Score one for Wokeism!
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Laugh. Talk about your *facts, but careless conversions may land you in mentijail for counterfeiting.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 11:10 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Score one for Wokeism! Yeah, that's an excellent point, which I would reword in terms of "distance" from a ground truth. I like the distinctions evoked by naturfact, artifact, and mentifact. It's quite fun to spend some time down a rabbit hole playing around with purely imaginary nonsense ... like playing an abstract video game (https://store.steampowered.com/app/726810/Void_Cube_Runner/). But ultimately, everything we do is grounded somewhere ... otherwise we literally couldn't do it ... like the old saw about finding a truly alien species but not recognizing them as a life form because they're too alien. If we disallowed all software defined peaks with a distance from ground > 1, then there would be no culture at all. And if we had minds and mentifacts, trading them would get you thrown in jail. So we'd have to define some distance from ground and set a fuzzy boundary around that. QAnon is clearly way too far from ground. But, say, Lense-Thirring as a solution to Dark Matter is not too far. The jury's still out on quantum computation, though. >8^D On 3/5/21 10:50 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I don't think it has to be the extreme case of self-referential fitness. Q-Anon provides a scaffolding such that the landscape is "software defined". It's not like a rabbit found some food to eat, and the food was growing due to favorable conditions on that hilltop. The hill was there because some dorks on Facebook decided to make a hill there. Anyway, I see what you mean by "flattening" if you really think that individuals and fitness are one and the same. The possibility of "software defined" hills is what I would prohibit, e.g. World War Z. > > https://youtu.be/uU0DNCV22dU?t=92 -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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Oh don't I know. I've been canceled twice already. I'm surprised it hasn't happened, here, yet.
On 3/5/21 11:19 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Laugh. Talk about your *facts, but careless conversions may land you in mentijail for counterfeiting. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
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"You" as in random Q-Anon wingnut. I've never been subscribed, so I wouldn't know about cancellation!
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 11:25 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Score one for Wokeism! Oh don't I know. I've been canceled twice already. I'm surprised it hasn't happened, here, yet. On 3/5/21 11:19 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Laugh. Talk about your *facts, but careless conversions may land you in mentijail for counterfeiting. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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Whack-a-Mole vs Frogger?
On 3/5/21 11:06 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > I can't believe that. The act of flattening is a natural part of the dynamics. What you (and Marcus) are equating is the act of flattening with a system-wide tendency to flatten *everything*. By saying the flattening is good, I'm not saying everything should always be flattened. That's a false equivalence that I doubt Arendt would support. > > And this also applies to endogenous objective functions. Facile flattening encourages new peaks ... encourages a bumpy, complex landscape. Totalitarianism and authoritarianism are exogenous functions. > > On 3/5/21 10:01 AM, jon zingale wrote: >> Hannah Arendt (wink to Merle) argues that the flattening (both externally and >> internally) is perhaps the salient feature of totalitarianism. I find myself >> often looking for the original reference and unfortunately not finding it. > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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Gaia feeling sneezy. Blow those 'lil boats up in the air.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 1:31 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Score one for Wokeism! Whack-a-Mole vs Frogger? On 3/5/21 11:06 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > I can't believe that. The act of flattening is a natural part of the dynamics. What you (and Marcus) are equating is the act of flattening with a system-wide tendency to flatten *everything*. By saying the flattening is good, I'm not saying everything should always be flattened. That's a false equivalence that I doubt Arendt would support. > > And this also applies to endogenous objective functions. Facile flattening encourages new peaks ... encourages a bumpy, complex landscape. Totalitarianism and authoritarianism are exogenous functions. > > On 3/5/21 10:01 AM, jon zingale wrote: >> Hannah Arendt (wink to Merle) argues that the flattening (both >> externally and >> internally) is perhaps the salient feature of totalitarianism. I find >> myself often looking for the original reference and unfortunately not finding it. > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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