Or genetics è schizophrenia èShaman (in some societies) è many offspring
Or two genes for schizophrenia leads to low reproductive outcome but ONE gene leads to genius.
Either way the gene is retained in the population.
Nicholas Thompson
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Clark University
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What about:
genetics -> schizophrenia -> psychotic behavior -> shortened life -> fewer offspring
Note that I am asking not asserting.
Frank
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Glen,
Notice, FWIW, that the original gen-phen distinction was understood to forbid any information traveling from phen to gen.
Nick
Nicholas Thompson
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Clark University
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In a project I was working on in the 70s we said that we were trying to identify phenotypic manifestations of a genetic predisposition to develop schizophrenia. Does that work for you?
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505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM
Neither! Ha! As Colleen Green mumbles: "Once you get to know me, you won't love me anymore." https://youtu.be/ankOO77de7o
You're both a little wrong and a little right. The gen-phen map is inspired by genotype-phenotype. But liberties are taken with what it can mean. In particular, I've worked with some clinicians who call any pattern they're looking for in their patients a "phenotype". It's a very loose use of the word, but it gets the job done for them. For *me*, I tend to mean *only* systems where the phenomen[on|a] exert[s] some kind of downward causation on the generators (mostly just setting constraints). Maybe I should start calling it the phen-gen map instead?
On 7/17/20 4:00 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> At the very end you spoke of the generator/phenomenon distinction. I bet Jon a million dollars that you did NOT mean the same thing as the genotype/phenotype distinction. So. Who's your friend, here?
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