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Re: Rich Murray added you to Clark University on Academia.edu

I gave academia.edu permission to send membership requests to every email on my Google Contacts list, over 500 I believe, after downloading a very useful 2010 13-page paper for free, and seeing how much they made available -- I felt a business that recruits highly competent members would be legitimate -- also believe you are safe as long as you withhold consent -- I did lose a computer to CyberDefender scam malware in January, by inadvertently downloading their free purported virus scam program -- a Google search later revealed that they have actually operating for years as a "legitimate" corporation with stock, while their stock has fallen from $ 3 to .45 ...

I've never seen any bad news about LinkedIn, which Friam members led me to join.

What to do?

within mutual service, Rich Murray

[hidden email]

505-819-7388

Skype audio, video rich.murray11

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Rich,

I have this uneasy feeling that you may be giving away people’s email addresses to some Evil Force. Evil or not, passing on other people’s emails without their consent is …. Um …. Not great. I am very suspicious of LinkDin and god knows what Academia.Edu is.

N

From: Rich Murray [mailto:[hidden email]=[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rich Murray
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:30 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Rich Murray added you to Clark University on Academia.edu

Hi Nick,
Rich Murray added your name to Clark University on Academia.edu, the global directory of academics and graduate students. We checked your department directory, and it looks like you are at Clark University. You are currently listed as an 'unknown' member: resolve your 'unknown' status by following one of the links below:

Yes, I am at Clark University:
http://academia.edu/Yes-Nick-Thompson--nthompson-at-clarku.edu--is-at-Clark-University

No, I am not at Clark University:
http://academia.edu/Remove-Nick-Thompson--nthompson-at-clarku.edu--from-the-Clark-University-directory

Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins, Noam Chomsky and Steven Pinker have all confirmed their membership of their departments on Academia.edu.

Thanks,
The Academia.edu Team
Academia.edu's office is at: 251 Kearny St., Suite 520, San Francisco, CA, 94108. To opt out of receiving these kinds of emails from Academia.edu, go to: http://academia.edu/optout/010003522bb39108606788c7953c8ca2

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Russ Abbott

Re: Rich Murray added you to Clark University on Academia.edu

I think academia.edu is a legitimate organization. (In fact, I joined a while ago.) The goal is create a database and network of academics. They keep track of papers you tell it about, and they keep track of the school you say you are associated with. They attempt to build a complete faculty tree for each school. It's an interesting idea, but I doubt that it will amount to much, though. Academics tend to have contacts through other sources. One interesting feature, though, is that it tells you about Google searches for you. I'm not sure what it tracks, but every once in a while I get a message from them saying that someone from country X found a paper of mine by doing a search on abc. In that sense it's a form of passive ego surfing.

-- Russ

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Rich Murray <[hidden email]> wrote:

I gave academia.edu permission to send membership requests to every email on my Google Contacts list, over 500 I believe, after downloading a very useful 2010 13-page paper for free, and seeing how much they made available -- I felt a business that recruits highly competent members would be legitimate -- also believe you are safe as long as you withhold consent -- I did lose a computer to CyberDefender scam malware in January, by inadvertently downloading their free purported virus scam program -- a Google search later revealed that they have actually operating for years as a "legitimate" corporation with stock, while their stock has fallen from $ 3 to .45 ...

I've never seen any bad news about LinkedIn, which Friam members led me to join.

What to do?

within mutual service, Rich Murray

[hidden email]
<a href="tel:505-819-7388" value="+15058197388" target="_blank">505-819-7388
Skype audio, video rich.murray11

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Rich,

I have this uneasy feeling that you may be giving away people’s email addresses to some Evil Force. Evil or not, passing on other people’s emails without their consent is …. Um …. Not great. I am very suspicious of LinkDin and god knows what Academia.Edu is.

N

From: Rich Murray [mailto:[hidden email]=[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rich Murray
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:30 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Rich Murray added you to Clark University on Academia.edu

Hi Nick,
Rich Murray added your name to Clark University on Academia.edu, the global directory of academics and graduate students. We checked your department directory, and it looks like you are at Clark University. You are currently listed as an 'unknown' member: resolve your 'unknown' status by following one of the links below:

Yes, I am at Clark University:
http://academia.edu/Yes-Nick-Thompson--nthompson-at-clarku.edu--is-at-Clark-University

No, I am not at Clark University:
http://academia.edu/Remove-Nick-Thompson--nthompson-at-clarku.edu--from-the-Clark-University-directory

Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins, Noam Chomsky and Steven Pinker have all confirmed their membership of their departments on Academia.edu.

Thanks,
The Academia.edu Team
Academia.edu's office is at: 251 Kearny St., Suite 520, San Francisco, CA, 94108. To opt out of receiving these kinds of emails from Academia.edu, go to: http://academia.edu/optout/010003522bb39108606788c7953c8ca2

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Russell Standish

Re: Rich Murray added you to Clark University on Academia.edu

All these ideas depend on network effects. And ultimately, there will
be only one winner.

So the question for any participant is - do I get in on the leading or
trailing edge? There's some slight advantage to being leading edge,
due to the rich-gets-richer effect, but there's also cost -
opportunity cost at not spending time doing research, or whatever. And
investment in network sites that sink without a trace is investment wasted.

Me - I'm a relatively trailing edge kind of guy - the benefit-cost
ratio seems much higher to me. But then who will the leading edge guys
be - possibly younger academics for who the cost is more bearable perhaps.

Cheers

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:14:00PM -0700, Russ Abbott wrote:

> I think academia.edu is a legitimate organization. (In fact, I joined a
> while ago.) The goal is create a database and network of academics. They
> keep track of papers you tell it about, and they keep track of the school
> you say you are associated with. They attempt to build a complete faculty
> tree for each school. It's an interesting idea, but I doubt that it will
> amount to much, though. Academics tend to have contacts through other
> sources. One interesting feature, though, is that it tells you about
> Google searches for you. I'm not sure what it tracks, but every once in a
> while I get a message from them saying that someone from country X found a
> paper of mine by doing a search on abc. In that sense it's a form of
> passive ego surfing.
>
> *-- Russ *
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Rich Murray <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I gave academia.edu permission to send membership requests to every email
> > on my Google Contacts list, over 500 I believe, after downloading a very
> > useful 2010 13-page paper for free, and seeing how much they made available
> > -- I felt a business that recruits highly competent members would be
> > legitimate -- also believe you are safe as long as you withhold consent -- I
> > did lose a computer to CyberDefender scam malware in January, by
> > inadvertently downloading their free purported virus scam program -- a
> > Google search later revealed that they have actually operating for years as
> > a "legitimate" corporation with stock, while their stock has fallen from $ 3
> > to .45 ...
> >
> > I've never seen any bad news about LinkedIn, which Friam members led me to
> > join.
> >
> > What to do?
> >
> > within mutual service, Rich Murray
> >
> > [hidden email]
> > 505-819-7388
> > Skype audio, video rich.murray11
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Nicholas Thompson <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> Rich, ****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> I have this uneasy feeling that you may be giving away people’s email
> >> addresses to some Evil Force. Evil or not, passing on other people’s
> >> emails without their consent is …. Um …. Not great. I am very suspicious of
> >> LinkDin and god knows what Academia.Edu is. ****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> N****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> *From:* Rich Murray [mailto:rmforall=[hidden email]] *On Behalf
> >> Of *Rich Murray
> >> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 6:30 PM
> >> *To:* [hidden email]
> >> *Subject:* Rich Murray added you to Clark University on Academia.edu****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >> [image: Description: Image removed by sender. Academia.edu]<http://academia.edu/>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> Hi Nick,****
> >>
> >> Rich Murray added your name to Clark University on Academia.edu, the
> >> global directory of academics and graduate students. We checked your
> >> department directory, and it looks like you are at Clark University. You are
> >> currently listed as an 'unknown' member: resolve your 'unknown' status by
> >> following one of the links below:****
> >>
> >> Yes, I am at Clark University:
> >>
> >> http://academia.edu/Yes-Nick-Thompson--nthompson-at-clarku.edu--is-at-Clark-University
> >> ****
> >>
> >> No, I am not at Clark University:
> >>
> >> http://academia.edu/Remove-Nick-Thompson--nthompson-at-clarku.edu--from-the-Clark-University-directory
> >> ****
> >>
> >> Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins, Noam Chomsky and Steven Pinker have all
> >> confirmed their membership of their departments on Academia.edu.****
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> The Academia.edu Team****
> >>
> >> Academia.edu's office is at: 251 Kearny St., Suite 520, San Francisco, CA,
> >> 94108. To opt out of receiving these kinds of emails from Academia.edu, go
> >> to: http://academia.edu/optout/010003522bb39108606788c7953c8ca2 ****
> >>
> >
> >
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Nick Thompson

Re: Rich Murray added you to Clark University on Academia.edu

Well, there is one possibility here....breaking the chokehold of academic publishers on communication among academics. But that would require more than somebody trying to make a little money off academics wanting to network, which is what I fear this is.

N

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Russell Standish
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:14 PM
To: [hidden email]; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Rich Murray added you to Clark University on Academia.edu

All these ideas depend on network effects. And ultimately, there will be only one winner.

So the question for any participant is - do I get in on the leading or trailing edge? There's some slight advantage to being leading edge, due to the rich-gets-richer effect, but there's also cost - opportunity cost at not spending time doing research, or whatever. And investment in network sites that sink without a trace is investment wasted.

Me - I'm a relatively trailing edge kind of guy - the benefit-cost ratio seems much higher to me. But then who will the leading edge guys be - possibly younger academics for who the cost is more bearable perhaps.

Cheers

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:14:00PM -0700, Russ Abbott wrote:

> I think academia.edu is a legitimate organization. (In fact, I joined
> a while ago.) The goal is create a database and network of academics.
> They keep track of papers you tell it about, and they keep track of
> the school you say you are associated with. They attempt to build a
> complete faculty tree for each school. It's an interesting idea, but
> I doubt that it will amount to much, though. Academics tend to have
> contacts through other sources. One interesting feature, though, is
> that it tells you about Google searches for you. I'm not sure what it
> tracks, but every once in a while I get a message from them saying
> that someone from country X found a paper of mine by doing a search on
> abc. In that sense it's a form of passive ego surfing.
>
> *-- Russ *
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Rich Murray <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I gave academia.edu permission to send membership requests to every
> > email on my Google Contacts list, over 500 I believe, after
> > downloading a very useful 2010 13-page paper for free, and seeing
> > how much they made available
> > -- I felt a business that recruits highly competent members would be
> > legitimate -- also believe you are safe as long as you withhold
> > consent -- I did lose a computer to CyberDefender scam malware in
> > January, by inadvertently downloading their free purported virus
> > scam program -- a Google search later revealed that they have
> > actually operating for years as a "legitimate" corporation with
> > stock, while their stock has fallen from $ 3 to .45 ...
> >
> > I've never seen any bad news about LinkedIn, which Friam members led
> > me to join.
> >
> > What to do?
> >
> > within mutual service, Rich Murray
> >
> > [hidden email]
> > 505-819-7388
> > Skype audio, video rich.murray11
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Nicholas Thompson <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> Rich, ****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> I have this uneasy feeling that you may be giving away people’s email
> >> addresses to some Evil Force. Evil or not, passing on other people’s
> >> emails without their consent is …. Um …. Not great. I am very
> >> suspicious of LinkDin and god knows what Academia.Edu is. ****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> N****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> *From:* Rich Murray [mailto:rmforall=[hidden email]] *On
> >> Behalf Of *Rich Murray
> >> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 6:30 PM
> >> *To:* [hidden email]
> >> *Subject:* Rich Murray added you to Clark University on
> >> Academia.edu****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >> [image: Description: Image removed by sender.
> >> Academia.edu]<http://academia.edu/>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> Hi Nick,****
> >>
> >> Rich Murray added your name to Clark University on Academia.edu,
> >> the global directory of academics and graduate students. We checked
> >> your department directory, and it looks like you are at Clark
> >> University. You are currently listed as an 'unknown' member:
> >> resolve your 'unknown' status by following one of the links
> >> below:****
> >>
> >> Yes, I am at Clark University:
> >>
> >> http://academia.edu/Yes-Nick-Thompson--nthompson-at-clarku.edu--is-
> >> at-Clark-University
> >> ****
> >>
> >> No, I am not at Clark University:
> >>
> >> http://academia.edu/Remove-Nick-Thompson--nthompson-at-clarku.edu--
> >> from-the-Clark-University-directory
> >> ****
> >>
> >> Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins, Noam Chomsky and Steven Pinker
> >> have all confirmed their membership of their departments on
> >> Academia.edu.****
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> The Academia.edu Team****
> >>
> >> Academia.edu's office is at: 251 Kearny St., Suite 520, San
> >> Francisco, CA, 94108. To opt out of receiving these kinds of emails
> >> from Academia.edu, go
> >> to: http://academia.edu/optout/010003522bb39108606788c7953c8ca2
> >> ****
> >>
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
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> > cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at
> > http://www.friam.org
> >

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> http://www.friam.org

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Eric Charles

Re: Rich Murray added you to Clark University on Academia.edu

In reply to this post by Russell Standish

Speaking as a young academic, it is no one but the old academics who keep in place the stranglehold of academic journals as the sole means of professional communication. Not the ancient academics, mind you... so Nick, you are off the hook ;- )

At this point, the only barrier to communication among academics is what counts as a line item on a CV. This is entirely at the discretion of those who sit on the committees that judge CVs (e.g., tenure and promotion committees, hiring committees, awards committees). If a communication over the web, through blogs, websites, social networks, etc. could be put on a CV and judged by its quality and contribution to the field, journals would be shut down almost overnight.

My understanding is that some disciplines have made moves in this direction, but psychology is still suspicious even of elite online journals.

Eric

P.S. My last blog post was related to agent based modeling... and I figured out how to get the RSS feed working. It is not the most elegant post, but it works, and might interest some <a href="http://fixingpsychology.blogspot.com/" onclick="window.open('http://fixingpsychology.blogspot.com/');return false;">http://fixingpsychology.blogspot.com/

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 08:46 PM, "Nicholas Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well, there is one possibility here....breaking the chokehold of academic
publishers on communication among academics.   But that would require more than
somebody trying to make a little money off academics wanting to network, which
is what I fear this is. 

N

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Russell Standish
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:14 PM
To: [hidden email]; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Rich Murray added you to Clark University on Academia.edu

All these ideas depend on network effects. And ultimately, there will be only
one winner. 

So the question for any participant is - do I get in on the leading or trailing
edge? There's some slight advantage to being leading edge, due to the
rich-gets-richer effect, but there's also cost - opportunity cost at not
spending time doing research, or whatever. And investment in network sites that
sink without a trace is investment wasted.

Me - I'm a relatively trailing edge kind of guy - the benefit-cost ratio seems
much higher to me. But then who will the leading edge guys be - possibly
younger academics for who the cost is more bearable perhaps.

Cheers

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:14:00PM -0700, Russ Abbott wrote:
> I think academia.edu is a legitimate organization. (In fact, I joined 
> a while ago.)  The goal is create a database and network of
academics.  
> They keep track of papers you tell it about, and they keep track of 
> the school you say you are associated with.  They attempt to build a 
> complete faculty tree for each school.  It's an interesting idea, but 
> I doubt that it will amount to much, though. Academics tend to have 
> contacts through other sources.  One interesting feature, though, is 
> that it tells you about Google searches for you.  I'm not sure what it 
> tracks, but every once in a while I get a message from them saying 
> that someone from country X found a paper of mine by doing a search on 
> abc.  In that sense it's a form of passive ego surfing.
> 
> *-- Russ *
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Rich Murray <[hidden email]>
wrote:
> 
> > I gave academia.edu permission to send membership requests to every 
> > email on my Google Contacts list, over 500 I believe, after 
> > downloading a very useful 2010 13-page paper for free, and seeing 
> > how much they made available
> > -- I felt a business that recruits highly competent members would be 
> > legitimate -- also believe you are safe as long as you withhold 
> > consent -- I did lose a computer to CyberDefender scam malware in 
> > January, by inadvertently downloading their free purported virus 
> > scam program -- a Google search later revealed that they have 
> > actually operating for years as a "legitimate" corporation
with 
> > stock, while their stock has fallen from $ 3 to .45 ...
> >
> > I've never seen any bad news about LinkedIn, which Friam members led 
> > me to join.
> >
> > What to do?
> >
> > within mutual service,   Rich Murray
> >
> > [hidden email]
> > 505-819-7388
> > Skype audio, video rich.murray11
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Nicholas Thompson < 
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Rich, ****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > I have this uneasy feeling that you may be giving away people’s
email
> > addresses to some Evil Force.   Evil or not, passing on other 
people’s
> > emails without their consent is …. Um …. Not great.  I am very 
> > suspicious of LinkDin and god knows what  Academia.Edu is.  ****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > N****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > *From:* Rich Murray [mailto:rmforall=[hidden email]] *On 
> > Behalf Of *Rich Murray
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 6:30 PM
> > *To:* [hidden email]
> > *Subject:* Rich Murray added you to Clark University on 
> > Academia.edu****
> >
> > ** **
> > [image: Description: Image removed by sender. 
> > Academia.edu]<http://academia.edu/>
> > ****
> >
> > Hi Nick,****
> >
> > Rich Murray added your name to Clark University on Academia.edu, 
> > the global directory of academics and graduate students. We checked 
> > your department directory, and it looks like you are at Clark 
> > University. You are currently listed as an 'unknown' member: 
> > resolve your 'unknown' status by following one of the links 
> > below:****
> >
> > Yes, I am at Clark University:
> >
> > http://academia.edu/Yes-Nick-Thompson--nthompson-at-clarku.edu--is-
> > at-Clark-University
> > ****
> >
> > No, I am not at Clark University:
> >
> > http://academia.edu/Remove-Nick-Thompson--nthompson-at-clarku.edu--
> > from-the-Clark-University-directory
> > ****
> >
> > Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins, Noam Chomsky and Steven Pinker 
> > have all confirmed their membership of their departments on 
> > Academia.edu.****
> >
> > Thanks,
> > The Academia.edu Team****
> >
> > Academia.edu's office is at: 251 Kearny St., Suite 520, San 
> > Francisco, CA, 94108. To opt out of receiving these kinds of emails 
> > from Academia.edu, go
> > to: http://academia.edu/optout/010003522bb39108606788c7953c8ca2 
> > ****
> >
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
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> > cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at 
> > http://www.friam.org
> >



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Eric Charles

Professional Student and
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Penn State University
Altoona, PA 16601