Santa Fe City Council approves funding for SFComplex
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Thank you to everyone that wrote letters to the Council and the 60
sfComplex supporters who sat through a 4 hour City Council Meeting! Unaminous approval from City Council! Lot's of fun work to do, now. Come do a project at the Complex! -Stephen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Stephen Guerin wrote:
> Thank you to everyone that wrote letters to the Council and the 60 > sfComplex supporters who sat through a 4 hour City Council Meeting! > > Unaminous approval from City Council! Lot's of fun work to do, now. > Come do a project at the Complex! > > -Stephen > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > Congratulations!! When so many thought it couldn't be done......... I wish I could have been there to savor the moment. You are an inspiration to Madrona. Skiing? I'll be in Vail through Christmas, but back for a bit after that. Onward! Merle ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Congratulations!! I wish you'll accomplish all your goals and hope you'll enjoy while doing.
A local radio station of Santa Fe broadcast on live the Council Meeting by Internet. I was listening but I didn't know what happened at the end. During this months of the year my time zone is a couple of hours ahead and I get slept while I was listening your neighbours. Alfredo 2008/12/13 Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]>
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Maybe interesting for the sfX ?
http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2008/01/the_future_of_scienceis_art.php -J. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Jochen,
Thanks for the interesting link. The article, in my opinion, describes the various Science and Art connections the Complex is trying to make. O Jochen Fromm wrote: Maybe interesting for the sfX ? http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2008/01/the_future_of_scienceis_art.php ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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I am curious, but my machine seems sick and won't
let me download anything today. I'll try again tomorrow.
Jack
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Jochen,
Here is another take on Science and Art. http://www.artic.edu/aic/education/sciarttech/2a1.html ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Just finishing Leonard Shlain's Art and Physics: Parallel Visions in Space, Time and Light. Older book, 1991, quite good. http://www.artandphysics.com/index.html.
Mike On Dec 16, 2008, at 9:59 PM, Orlando Leibovitz wrote:
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24hr global air traffic image… http://www.clipjunkie.com/Global-Air-Traffic-vid4043.html
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Michael,
Thanks, I have read parts of the Shlain book. Here is a link to three of my paintings, hopefully connecting art and science. They are all about 54"x48" and are acrylic on jute. When finished the series will be comprised of 8-10 paintings, maybe more. http://www.orlandoleibovitz.com/ArtAndPhysics/ArtAndPhysics.html O Michael Agar wrote: Just finishing Leonard Shlain's Art and Physics: Parallel Visions in Space, Time and Light. Older book, 1991, quite good. http://www.artandphysics.com/index.html. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Michael,
Shlain's book is a good read. It's hard for
me-- and probably unwise since I have a book as well--to say a critical word
about it, although others have done so..
I have long been aware of Shlain's book. The basic
thesis is that art pre-discovers physics. One might readily agree that, in
the arts and sciences, the zeitgeist, ie, the spirit of the time, reveals itself
both in science and the arts (music, literature, and the
sciences). But one must tread carefully here and not overuse a theme, and
sweep details under one rug.
An example: In the 1860s Manet painted a number of
single-figure paintings. Examples: The Dead Toreador (in the National Gallery of
art in Washington), The Piper, and the Dead Toreador ( now in the Norton
Simon Museum in Pasadena). Manet said that he had no trouble painting figures in
groups but found painting single figures an artistic challenge. This is a
position he shared with Delacroix, whose work he admired greatly.The
curators at the Norton Simon Museum have made a very careful analyisis of
Manet's purposes in this regard (cf, my book comments and an
excerpt from thier essay). So the particular
way Manet approached such a problem was quite singular.He painted them without
any significant anchoring ground shadow.
This, Shlain jumped on as evidence that Manet knew
in 1866 that there was something wrong with Newton's theory of gravity.
Einstein's theory of General Relativity, which revolutionized our concept of
space, time, and matter, came in 1915. It is universally regarded among
most historians of science as one of the most revolutionary ideas in
physics, surely unanticipated by artists on the streets of Paris in
1866. (See Gerald Holton, refrred to in my book.).There are some
connecttions made with nn-Euclidean geometry, but that is another
story.
On the other hand, Einstein's Special Theory of
Relativity (1905) is quite a different thing: if he hadn't published
that work when he did, someone else was likely to have done so shortly
thereafter: That theory was "in the air" -among physicists at least.
The basic point is that art had its own
justifications for Manet's work. Similarly, Shlain's brush tarred Cezanne's
still lifes the same way. Again , one must examine GCezanne's own
imperatives.(See my book.)
If FRIAM and the Santa Fe Complex are
interested in pursuing the art, technology theme, I recommend a solidly
scholarly book: LynnGamwell's Exploring the Invisible:Art: Science, and the
Spiritual (Princeton U Press, 2002)
Jack
(author of Hidden
Harmony , the Johns Hopkins U. Press, 2008)
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Thanks, cautions duly noted. I picked up the book in the New Mexico Tech bookstore in Socorro, first thing of its kind I'd seen. I saw from the web pages that he gets criticized by both the science and art world and he admits to being an amateur in both fields. I enjoyed it for the way he formulates a language to talk about how fundamental notions of experience like space, time and light shift in similar ways in different domains to some historical rhythm. He tosses in literature and architecture and music towards the end just for good measure, no pun intended. I don't think there was much in the way of direct contact or conscious knowing across those domains, either. But that old saw still fascinates me. whether or not fundamental ideas shift across domains/places/persons to the beat of the same historical drummer, or not. Foucault on amphetamines. What the hell, the guy probably made it all up, but then I enjoyed Castañeda's Teachings of Don Juan, too.
Mike On Dec 18, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Jack Leibowitz wrote:
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Mike,
Another good book on this topic is Einstein Picasso by Arthur I Miller. I have spoken with Jack a few times about this book and he may have some problems with it (forgive me Jack, I should not be speaking for you) but I think it is well written and interesting for both the art history, the biography and the physics. O Michael Agar wrote: Thanks, cautions duly noted. I picked up the book in the New Mexico Tech bookstore in Socorro, first thing of its kind I'd seen. I saw from the web pages that he gets criticized by both the science and art world and he admits to being an amateur in both fields. I enjoyed it for the way he formulates a language to talk about how fundamental notions of experience like space, time and light shift in similar ways in different domains to some historical rhythm. He tosses in literature and architecture and music towards the end just for good measure, no pun intended. I don't think there was much in the way of direct contact or conscious knowing across those domains, either. But that old saw still fascinates me. whether or not fundamental ideas shift across domains/places/persons to the beat of the same historical drummer, or not. Foucault on amphetamines. What the hell, the guy probably made it all up, but then I enjoyed Castañeda's Teachings of Don Juan, too. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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