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Santa Fe New Mexican: Our View: For mayor, no perfect choice

Owen Densmore
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Sorry to be local here, but this came as a surprise to me, from the New Mexican editorial today:
    Our View: For mayor, no perfect choice

For a couple of weeks, it looked like Gonzales was their favorite.  Certainly unique and not a City Council member (they all are pretty horrid and simply cannot understand networking nor computing .. let alone economic development).  So he looked pretty good.

But the problem is that he's unfairly having PACs and others pay for electioneering, which goes against the Santa Fe voting laws.  And he's not stopping it, even tho not being done directly from him.

So big money backing him.

Our choice now reverts to two city councilors, death by ignorance.

Anyone with experience and insights that may not make the papers?

   -- Owen

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Re: Santa Fe New Mexican: Our View: For mayor, no perfect choice

Tom Johnson
So why would anyone even think of voting for a guy who is running to be a public official (Dimas) who doesn't show up in public (Dimas)?  Oh yeah, also a guy who took $60k in public financing of his campaign.  I look forward to seeing his expenditure reports.

-tj


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sorry to be local here, but this came as a surprise to me, from the New Mexican editorial today:
    Our View: For mayor, no perfect choice

For a couple of weeks, it looked like Gonzales was their favorite.  Certainly unique and not a City Council member (they all are pretty horrid and simply cannot understand networking nor computing .. let alone economic development).  So he looked pretty good.

But the problem is that he's unfairly having PACs and others pay for electioneering, which goes against the Santa Fe voting laws.  And he's not stopping it, even tho not being done directly from him.

So big money backing him.

Our choice now reverts to two city councilors, death by ignorance.

Anyone with experience and insights that may not make the papers?

   -- Owen

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Re: Santa Fe New Mexican: Our View: For mayor, no perfect choice

Arlo Barnes
The rationale Dimas gave (in a Generation Next interview) is that he thinks the public fora Bushe`e and Gonzales have been debating in (the usual places, that is) are frequented predominantly by insiders, and not the public at large. Apparently, he thinks the best way to contact the "actual" public, then, is to flood the city with the physical equivalent of spam - polycarbonate campaign signs. I cannot vote for mayor because I live outside city limits (if you actually look at the boundaries, especially on the south side, they can be pretty ragged), but I would love to see an art campaign for defacing his (and others') posters - even his supporters could join in with favorable modifications.

It seems like the main reason behind the (more extensive than one might think?) feeling of 'no good choice' is that the main venues of discussion have focussed on politics (like funding) rather than issues and ideological/action history. Gonzales (Chrome suggested Gonzalez, is that spelling more common internationally?) may be backed by big money, but more important are the questions of whose big money, and if that will affect his actions as possible mayor, and in which way.

-Arlo James Barnes

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Re: Santa Fe New Mexican: Our View: For mayor, no perfect choice

Gillian Densmore
While not entirely baffled that it's 'polotics as sorta usual'.-60k for city mayor? is Gonzales gunning for govenor? I sort of feel that of the people running...i'm not all that thrilled. I haven't seen anything about city bolstering stuffs. Unless i've missed something they have haven't talked at all about improved education, some mesures to mitigate a declining climate etc etc.


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Arlo Barnes <[hidden email]> wrote:
The rationale Dimas gave (in a Generation Next interview) is that he thinks the public fora Bushe`e and Gonzales have been debating in (the usual places, that is) are frequented predominantly by insiders, and not the public at large. Apparently, he thinks the best way to contact the "actual" public, then, is to flood the city with the physical equivalent of spam - polycarbonate campaign signs. I cannot vote for mayor because I live outside city limits (if you actually look at the boundaries, especially on the south side, they can be pretty ragged), but I would love to see an art campaign for defacing his (and others') posters - even his supporters could join in with favorable modifications.

It seems like the main reason behind the (more extensive than one might think?) feeling of 'no good choice' is that the main venues of discussion have focussed on politics (like funding) rather than issues and ideological/action history. Gonzales (Chrome suggested Gonzalez, is that spelling more common internationally?) may be backed by big money, but more important are the questions of whose big money, and if that will affect his actions as possible mayor, and in which way.

-Arlo James Barnes

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Re: Santa Fe New Mexican: Our View: For mayor, no perfect choice

Merle Lefkoff-2
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...and why would local voters wanted to reinforce the problem with democracy today:  campaigns and politicians bought and sold.


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
So why would anyone even think of voting for a guy who is running to be a public official (Dimas) who doesn't show up in public (Dimas)?  Oh yeah, also a guy who took $60k in public financing of his campaign.  I look forward to seeing his expenditure reports.

-tj


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sorry to be local here, but this came as a surprise to me, from the New Mexican editorial today:
    Our View: For mayor, no perfect choice

For a couple of weeks, it looked like Gonzales was their favorite.  Certainly unique and not a City Council member (they all are pretty horrid and simply cannot understand networking nor computing .. let alone economic development).  So he looked pretty good.

But the problem is that he's unfairly having PACs and others pay for electioneering, which goes against the Santa Fe voting laws.  And he's not stopping it, even tho not being done directly from him.

So big money backing him.

Our choice now reverts to two city councilors, death by ignorance.

Anyone with experience and insights that may not make the papers?

   -- Owen

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Re: Santa Fe New Mexican: Our View: For mayor, no perfect choice

Owen Densmore
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Well, money-as-power does not bother me.  The idiotic city council does.  Gonzales is the the only one not on the council IIRC.

But my big deal is the internet.  Small minded of me, I'm sure.  But the insane council anti-fiber stand is certainly not pro-growth.  My bet is that at least Gonzales can at least *spell*


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:
...and why would local voters wanted to reinforce the problem with democracy today:  campaigns and politicians bought and sold.


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
So why would anyone even think of voting for a guy who is running to be a public official (Dimas) who doesn't show up in public (Dimas)?  Oh yeah, also a guy who took $60k in public financing of his campaign.  I look forward to seeing his expenditure reports.

-tj


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sorry to be local here, but this came as a surprise to me, from the New Mexican editorial today:
    Our View: For mayor, no perfect choice

For a couple of weeks, it looked like Gonzales was their favorite.  Certainly unique and not a City Council member (they all are pretty horrid and simply cannot understand networking nor computing .. let alone economic development).  So he looked pretty good.

But the problem is that he's unfairly having PACs and others pay for electioneering, which goes against the Santa Fe voting laws.  And he's not stopping it, even tho not being done directly from him.

So big money backing him.

Our choice now reverts to two city councilors, death by ignorance.

Anyone with experience and insights that may not make the papers?

   -- Owen

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Re: Santa Fe New Mexican: Our View: For mayor, no perfect choice

Owen Densmore
Administrator
oops .. "*spell* internet"


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Well, money-as-power does not bother me.  The idiotic city council does.  Gonzales is the the only one not on the council IIRC.

But my big deal is the internet.  Small minded of me, I'm sure.  But the insane council anti-fiber stand is certainly not pro-growth.  My bet is that at least Gonzales can at least *spell*


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:
...and why would local voters wanted to reinforce the problem with democracy today:  campaigns and politicians bought and sold.


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
So why would anyone even think of voting for a guy who is running to be a public official (Dimas) who doesn't show up in public (Dimas)?  Oh yeah, also a guy who took $60k in public financing of his campaign.  I look forward to seeing his expenditure reports.

-tj


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sorry to be local here, but this came as a surprise to me, from the New Mexican editorial today:
    Our View: For mayor, no perfect choice

For a couple of weeks, it looked like Gonzales was their favorite.  Certainly unique and not a City Council member (they all are pretty horrid and simply cannot understand networking nor computing .. let alone economic development).  So he looked pretty good.

But the problem is that he's unfairly having PACs and others pay for electioneering, which goes against the Santa Fe voting laws.  And he's not stopping it, even tho not being done directly from him.

So big money backing him.

Our choice now reverts to two city councilors, death by ignorance.

Anyone with experience and insights that may not make the papers?

   -- Owen

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