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I bought today the latest book of Ray Kurzwell "The Singularity Is Near". I think it's worthy to read his remarks on Walfram's rule 110 (and beyond), pp 85-94 "Information, Order, and Evolution: The Insights from Wolfram and Fradkin's Cellular Automata".
P.S. There is another interesting book there "The Biology of Belief" by Bruce Lipton (New Biology). It seems beyond complexity of biological (and social) systems we are going to meet complexity of consciousness! -Mikhail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20051011/6a9c09bc/attachment.htm |
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On 10/11/05, Mikhail Gorelkin <gorelkin at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I bought today the latest book of Ray Kurzwell "The Singularity Is Near". > I think it's worthy to read his remarks on Walfram's rule 110 (and beyond), > pp 85-94 "Information, Order, and Evolution: The Insights from Wolfram and > Fradkin's Cellular Automata". > Out of curiosity - and a desire to save a little $$$ right now -- what does he have to say about Wolfram's CAR 110? P.S. There is another interesting book there "The Biology of Belief" by > Bruce Lipton (New Biology). It seems beyond complexity of biological (and > social) systems we are going to meet complexity of consciousness! > > -Mikhail > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > http://www.friam.org > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20051011/dbc3d80f/attachment-0001.htm |
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Briefly, Ray is asking a key question "How complex are the results of class 4 automate?" 1) His answer is many images of automate in Wolfram's book are interesting (and intelligent) only to a degree. They do not continue to evolve into anything more complex, nor do they develop new types of features. Even through more complex [then one-dimensional, two-color, two-neighbor] rules or further iteration we are unable to increase the complexity of the end result. Cellular automata get us so far and Artificial Intelligence can't evolve from it. 2) (Weak AI) If we add another simple concept - an evolutionary / genetic algorithm - to that of Wolfram's simple cellular automata, we start to get far more exciting and more intelligent results. 3) (Strong AI) Evolution on multiple levels: Conventional genetic algorithms allow evolution only within the confines of a narrow problem and a single means of evolution. The genetic code itself needs to evolve; the rules of evolution need to evolve, but to do it we need to understand biological evolution better.
-Mikhail ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Gizzi To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Rule 110 On 10/11/05, Mikhail Gorelkin <gorelkin at hotmail.com> wrote: I bought today the latest book of Ray Kurzwell "The Singularity Is Near". I think it's worthy to read his remarks on Walfram's rule 110 (and beyond), pp 85-94 "Information, Order, and Evolution: The Insights from Wolfram and Fradkin's Cellular Automata". Out of curiosity - and a desire to save a little $$$ right now -- what does he have to say about Wolfram's CAR 110? P.S. There is another interesting book there "The Biology of Belief" by Bruce Lipton (New Biology). It seems beyond complexity of biological (and social) systems we are going to meet complexity of consciousness! -Mikhail ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: http://www.friam.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: http://www.friam.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20051012/a19cdc69/attachment.htm |
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Thank you. I appreciate that summary.
Michael Gizzi On 10/11/05, Mikhail Gorelkin <gorelkin at hotmail.com> wrote: > > Briefly, Ray is asking a key question "How complex are the results of > class 4 automate?" 1) His answer is many images of automate in Wolfram's > book are interesting (and intelligent) only to a degree. They do not > continue to evolve into anything more complex, nor do they develop new types > of features. Even through more complex [then one-dimensional, two-color, > two-neighbor] rules or further iteration we are unable to increase the > complexity of the end result. Cellular automata get us so far and Artificial > Intelligence can't evolve from it. 2) (Weak AI) If we add another simple > concept - an evolutionary / genetic algorithm - to that of Wolfram's simple > cellular automata, we start to get far more exciting and more intelligent > results. 3) (Strong AI) Evolution on multiple levels: Conventional genetic > algorithms allow evolution only within the confines of a narrow problem and > a single means of evolution. The genetic code itself needs to evolve; the > rules of evolution need to evolve, but to do it we need to understand > biological evolution better. > > -Mikhail > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Michael Gizzi <mgizzi at gmail.com> > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group<Friam at redfish.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:36 PM > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Rule 110 > > > > On 10/11/05, Mikhail Gorelkin <gorelkin at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > I bought today the latest book of Ray Kurzwell "The Singularity Is > > Near". I think it's worthy to read his remarks on Walfram's rule 110 (and > > beyond), pp 85-94 "Information, Order, and Evolution: The Insights from > > Wolfram and Fradkin's Cellular Automata". > > > > Out of curiosity - and a desire to save a little $$$ right now -- what > does he have to say about Wolfram's CAR 110? > > P.S. There is another interesting book there "The Biology of Belief" by > > Bruce Lipton (New Biology). It seems beyond complexity of biological (and > > social) systems we are going to meet complexity of consciousness! > > > > -Mikhail > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations > > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > > http://www.friam.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > http://www.friam.org > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > http://www.friam.org > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20051012/3d3a41b9/attachment.htm |
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