> >
>> >
>> >============================================================
>> >FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> >Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
>> >Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
>> >http://www.friam.org
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months
>> @$9.95/month!
>> http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup
>>
>>
>> ============================================================
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
>> Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
>> http://www.friam.org
>>
>>
>> ============================================================
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>> Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
>> Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
>> http://www.friam.org
>
>
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Carl Tollander-2

Spam

In reply to this post by Christopher Jungmann

Comcast was rumored to have a thing in the service agreement about
the customer not running servers. Hope that's no longer the
case, but some fancy footwork may be involved.

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On
Behalf Of Christopher Jungmann
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:06 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Spam

In live in part of Albuquerque that's too far from the CO (cental office)
for DSL, so this is my only broadband option.

I'm going to look into HostGo and Pair.com. I have space with T3Link for
hosting some of my projects but their prices have increased significantly.

Of course now that I have broadband, I could fire up my own server. I'm
reluctant to do that given that I may not be able to stop the nerd in me
from taking control;-) Besides the short IP address lease time (3-4 days)
may be a problem for DNS purposes.

Bottom line is the cost of these hosted services!

Chris
---

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============================================================
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Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
http://www.friam.org

Carl Tollander-2

Spam

In reply to this post by Robert Holmes

There was a brief how-to article in one of the last two issues of
"2600" magazine on how to get around that and run home servers
on cable, though of course I would not advocate actually doing
such a thing.

DSL agreements generally let you run a home server so long as you
purchase some agreed-upon minimum bandwidth and possibly a static
IP address.

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On
Behalf Of Robert Holmes
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:26 PM
To: 'The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group'
Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Spam

I use Comcast cable to get my internet access. Their terms and conditions
specifically state that I don't set up a home server. Hard to have much
sympathy for those SlashDot folks who lose their connection because they
ignore the T&C.

Of course that does raise the question of which ISPs have a policy that
explicitly supports home servers.

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of Roger E Critchlow Jr
Sent: 17 December 2003 11:43
To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Spam

Apropos firing up home servers, there was a thread on SlashDot yesterday
about fighting with your DSL service. Most of the comments had to do with
people having their ComCast access revoked for excessive usage, but no one
knows what "excessive" is because ComCast has never stated a policy. Also,
it seems to happen most to people in areas where ComCast is the only option
for broadband other than a satellite link.

-- rec --

Christopher Jungmann wrote:

> In live in part of Albuquerque that's too far from the CO (cental
> office) for DSL, so this is my only broadband option.
>
> I'm going to look into HostGo and Pair.com. I have space with T3Link
> for hosting some of my projects but their prices have increased
> significantly.
>
> Of course now that I have broadband, I could fire up my own server.
> I'm reluctant to do that given that I may not be able to stop the nerd
> in me from taking control;-) Besides the short IP address lease time
> (3-4 days) may be a problem for DNS purposes.
>
> Bottom line is the cost of these hosted services!
>
> Chris
> ---
>
>> From: "Dr. Richard Cassin" <[hidden email]>
>> Reply-To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group
>> <[hidden email]>
>> To: "The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group" <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Spam
>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:32:21 -0700
>>
>> Chris:
>>
>> Why are you moving to Comcast? The availability of a broadband cable
>> connection?
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On
>> Behalf Of Christopher Jungmann
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:24 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Spam
>>
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> I enjoyed reading your insights on this issue. I was previously not
>> sure why I had some trepidation moving from my local ISP to Comcast.
>> I thought it was the fact that I've been using the same dialup
>> account since 1994. Yikes! Now I'm thinking that a 28k modem may not
>> be so bad.
>>
>> Having all of my email, Web site and logs resident on a locally owned
>> and
>> trusted provider did provide me some sense of security. Going forward
>> I'm
>> going to miss that sense of "family" as I get swallowed up by Comcast.
>> Maybe there's comfort in numbers, or can I count on "security through
>> obscurity"?
>>
>> When you consider that we're sending every email as though it were
>> written
>> on a postcard, we shouldn't expect privacy. Furthuremore, the use of
>> "free"
>> services like Hotmail and Yahoo mail have hidden costs. Not having
>> service
>> guarantees is one of them.
>>
>> Perhaps this is the time for us to regain control over certain
>> "services".
>> I see the need for transparent point to point private email services. I
>> should be able to send secure emails with delivery guarantees. The
>> technology is all around us like encyption proxies etc. Has anyone
>> figured
>> out how to make money addressing this need?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> >From: Edward A. Puckett <[hidden email]>
>> >Reply-To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group
>> <[hidden email]>
>> >To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
>> >Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Spam
>> >Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:40:00 -0700
>> >
>> >I'm still hovering at about 600 spam messages per day, perhaps
>> because I'm
>> >a contact on numerous domains. I wonder if Earthlink has installed
>> >some new spam filtering and that might account for your decrease.
>> >
>> >On a somewhat tangential subject, spam filtering is starting to
>> cause me
>> >concern. While it's good not to be receiving so much junk, the
>> process of
>> >spam filtering has the potential of turning into censorship,
>> especially as
>> >these filtering processes become more and more centralized.
>> >
>> >Here's a case in point. I maintain a Web/email-based group in which
>> we do
>> >periodic electronic polls. Most members are in the medium to low
>> range in
>> >terms of computer skills. When started our first poll, I was
>> surprised at
>> >the low turnout. Then I starting some emails complaining that people
>> had
>> >not received their "vote ticket". The vote ticket is sent
>> >automatically from my server, but I found that many people did not
>> >receive theirs.
>> After
>> >investigation, I found that in most instances the email had been
>> filtered
>> >without the knowledge of the recipient. In fact, most people I've
>> worked
>> >with on this issue did not even realize there was a spam filter in
>> place.
>> >I walked one guy through the process of getting to his blocked email
>> only
>> >to hear "Oh, there's that email I was waiting for" in regard to
>> email sent
>> >to him from a friend. He had thought the friend was mad at him and
>> >not replying.
>> >
>> >The thing that really bothers me is the centralization of these spam
>> >filtering services. Here, local providers such as cybermesa.com and
>> >newmexico.com use a service called "postini" in California. All mail
>> sent
>> >to customers of cybermesa.com and newmexico.com goes to postini, and
>> then
>> >only the unquarantined mail is sent to the servers at those
>> >providers. (Check out the MX records for these providers.)
>> >
>> >The big providers like AOL, MSN and Earthlink have their own
>> >in-house filters. An ex-colleague of mine at AOL recently showed me
>> >their
>> "caught
>> >spam" counter available to this internal account. It was up to about
>> >a billion for that day!
>> >
>> >In the case of my vote emails, they were categorized as "special
>> offers" by
>> >postini. And there is essentially no way for a small fry like me to
>> >contact postini and do anything about it. All I can do is to
>> >encourage people behind the postini shadow to add me to their
>> >"approved senders" list. But with my user base, that's somewhat akin
>> >to asking them to
>> go out
>> >and tweak their car's carburetor....
>> >
>> >What really worries me is the diminishing number of "switches" that
>> can be
>> >turned to the off position for certain senders, without notice or
>> recourse,
>> >and with no interaction from the affected customers or even their
>> >ISPs. The old adage that "the Internet treats censorship like damage
>> >and
>> routes
>> >around it" is becoming less and less true because their are fewer
>> routes.
>> >
>> >A few months ago I read an article by John Walker called "The
>> >Digital Imprimatur"
>> >(http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/) in which he
>> >warned about these sorts of things. Serendipitously, I have
>> since
>> >witnessed first hand the emergence of one of the processes of which
>> >he warned.
>> >
>> >We need to be vigilant about being done to the infrastructure of the
>> >Internet.
>> >
>> >-Ed Puckett.
>> >
>> >
>> >On Dec 13, 2003, at 8:26 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> >
>> >>My "spam receipt rate" has dropped to almost zero. Could this be a
>> result
>> >>of the arrests in Virginia? Have others experienced this?
>> >>
>> >>Frank
>> >>
>> >>
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