SFe not doing so well
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I thought we (Thurston) were doing poorly. But Santa Fe county seems to have ~2x our rate. The 2nd file shows per population and per pop, per area. SFe comes out on top in all derivations.
Area of Santa Fe New Mexico = 4945359181 km^2 Population of Santa Fe New Mexico = 150358 Area of Thurston Washington = 1869871525 km^2 Population of Thurston Washington = 290536 Area of Kitsap Washington = 1022893152 km^2 Population of Kitsap Washington = 271473 Area of Kane Utah = 10334644139 km^2 Population of Kane Utah = 7886 -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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Glen, Anecdotal "evidence". Two weeks ago, I hadn't known anybody who knew anybody who had tested positive; today I know two. No connection between them. It appears that only fear regulates the distribution of the virus. Myself, I am up to March fear level. Narcissistic Abduction: Now that I am scared, perhaps the virus will ease off? Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- I thought we (Thurston) were doing poorly. But Santa Fe county seems to have ~2x our rate. The 2nd file shows per population and per pop, per area. SFe comes out on top in all derivations. Area of Santa Fe New Mexico = 4945359181 km^2 Population of Santa Fe New Mexico = 150358 Area of Thurston Washington = 1869871525 km^2 Population of Thurston Washington = 290536 Area of Kitsap Washington = 1022893152 km^2 Population of Kitsap Washington = 271473 Area of Kane Utah = 10334644139 km^2 Population of Kane Utah = 7886 -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Actually I think the proper connection is that when everyone gets scared, the virus eases (if not easing, it is finding it harder to find victims). Unfortunately, once it eases some, people get less scared and then get C-19. —Barry On 17 Nov 2020, at 10:56, [hidden email] wrote:
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I have mixed feelings about the NM Governors messaging right now. The highway marquee signs I see say something like "hospitals full - 2 week reset - stay home" but we also got a statewide txt message like an amber alert with yet more dire warning... as if the dams upstream had broken and a 50' wall of water was going to sweep us away just as we were reading the text... or if we had a basement we should dive into it because a tornado was already in the process of ripping our house off its foundation. The former worked for me, the latter just seemed hysterical. Maybe this is what it takes. I was out and about myself yesterday (finding internet from a cell tower since my home link was down!) and saw a *lot* of traffic in Pojoaque and Espanola, both automobile and foot and not nearly as many masks as during the April-May hard shutdown. I take it as a rough rule of thumb that if I cut my contacts in half I've cut my (potential) Ro in half... even if I have it (asymptomatically) I am half as likely to pass it on. Same for everyone else, with bias of course against the gadflies and the irresponsibles (no masks, etc.). The lag time for results, both on tightening and loosening makes it hard to "steer" this huge cruise-ship of fools that we are.
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It would be good to see proactive messaging as well. Boost your immune
system, vitamin D appears to help, exercise regularly... Additionally, some amount of predictive detail so that we are not left waiting around the proverbial hospital door. Spanish Flu lasted for two years, we expect about the same for this, get comfy. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Jon 'n all,
Why did the Spanish flu stop? Herd immunity? Oh, by the way, just to keep the record strain, the "Spanish" flue probably arose in Sublette KS, about a 150 miles NE of here. Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [hidden email] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of jon zingale Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 8:48 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] SFe not doing so well It would be good to see proactive messaging as well. Boost your immune system, vitamin D appears to help, exercise regularly... Additionally, some amount of predictive detail so that we are not left waiting around the proverbial hospital door. Spanish Flu lasted for two years, we expect about the same for this, get comfy. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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So, why have governments not indulged in public service announcements of the “loose lips sink ships” variety. Bumper stickers like, “Stay home and shut up! Your nation needs you.” Or the picture of some “life of the party” guy regaling his fellow drinkers with the Jaws music playing in the back ground. Somebody like Bloomberg could blanket ND with messages like that and see what happened. By the way, if the FRIAM cartoonist would reveal it self to me, I have a New Yorker quality cartoon idea I desperately want to see drawn. N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith I have mixed feelings about the NM Governors messaging right now. The highway marquee signs I see say something like "hospitals full - 2 week reset - stay home" but we also got a statewide txt message like an amber alert with yet more dire warning... as if the dams upstream had broken and a 50' wall of water was going to sweep us away just as we were reading the text... or if we had a basement we should dive into it because a tornado was already in the process of ripping our house off its foundation. The former worked for me, the latter just seemed hysterical. Maybe this is what it takes. I was out and about myself yesterday (finding internet from a cell tower since my home link was down!) and saw a *lot* of traffic in Pojoaque and Espanola, both automobile and foot and not nearly as many masks as during the April-May hard shutdown. I take it as a rough rule of thumb that if I cut my contacts in half I've cut my (potential) Ro in half... even if I have it (asymptomatically) I am half as likely to pass it on. Same for everyone else, with bias of course against the gadflies and the irresponsibles (no masks, etc.). The lag time for results, both on tightening and loosening makes it hard to "steer" this huge cruise-ship of fools that we are.
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Welcome to the nickshow. I'd wager that many on this list were alive from the spanish flu erra, probably have choice words about it. Look this covid crap has gotten out of hand. NM's Quen B horse faced gov claimes she couldn't forsee the issues with covid. B*** knows full hell and well everyone is over just reacting to the damn thing vs proactive stuff. As to numbers? It's easy to confuse basically shoving more NPCs in game speak into this mess over actually having more cases. And even their are. And the damn thing is super contagous . Ok yeah got that memeo. So what the F are we doing? Sitting on our thumbs without putting out basics: Queen B tells people to stay home? where's the basic income to cover morgages,, rent, gas, tacobell, or getting little timy his special thing because he keeps having a meltdown. More cases? more likely more people going to doctors to B*** about feeling like Sh*** and what the hell is going on, oh turns out your A*** has Covid. That's not more cases. That's more people going to a doctor to complain. More fresh cases would be if knew about the people saying they feel like sh*** and and then a brand new lot said the samething. On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 9:31 AM <[hidden email]> wrote: Jon 'n all, - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Not putting out the basics ought to be criminal. There will be plenty more
brick 'n mortar buildings for big boxes to knock down and smaller corporates to move into. It occurs to me that for the cold and calculating, one-three million dead does little to impact the future of business. Enough new consumers will be born next year to make up for the difference. Resources are to be gained (realty in Manhattan, one-click shopping?) for those with the cash. Clearly, our race behaves just about as good as random in aggregate, so yeah, get comfy. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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John wrote
"Enough new consumers will be born next year to make up for the difference." Not necessarily, it seems that the lock down prompted a precipitous drop in baby making. Familiarity does not breed. davew On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, at 10:27 AM, jon zingale wrote: > Not putting out the basics ought to be criminal. There will be plenty more > brick 'n mortar buildings for big boxes to knock down and smaller corporates > to move into. It occurs to me that for the cold and calculating, one-three > million dead does little to impact the future of business. Enough new > consumers will be born next year to make up for the difference. Resources > are to be gained (realty in Manhattan, one-click shopping?) for those with > the cash. Clearly, our race behaves just about as good as random in > aggregate, so yeah, get comfy. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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