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Tom Johnson

Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

Oh boy. Are we in trouble now!

http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/

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George Duncan-2

Re: Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

Well done!

And is often the case the comments make you wonder.

Boat to mainland today and to what was the Republic of Dubrovnik.

George Duncan

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On May 26, 2014, at 6:24 AM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh boy. Are we in trouble now!

http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/

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John Balwit

Re: Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

In reply to this post by Tom Johnson

I repost a comment:

RE: Solar panels depleting the sun:

"This principle has been well known for a long time. This is why the size of movie theater audiences is limited….. if too many people view a film at once the projectors overheat the film and it burns up. - See more at: http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/#comments”

On May 25, 2014, at 10:24 PM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh boy. Are we in trouble now!
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Pamela McCorduck

Re: Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

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A couple of scientists I know posted this on FB, never DREAMING anyone would take it seriously. Guess what.

On May 26, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh boy. Are we in trouble now!
http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/
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Tom Johnson

Re: Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

I fear that room for humor in America is declining.

When do we see you in the West?
T.

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On May 26, 2014 8:10 AM, "Pamela McCorduck" <[hidden email]> wrote:

A couple of scientists I know posted this on FB, never DREAMING anyone would take it seriously. Guess what.

On May 26, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh boy. Are we in trouble now!
http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/

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Pamela McCorduck

Re: Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

Coming in Wednesday. Eager, eager, eager to see you and the glorious D!

On May 26, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

I fear that room for humor in America is declining.
When do we see you in the West?
T.
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On May 26, 2014 8:10 AM, "Pamela McCorduck" <[hidden email]> wrote:

A couple of scientists I know posted this on FB, never DREAMING anyone would take it seriously. Guess what.

On May 26, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh boy. Are we in trouble now!
http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/
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Russ Abbott

Re: Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

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Room for humor in America is declining because it's a finite resource and we are using it up too quickly.

-- Russ Abbott
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California State University, Los Angeles

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On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

I fear that room for humor in America is declining.

When do we see you in the West?
T.

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Santa Fe, NM
[hidden email]. <a href="tel:505-473-9646" value="+15054739646" target="_blank">505-473-9646
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On May 26, 2014 8:10 AM, "Pamela McCorduck" <[hidden email]> wrote:

A couple of scientists I know posted this on FB, never DREAMING anyone would take it seriously. Guess what.

On May 26, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh boy. Are we in trouble now!
http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/

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Nick Thompson

Re: Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

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So Pamela; how did it get from FB to the Wyoming (Dick Cheney?) institute of Physics Research. I still don’t get it? Too paranoid to be laughing, yet.

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:09 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

A couple of scientists I know posted this on FB, never DREAMING anyone would take it seriously. Guess what.

On May 26, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh boy. Are we in trouble now!
http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/
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Pamela McCorduck

Re: Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

In reply to this post by Russ Abbott

Nick, it might’ve gone the other direction—from Cheney’s website to the rest of us. My friends picked it up and posted it to laugh. They were appalled to be taken seriously by the Fox-credible—I guess they didn’t think they had any such “friends” on FB.

Russ, you’ve put your finger on a serious and underreported shortage. Blame the mainstream media for hushing it up.

On May 26, 2014, at 11:39 AM, Russ Abbott <[hidden email]> wrote:

Room for humor in America is declining because it's a finite resource and we are using it up too quickly.

-- Russ Abbott
_____________________________________________
Professor, Computer Science
California State University, Los Angeles

  Google voice: 747-999-5105; CS Dept.: 323-343-6690

  Google+: http://GPlus.to/RussAbbott,

http://tinyurl.com/RussAbbott, or

http://google.com/+RussAbbottCa

vita: sites.google.com/site/russabbott/

  CS Wiki and the courses I teach.
A draft of "Abstractions and Implementations."
How the Fed can fix the economy (2 pages): ssrn.com/abstract=1977688.
_____________________________________________

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
I fear that room for humor in America is declining.
When do we see you in the West?
T.
===================================
Tom Johnson - Inst. for Analytic Journalism
Santa Fe, NM
[hidden email].                <a href="tel:505-473-9646" value="+15054739646" target="_blank">505-473-9646
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On May 26, 2014 8:10 AM, "Pamela McCorduck" <[hidden email]> wrote:

A couple of scientists I know posted this on FB, never DREAMING anyone would take it seriously. Guess what.

On May 26, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh boy. Are we in trouble now!
http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/
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Tom Johnson - Inst. for Analytic Journalism
Santa Fe, NM
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Roger Critchlow-2

Re: Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

Clickbait, given the window dressing on the "National Report" website. It's not being taken seriously except for its ability to drag eyes to the page and feed them onto other pages designed to tax the credulous.

So, not much in the news because it's out south of Cabo and unlikely to reach shore, Amanda is the strongest May hurricane seen in the East Pacific since we began watching with satellites. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

-- rec --

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

So Pamela; how did it get from FB to the Wyoming (Dick Cheney?) institute of Physics Research. I still don’t get it? Too paranoid to be laughing, yet.

N

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:09 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

A couple of scientists I know posted this on FB, never DREAMING anyone would take it seriously. Guess what.

On May 26, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh boy. Are we in trouble now!
http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/

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John Balwit

Re: Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

Satire is tricky. For it to be effective it must be subtle but if it becomes too subtle it begins to merge with the "straight news” news of which it is a parody.

I wonder if there is an etymological connection between the word “parody” and “paradox”?

I like the Solar Panel article because I was initial “taken in” (that is assumed it was a real piece of right wing propaganda) but on a second reading all the funny little “tricks” that they identified/employed just made be bust a gut.

The article also highlighted for me the necessary steps of due diligence that are required in our relatively new Internet information environment.

It is so easy to uncritically digest things that accord with our own beliefs. Unfortunately, the stake for gullibility are quite high.

I think that satire like the National Report, The Onion, and perhaps even Fox News (!?) may ultimately serve a valuable role in public education.

John Balwit

On May 26, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:

Clickbait, given the window dressing on the "National Report" website. It's not being taken seriously except for its ability to drag eyes to the page and feed them onto other pages designed to tax the credulous.

So, not much in the news because it's out south of Cabo and unlikely to reach shore, Amanda is the strongest May hurricane seen in the East Pacific since we began watching with satellites. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

-- rec --

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

So Pamela; how did it get from FB to the Wyoming (Dick Cheney?) institute of Physics Research. I still don’t get it? Too paranoid to be laughing, yet.

N

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:09 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

A couple of scientists I know posted this on FB, never DREAMING anyone would take it seriously. Guess what.

On May 26, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh boy. Are we in trouble now!
http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/
===================================
Tom Johnson - Inst. for Analytic Journalism
Santa Fe, NM
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Roger Critchlow-2

Re: Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

http://blogs.barrons.com/incomeinvesting/2014/05/23/barclays-downgrades-electric-utility-bonds-sees-viable-solar-competition/

Barclays this week downgrades the entire electric sector of the U.S. high-grade corporate bond market to underweight, saying it sees long-term challenges to electric utilities from solar energy, and that the electric sector of the bond market isn’t pricing in these challenges right now. It’s a noteworthy downgrade since electric utilities which make up nearly 7.5% of Barclays’ U.S. Corporate Index by market value.

-- rec --

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 10:32 AM, John Balwit <[hidden email]> wrote:

Satire is tricky. For it to be effective it must be subtle but if it becomes too subtle it begins to merge with the "straight news” news of which it is a parody.
I wonder if there is an etymological connection between the word “parody” and “paradox”?

I like the Solar Panel article because I was initial “taken in” (that is assumed it was a real piece of right wing propaganda) but on a second reading all the funny little “tricks” that they identified/employed just made be bust a gut.

The article also highlighted for me the necessary steps of due diligence that are required in our relatively new Internet information environment.
It is so easy to uncritically digest things that accord with our own beliefs. Unfortunately, the stake for gullibility are quite high.

I think that satire like the National Report, The Onion, and perhaps even Fox News (!?) may ultimately serve a valuable role in public education.

John Balwit

On May 26, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:

Clickbait, given the window dressing on the "National Report" website. It's not being taken seriously except for its ability to drag eyes to the page and feed them onto other pages designed to tax the credulous.

So, not much in the news because it's out south of Cabo and unlikely to reach shore, Amanda is the strongest May hurricane seen in the East Pacific since we began watching with satellites. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

-- rec --

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

So Pamela; how did it get from FB to the Wyoming (Dick Cheney?) institute of Physics Research. I still don’t get it? Too paranoid to be laughing, yet.

N

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:09 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

A couple of scientists I know posted this on FB, never DREAMING anyone would take it seriously. Guess what.

On May 26, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh boy. Are we in trouble now!
http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/

===================================
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Frank Wimberly

Re: Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

In reply to this post by John Balwit

Satire may be tricky but it should be obvious that whatever energy leaves the sun leaves it regardless of whether it hits the earth or the solar panels thereon. Also compare the total area of those panels with the area of the sphere whose radius is the distance from the earth to the sun (approximately 12 x 10^14 or 1,200,000,000,000,000 square miles). If the surface of the earth were covered with solar panels the flux of the solar energy that hits them in a given length of time would be approximately one billionth of the total energy emitted in that time. I don’t think the sun would notice that.

Frank C. Wimberly

140 Calle Ojo Feliz

Santa Fe, NM 87505

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Phone: (505) 995-8715 Cell: (505) 670-9918

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John Balwit
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:32 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

Satire is tricky. For it to be effective it must be subtle but if it becomes too subtle it begins to merge with the "straight news” news of which it is a parody.

I wonder if there is an etymological connection between the word “parody” and “paradox”?

The article also highlighted for me the necessary steps of due diligence that are required in our relatively new Internet information environment.

It is so easy to uncritically digest things that accord with our own beliefs. Unfortunately, the stake for gullibility are quite high.

I think that satire like the National Report, The Onion, and perhaps even Fox News (!?) may ultimately serve a valuable role in public education.

John Balwit

On May 26, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:

-- rec --

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

So Pamela; how did it get from FB to the Wyoming (Dick Cheney?) institute of Physics Research. I still don’t get it? Too paranoid to be laughing, yet.

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

A couple of scientists I know posted this on FB, never DREAMING anyone would take it seriously. Guess what.

On May 26, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh boy. Are we in trouble now!
http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/
===================================
Tom Johnson - Inst. for Analytic Journalism
Santa Fe, NM
[hidden email]. <a href="tel:505-473-9646" target="_blank">505-473-9646
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Steve Smith

Re: Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

All this just leads me back to the Dyson Sphere. I wonder which faction (Conservative, Progressive, Green or Libertarian at the moment) are most likely to lead us to that point (ignoring the much higher likelihood that 2 or 3 of the 4 will likely lead us off a cliff or into a bridge-abutment first?

It seems as if the conservatives would find it most appealing on the face of it, perfect and complete harvesting of all resources... sort of a solar-system scale plantation (think Niven's Ringworld).

For similar but different in spirit, perhaps, the progressives would approve of maximizing the delivery of natural resources to all humans equally... greatest good for most in some sense.

Greens, you would think, would be totally opposed, the epitome of destroying the "natural order".

LIbertarians probably assume that this is where we will end up on our own, totally optimizing resource utilization through uber-free markets?

Satire may be tricky but it should be obvious that whatever energy leaves the sun leaves it regardless of whether it hits the earth or the solar panels thereon. Also compare the total area of those panels with the area of the sphere whose radius is the distance from the earth to the sun (approximately 12 x 10^14 or 1,200,000,000,000,000 square miles). If the surface of the earth were covered with solar panels the flux of the solar energy that hits them in a given length of time would be approximately one billionth of the total energy emitted in that time. I don’t think the sun would notice that.

Frank C. Wimberly

140 Calle Ojo Feliz

Santa Fe, NM 87505

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Phone: (505) 995-8715      Cell: (505) 670-9918

From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John Balwit
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:32 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

Satire is tricky. For it to be effective it must be subtle but if it becomes too subtle it begins to merge with the "straight news” news of which it is a parody.

I wonder if there is an etymological connection between the word “parody” and “paradox”?

I like the Solar Panel article because I was initial “taken in” (that is assumed it was a real piece of right wing propaganda) but on a second reading all the funny little “tricks” that they identified/employed just made be bust a gut.

The article also highlighted for me the necessary steps of due diligence that are required in our relatively new Internet information environment.

It is so easy to uncritically digest things that accord with our own beliefs. Unfortunately, the stake for gullibility are quite high.

I think that satire like the National Report, The Onion, and perhaps even Fox News (!?) may ultimately serve a valuable role in public education.

John Balwit

On May 26, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:

Clickbait, given the window dressing on the "National Report" website. It's not being taken seriously except for its ability to drag eyes to the page and feed them onto other pages designed to tax the credulous.

So, not much in the news because it's out south of Cabo and unlikely to reach shore, Amanda is the strongest May hurricane seen in the East Pacific since we began watching with satellites. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

-- rec --

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

So Pamela; how did it get from FB to the Wyoming (Dick Cheney?) institute of Physics Research. I still don’t get it? Too paranoid to be laughing, yet.

N

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

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From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:09 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

A couple of scientists I know posted this on FB, never DREAMING anyone would take it seriously. Guess what.

On May 26, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh boy. Are we in trouble now!

http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/

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Arlo Barnes

Re: Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

All this just leads me back to the Dyson Sphere. I wonder which faction (Conservative, Progressive, Green or Libertarian at the moment) are most likely to lead us to that point (ignoring the much higher likelihood that 2 or 3 of the 4 will likely lead us off a cliff or into a bridge-abutment first?
It seems as if the conservatives would find it most appealing on the face of it, perfect and complete harvesting of all resources... sort of a solar-system scale plantation (think Niven's Ringworld).
For similar but different in spirit, perhaps, the progressives would approve of maximizing the delivery of natural resources to all humans equally... greatest good for most in some sense.
Greens, you would think, would be totally opposed, the epitome of destroying the "natural order".
LIbertarians probably assume that this is where we will end up on our own, totally optimizing resource utilization through uber-free markets?

Assuming the original formulation of the Dyson sphere as a network of independent statites, I think the greens would be on board more than you expect. For any conceivable energy usage for the near future, we would nowhere near as many statites as it would take to significantly reduce the amount of solar energy that gets past them. Of course, the greens are a lot less unified than they would probably (need to) be if they were the dominant party, so there is room for difference of opinion. Are you talking about a neon green, or more of a kelly or olive?

-Arlo James Barnes

Roger Critchlow-2

Re: Solar Panels Drain the Sun's Energy, Experts Say | National Report

The more interesting question is which factions are actually capable of running anything at all? Given that the world is littered with ¨failed¨ states, what happens to your Dyson spherical sector when the governor gets tired of supporting all those statelet employees and sends them packing. Does your sector get vaporized when the radiators stop working correctly?

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On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Arlo Barnes <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

All this just leads me back to the Dyson Sphere. I wonder which faction (Conservative, Progressive, Green or Libertarian at the moment) are most likely to lead us to that point (ignoring the much higher likelihood that 2 or 3 of the 4 will likely lead us off a cliff or into a bridge-abutment first?
It seems as if the conservatives would find it most appealing on the face of it, perfect and complete harvesting of all resources... sort of a solar-system scale plantation (think Niven's Ringworld).
For similar but different in spirit, perhaps, the progressives would approve of maximizing the delivery of natural resources to all humans equally... greatest good for most in some sense.
Greens, you would think, would be totally opposed, the epitome of destroying the "natural order".
LIbertarians probably assume that this is where we will end up on our own, totally optimizing resource utilization through uber-free markets?

Assuming the original formulation of the Dyson sphere as a network of independent statites, I think the greens would be on board more than you expect. For any conceivable energy usage for the near future, we would nowhere near as many statites as it would take to significantly reduce the amount of solar energy that gets past them. Of course, the greens are a lot less unified than they would probably (need to) be if they were the dominant party, so there is room for difference of opinion. Are you talking about a neon green, or more of a kelly or olive?

-Arlo James Barnes

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