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McNamara, Laura A

Sony's rootkit

Hey Doug et al.,

I heard about this on NPR and couldn't believe Sony would be so stupid
myself. Glad to know the technical experts share my uneducated
anthropological opinion. I'm never loading a CD onto my computer again.

Laura

________________________________

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:17 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: [FRIAM] Sony's rootkit

We were talking about this last Friday. What a stupid idea Sony had.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139586.html

--Doug

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Giles Bowkett

Sony's rootkit

The good news is that the EFF is considering a class-action lawsuit,
and if you live in California or New York, you can go after them.

On 11/10/05, McNamara, Laura A <lamcnam at sandia.gov> wrote:

>
> Hey Doug et al.,
>
> I heard about this on NPR and couldn't believe Sony would be so stupid
> myself. Glad to know the technical experts share my uneducated
> anthropological opinion. I'm never loading a CD onto my computer again.
>
> Laura
>
> ________________________________
> From: Friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto:Friam-bounces at redfish.com] On
> Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:17 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: [FRIAM] Sony's rootkit
>
>
> We were talking about this last Friday. What a stupid idea Sony had.
>
> http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139586.html
>
> --Doug
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> http://www.friam.org
>
>

--
Giles Bowkett = Giles Goat Boy
http://www.gilesgoatboy.org/

Tim Densmore

Sony's rootkit

In reply to this post by McNamara, Laura A

Another option is, of course, to run an alternative OS to Windows.
Either way, I strongly urge people to boycott Sony and all Sony
products. What's really interesting about all this is that there are
now claims of trojan's based on the sony rootkit in the wild.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/10/sony_drm_trojan/

Thank you,
Tim Densmore

-------------------------------

"There's an awful lot of people in the world that sneer at Segways
because other people are having fun. There must be something bad about
it. But I always tell people, that hey, these Segways are so
environmentally conscious. I carry four of them in the trunk of my
Hummer."

-The Woz
On Nov 10, 2005, at 4:25 PM, McNamara, Laura A wrote:

> Hey Doug?et al.,
> ?
> I heard about this on NPR and couldn't believe Sony would be so stupid
> myself.? Glad to know the technical experts share my uneducated
> anthropological opinion.? I'm never loading a CD onto my computer
> again.
> ?
> Laura
>
> From: Friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto:Friam-bounces at redfish.com] On
> Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:17 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: [FRIAM] Sony's rootkit
>
> We were talking about this last Friday.? What a stupid idea Sony had.
>
> http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139586.html
>
> --Doug
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> http://www.friam.org

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Douglas Roberts-2

Sony's rootkit

Well, then, as if I really needed another reason to be able to state that
the only OS's running on machines at my house are Linux, and the BSD-based
OSX. But ok, I'll take another reason.

You're welcome,
Doug Roberts

On 11/10/05, Tim Densmore <tim at backspaces.net> wrote:

>
> Another option is, of course, to run an alternative OS to Windows.
> Either way, I strongly urge people to boycott Sony and all Sony
> products. What's really interesting about all this is that there are
> now claims of trojan's based on the sony rootkit in the wild.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/10/sony_drm_trojan/
>
> Thank you,
> Tim Densmore
>
> -------------------------------
>
> "There's an awful lot of people in the world that sneer at Segways
> because other people are having fun. There must be something bad about
> it. But I always tell people, that hey, these Segways are so
> environmentally conscious. I carry four of them in the trunk of my
> Hummer."
>
> -The Woz
> On Nov 10, 2005, at 4:25 PM, McNamara, Laura A wrote:
>
> > Hey Douget al.,
> >
> > I heard about this on NPR and couldn't believe Sony would be so stupid
> > myself. Glad to know the technical experts share my uneducated
> > anthropological opinion. I'm never loading a CD onto my computer
> > again.
> >
> > Laura
> >
> > From: Friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto:Friam-bounces at redfish.com] On
> > Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:17 PM
> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > Subject: [FRIAM] Sony's rootkit
> >
> > We were talking about this last Friday. What a stupid idea Sony had.
> >
> > http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139586.html
> >
> > --Doug
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> > http://www.friam.org
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> http://www.friam.org
>
>

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Giles Bowkett

Sony's rootkit

I wish I could say the same -- at the same time, though, they made a
Mac version too.

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/10/sony_music_cds_infec.html

(btw, sorry, i'm not at the cafe, after more than thirty years, my
wake-up system is still in beta.)

On 11/10/05, Douglas Roberts <doug at parrot-farm.net> wrote:

> Well, then, as if I really needed another reason to be able to state that
> the only OS's running on machines at my house are Linux, and the BSD-based
> OSX. But ok, I'll take another reason.
>
> You're welcome,
> Doug Roberts
>
> On 11/10/05, Tim Densmore <tim at backspaces.net> wrote:
> > Another option is, of course, to run an alternative OS to Windows.
> > Either way, I strongly urge people to boycott Sony and all Sony
> > products. What's really interesting about all this is that there are
> > now claims of trojan's based on the sony rootkit in the wild.
> >
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/10/sony_drm_trojan/
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Tim Densmore
> >
> > -------------------------------
> >
> > "There's an awful lot of people in the world that sneer at Segways
> > because other people are having fun. There must be something bad about
> > it. But I always tell people, that hey, these Segways are so
> > environmentally conscious. I carry four of them in the trunk of my
> > Hummer."
> >
> > -The Woz
> > On Nov 10, 2005, at 4:25 PM, McNamara, Laura A wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Douget al.,
> > >
> > > I heard about this on NPR and couldn't believe Sony would be so stupid
> > > myself. Glad to know the technical experts share my uneducated
> > > anthropological opinion. I'm never loading a CD onto my computer
> > > again.
> > >
> > > Laura
> > >
> > > From: Friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto: Friam-bounces at redfish.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:17 PM
> > > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > > Subject: [FRIAM] Sony's rootkit
> > >
> > > We were talking about this last Friday. What a stupid idea Sony had.
> > >
> > > http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139586.html
> > >
> > > --Doug
> > >
> ============================================================
> > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> > > http://www.friam.org
> >
> >
> ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> http://www.friam.org
> >
> >
>
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> http://www.friam.org
>
>

--
Giles Bowkett = Giles Goat Boy
http://www.gilesgoatboy.org/

Douglas Roberts-2

Sony's rootkit

I missed FRIAM today as well. I've had a phone glued to my ear since 6:30
this morning.

--Doug

On 11/11/05, Giles Bowkett <gilesb at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I wish I could say the same -- at the same time, though, they made a
> Mac version too.
>
> http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/10/sony_music_cds_infec.html
>
> (btw, sorry, i'm not at the cafe, after more than thirty years, my
> wake-up system is still in beta.)
>
> On 11/10/05, Douglas Roberts <doug at parrot-farm.net> wrote:
> > Well, then, as if I really needed another reason to be able to state
> that
> > the only OS's running on machines at my house are Linux, and the
> BSD-based
> > OSX. But ok, I'll take another reason.
> >
> > You're welcome,
> > Doug Roberts
> >
> > On 11/10/05, Tim Densmore <tim at backspaces.net> wrote:
> > > Another option is, of course, to run an alternative OS to Windows.
> > > Either way, I strongly urge people to boycott Sony and all Sony
> > > products. What's really interesting about all this is that there are
> > > now claims of trojan's based on the sony rootkit in the wild.
> > >
> > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/10/sony_drm_trojan/
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Tim Densmore
> > >
> > > -------------------------------
> > >
> > > "There's an awful lot of people in the world that sneer at Segways
> > > because other people are having fun. There must be something bad about
> > > it. But I always tell people, that hey, these Segways are so
> > > environmentally conscious. I carry four of them in the trunk of my
> > > Hummer."
> > >
> > > -The Woz
> > > On Nov 10, 2005, at 4:25 PM, McNamara, Laura A wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Douget al.,
> > > >
> > > > I heard about this on NPR and couldn't believe Sony would be so
> stupid
> > > > myself. Glad to know the technical experts share my uneducated
> > > > anthropological opinion. I'm never loading a CD onto my computer
> > > > again.
> > > >
> > > > Laura
> > > >
> > > > From: Friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto: Friam-bounces at redfish.com]
> On
> > > > Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:17 PM
> > > > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > > > Subject: [FRIAM] Sony's rootkit
> > > >
> > > > We were talking about this last Friday. What a stupid idea Sony had.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139586.html
> > > >
> > > > --Doug
> > > >
> > ============================================================
> > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > > > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> > > > http://www.friam.org
> > >
> > >
> > ============================================================
> > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> > http://www.friam.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> > http://www.friam.org
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Giles Bowkett = Giles Goat Boy
> http://www.gilesgoatboy.org/
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> http://www.friam.org
>

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Giles Bowkett

Sony's rootkit

That always slows me down in the morning, especially if it's a
landline. Sometimes I can use nail polish, other times I'm screwed.
Who are these phone gremlins, and why do they torture us so? One time
they couldn't find a phone, and I woke up with a CB radio glued to my
head.

On 11/11/05, Douglas Roberts <doug at parrot-farm.net> wrote:

> I missed FRIAM today as well. I've had a phone glued to my ear since 6:30
> this morning.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On 11/11/05, Giles Bowkett <gilesb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I wish I could say the same -- at the same time, though, they made a
> > Mac version too.
> >
> >
> http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/10/sony_music_cds_infec.html
> >
> > (btw, sorry, i'm not at the cafe, after more than thirty years, my
> > wake-up system is still in beta.)
> >
> > On 11/10/05, Douglas Roberts <doug at parrot-farm.net> wrote:
> > > Well, then, as if I really needed another reason to be able to state
> that
> > > the only OS's running on machines at my house are Linux, and the
> BSD-based
> > > OSX. But ok, I'll take another reason.
> > >
> > > You're welcome,
> > > Doug Roberts
> > >
> > > On 11/10/05, Tim Densmore <tim at backspaces.net> wrote:
> > > > Another option is, of course, to run an alternative OS to Windows.
> > > > Either way, I strongly urge people to boycott Sony and all Sony
> > > > products. What's really interesting about all this is that there are
> > > > now claims of trojan's based on the sony rootkit in the wild.
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/10/sony_drm_trojan/
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Tim Densmore
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > "There's an awful lot of people in the world that sneer at Segways
> > > > because other people are having fun. There must be something bad about
> > > > it. But I always tell people, that hey, these Segways are so
> > > > environmentally conscious. I carry four of them in the trunk of my
> > > > Hummer."
> > > >
> > > > -The Woz
> > > > On Nov 10, 2005, at 4:25 PM, McNamara, Laura A wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey Douget al.,
> > > > >
> > > > > I heard about this on NPR and couldn't believe Sony would be so
> stupid
> > > > > myself. Glad to know the technical experts share my uneducated
> > > > > anthropological opinion. I'm never loading a CD onto my computer
> > > > > again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Laura
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto: Friam-bounces at redfish.com]
> On
> > > > > Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:17 PM
> > > > > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > > > > Subject: [FRIAM] Sony's rootkit
> > > > >
> > > > > We were talking about this last Friday. What a stupid idea Sony had.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139586.html
> > > > >
> > > > > --Doug
> > > > >
> > >
> ============================================================
> > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > > > > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> > > > > http://www.friam.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> ============================================================
> > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > > > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> > > http://www.friam.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> ============================================================
> > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> > > http://www.friam.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Giles Bowkett = Giles Goat Boy
> > http://www.gilesgoatboy.org/
> >
> >
> ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> http://www.friam.org
> >
>
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> http://www.friam.org
>
>

--
Giles Bowkett = Giles Goat Boy
http://www.gilesgoatboy.org/

Owen Densmore

Sony's rootkit

Administrator

In reply to this post by Douglas Roberts-2

Hey, saw your picture in the paper in the article about the new
Espanola offices for the potential new LANL management group. Hope
it goes well.

-- Owen

Owen Densmore
http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org

On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> I missed FRIAM today as well. I've had a phone glued to my ear
> since 6:30
> this morning.
>
> --Doug
>
> On 11/11/05, Giles Bowkett <gilesb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I wish I could say the same -- at the same time, though, they made a
>> Mac version too.
>>
>> http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/10/sony_music_cds_infec.html
>>
>> (btw, sorry, i'm not at the cafe, after more than thirty years, my
>> wake-up system is still in beta.)
>>
>> On 11/10/05, Douglas Roberts <doug at parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, then, as if I really needed another reason to be able to state
>>>
>> that
>>
>>> the only OS's running on machines at my house are Linux, and the
>>>
>> BSD-based
>>
>>> OSX. But ok, I'll take another reason.
>>>
>>> You're welcome,
>>> Doug Roberts
>>>
>>> On 11/10/05, Tim Densmore <tim at backspaces.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another option is, of course, to run an alternative OS to Windows.
>>>> Either way, I strongly urge people to boycott Sony and all Sony
>>>> products. What's really interesting about all this is that there
>>>> are
>>>> now claims of trojan's based on the sony rootkit in the wild.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/10/sony_drm_trojan/
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Tim Densmore
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> "There's an awful lot of people in the world that sneer at Segways
>>>> because other people are having fun. There must be something bad
>>>> about
>>>> it. But I always tell people, that hey, these Segways are so
>>>> environmentally conscious. I carry four of them in the trunk of my
>>>> Hummer."
>>>>
>>>> -The Woz
>>>> On Nov 10, 2005, at 4:25 PM, McNamara, Laura A wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Douget al.,
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard about this on NPR and couldn't believe Sony would be so
>>>>>
>> stupid
>>
>>>>> myself. Glad to know the technical experts share my uneducated
>>>>> anthropological opinion. I'm never loading a CD onto my computer
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Laura
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto: Friam-
>>>>> bounces at redfish.com]
>>>>>
>> On
>>
>>>>> Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:17 PM
>>>>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>>>>> Subject: [FRIAM] Sony's rootkit
>>>>>
>>>>> We were talking about this last Friday. What a stupid idea Sony
>>>>> had.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139586.html
>>>>>
>>>>> --Doug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> ============================================================
>>>
>>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>>>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
>>>>> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
>>>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ============================================================
>>>
>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
>>>> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
>>>>
>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ============================================================
>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
>>> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Giles Bowkett = Giles Goat Boy
>> http://www.gilesgoatboy.org/
>>
>> ============================================================
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
>> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
>> http://www.friam.org
>>
>>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at http://
> www.friam.org

Owen Densmore

LANL mgmt

Administrator

http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/34913.html

Forgot the url above.

-- Owen

Owen Densmore
http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org

Douglas Roberts-2

Sony's rootkit

In reply to this post by Owen Densmore

Thanks, Owen. It made me realize that I need a haircut...

--Doug

On 11/11/05, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote:

>
> Hey, saw your picture in the paper in the article about the new
> Espanola offices for the potential new LANL management group. Hope
> it goes well.
>
> -- Owen
>
> Owen Densmore
> http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
> > I missed FRIAM today as well. I've had a phone glued to my ear
> > since 6:30
> > this morning.
> >
> > --Doug
> >
> > On 11/11/05, Giles Bowkett <gilesb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I wish I could say the same -- at the same time, though, they made a
> >> Mac version too.
> >>
> >> http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/10/sony_music_cds_infec.html
> >>
> >> (btw, sorry, i'm not at the cafe, after more than thirty years, my
> >> wake-up system is still in beta.)
> >>
> >> On 11/10/05, Douglas Roberts <doug at parrot-farm.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well, then, as if I really needed another reason to be able to state
> >>>
> >> that
> >>
> >>> the only OS's running on machines at my house are Linux, and the
> >>>
> >> BSD-based
> >>
> >>> OSX. But ok, I'll take another reason.
> >>>
> >>> You're welcome,
> >>> Doug Roberts
> >>>
> >>> On 11/10/05, Tim Densmore <tim at backspaces.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Another option is, of course, to run an alternative OS to Windows.
> >>>> Either way, I strongly urge people to boycott Sony and all Sony
> >>>> products. What's really interesting about all this is that there
> >>>> are
> >>>> now claims of trojan's based on the sony rootkit in the wild.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/10/sony_drm_trojan/
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you,
> >>>> Tim Densmore
> >>>>
> >>>> -------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> "There's an awful lot of people in the world that sneer at Segways
> >>>> because other people are having fun. There must be something bad
> >>>> about
> >>>> it. But I always tell people, that hey, these Segways are so
> >>>> environmentally conscious. I carry four of them in the trunk of my
> >>>> Hummer."
> >>>>
> >>>> -The Woz
> >>>> On Nov 10, 2005, at 4:25 PM, McNamara, Laura A wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hey Douget al.,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I heard about this on NPR and couldn't believe Sony would be so
> >>>>>
> >> stupid
> >>
> >>>>> myself. Glad to know the technical experts share my uneducated
> >>>>> anthropological opinion. I'm never loading a CD onto my computer
> >>>>> again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Laura
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto: Friam-
> >>>>> bounces at redfish.com]
> >>>>>
> >> On
> >>
> >>>>> Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:17 PM
> >>>>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> >>>>> Subject: [FRIAM] Sony's rootkit
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We were talking about this last Friday. What a stupid idea Sony
> >>>>> had.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139586.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --Doug
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> ============================================================
> >>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
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Tim Densmore

Sony's rootkit

In reply to this post by Giles Bowkett

To be fair, you're correct. However, I have limited sympathy for
anyone who bangs on their keyboard and then clicks 'OK' when prompted
to enter a password to install a lovely new rootkit on their machine.

Thank you,
Tim Densmore

-------------------------------

"There's an awful lot of people in the world that sneer at Segways
because other people are having fun. There must be something bad about
it. But I always tell people, that hey, these Segways are so
environmentally conscious. I carry four of them in the trunk of my
Hummer."

-The Woz
On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Giles Bowkett wrote:

> I wish I could say the same -- at the same time, though, they made a
> Mac version too.
>
> http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/10/sony_music_cds_infec.html
>
> (btw, sorry, i'm not at the cafe, after more than thirty years, my
> wake-up system is still in beta.)
>
> On 11/10/05, Douglas Roberts <doug at parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>> Well, then, as if I really needed another reason to be able to state
>> that
>> the only OS's running on machines at my house are Linux, and the
>> BSD-based
>> OSX. But ok, I'll take another reason.
>>
>> You're welcome,
>> Doug Roberts
>>
>> On 11/10/05, Tim Densmore <tim at backspaces.net> wrote:
>>> Another option is, of course, to run an alternative OS to Windows.
>>> Either way, I strongly urge people to boycott Sony and all Sony
>>> products. What's really interesting about all this is that there are
>>> now claims of trojan's based on the sony rootkit in the wild.
>>>
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/10/sony_drm_trojan/
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Tim Densmore
>>>
>>> -------------------------------
>>>
>>> "There's an awful lot of people in the world that sneer at Segways
>>> because other people are having fun. There must be something bad
>>> about
>>> it. But I always tell people, that hey, these Segways are so
>>> environmentally conscious. I carry four of them in the trunk of my
>>> Hummer."
>>>
>>> -The Woz
>>> On Nov 10, 2005, at 4:25 PM, McNamara, Laura A wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Douget al.,
>>>>
>>>> I heard about this on NPR and couldn't believe Sony would be so
>>>> stupid
>>>> myself. Glad to know the technical experts share my uneducated
>>>> anthropological opinion. I'm never loading a CD onto my computer
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>> From: Friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto: Friam-bounces at redfish.com]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:17 PM
>>>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>>>> Subject: [FRIAM] Sony's rootkit
>>>>
>>>> We were talking about this last Friday. What a stupid idea Sony had.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139586.html
>>>>
>>>> --Doug
>>>>
>> ============================================================
>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
>>>> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
>>>> http://www.friam.org
>>>
>>>
>> ============================================================
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>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
>>> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
>> http://www.friam.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ============================================================
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>>
>
>
> --
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> http://www.gilesgoatboy.org/
>
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Giles Bowkett

Sony's rootkit

fair enough, in the case of OS X at least. but the story just gets
worse and worse;

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/12/sonys_other_maliciou.html

"To summarize, MediaMax software:

* Is installed onto the computer without meaningful notification or
consent, and remains installed even if the license agreement is
declined;
* Includes either no uninstall mechanism or an uninstaller that fails
to completely remove the program like it claims;
* Sends information to SunnComm about the user's activities contrary
to SunnComm and Sony statements and without any option to disable the
transmissions."

(That's the OS X rootkit, the Windows one comes from a company called
First4Internet.)

On 11/11/05, Tim Densmore <tim at backspaces.net> wrote:

> To be fair, you're correct. However, I have limited sympathy for
> anyone who bangs on their keyboard and then clicks 'OK' when prompted
> to enter a password to install a lovely new rootkit on their machine.
>
> Thank you,
> Tim Densmore
>
> -------------------------------
>
> "There's an awful lot of people in the world that sneer at Segways
> because other people are having fun. There must be something bad about
> it. But I always tell people, that hey, these Segways are so
> environmentally conscious. I carry four of them in the trunk of my
> Hummer."
>
> -The Woz
> On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Giles Bowkett wrote:
>
> > I wish I could say the same -- at the same time, though, they made a
> > Mac version too.
> >
> > http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/10/sony_music_cds_infec.html
> >
> > (btw, sorry, i'm not at the cafe, after more than thirty years, my
> > wake-up system is still in beta.)
> >
> > On 11/10/05, Douglas Roberts <doug at parrot-farm.net> wrote:
> >> Well, then, as if I really needed another reason to be able to state
> >> that
> >> the only OS's running on machines at my house are Linux, and the
> >> BSD-based
> >> OSX. But ok, I'll take another reason.
> >>
> >> You're welcome,
> >> Doug Roberts
> >>
> >> On 11/10/05, Tim Densmore <tim at backspaces.net> wrote:
> >>> Another option is, of course, to run an alternative OS to Windows.
> >>> Either way, I strongly urge people to boycott Sony and all Sony
> >>> products. What's really interesting about all this is that there are
> >>> now claims of trojan's based on the sony rootkit in the wild.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/10/sony_drm_trojan/
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>> Tim Densmore
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> "There's an awful lot of people in the world that sneer at Segways
> >>> because other people are having fun. There must be something bad
> >>> about
> >>> it. But I always tell people, that hey, these Segways are so
> >>> environmentally conscious. I carry four of them in the trunk of my
> >>> Hummer."
> >>>
> >>> -The Woz
> >>> On Nov 10, 2005, at 4:25 PM, McNamara, Laura A wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hey Douget al.,
> >>>>
> >>>> I heard about this on NPR and couldn't believe Sony would be so
> >>>> stupid
> >>>> myself. Glad to know the technical experts share my uneducated
> >>>> anthropological opinion. I'm never loading a CD onto my computer
> >>>> again.
> >>>>
> >>>> Laura
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto: Friam-bounces at redfish.com]
> >>>> On
> >>>> Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:17 PM
> >>>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> >>>> Subject: [FRIAM] Sony's rootkit
> >>>>
> >>>> We were talking about this last Friday. What a stupid idea Sony had.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139586.html
> >>>>
> >>>> --Doug
> >>>>
> >> ============================================================
> >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> >>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> >>>> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> >>>> http://www.friam.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >> ============================================================
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> >>
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> >
> >
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