Re: PROGRESS; Used to be: We'll be taking gentle, leisurely cruises to the Moon on Ni fusion hot H2 filled high altitude airships, 4 km wide...: Rich Murray 2011.01.19

[Nick Thompson]

Rich,

Your faith in progress brings tears to my eyes.  I don't think the world is
one ounce better than it was when I was a kid.  It is DIFFERENT, but we have
given up at least as much as we have gained.  Nor do I expect it to be any
better in a hundred years.  Thus, the sole rational defense of the neophilia
that characterizes FRIAM is that new stuff is FUN!  In making a decision to
seek out new stuff or not, it cannot be evaluated by lofty ideals,  but
simply balanced against other forms of FUN!  

I am not sure where this leaves me for a defense of higher education.  It
used to be defensible on the ground that it was a place where you could tuck
away smart people so they couldn't get their hands on political power,
social influence, money, or things that explode.   Now even that has gone
away.

[sigh}

Nick


Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
http://www.cusf.org





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We'll be taking gentle, leisurely cruises to the Moon on Ni fusion hot
H2 filled high altitude airships,4 km wide...: Rich Murray 2011.01.19

The thoughts and understandings we share uniquely express and serve the
global human awareness that is now self-liberating exponentally -- as we
serfs soul surf adventurously each magical day, we reflect wonderful
blessings into single creative fractal hyperinfinity.

We volunteer to evolve quickly beyond previous levels of experience and
thought, accepting help, giving help generously, transcending our personal
pasts, moving quickly, travelling lightly, dancing resiliently with each
hour's destiny, inwardly silent, happy, surprised

From midnight to 2 am, I savored 3 far-out, warm-hearted music videos on
WingMakers.com -- the first site I've found that offers a venue for sharing
meditative play -- soon this Net based collaboration will be intense and
vivid mass media real-time meditation

Andrea Rossi has 197 posts from all the world on his HNi fusion blog
-- that focuses a lot of thought and blessing

The [hidden email] posts are suddenly much more alive, fresh, potent

And I find myself reading only a few from the SethMessageBoard and
ARequiredCourse , while reading ACIM and Brent Haskell for hours this
morning with a new level of resonance and pleasure

Hey, it's great, being sixty-eight !

We'll be taking gentle, leisurely cruises to the Moon on Ni fusion hot
H2 filled high altitude airships, 2 km wide, shielded from cosmic rays by
being in the middle of the H2 gases, cavorting and meditating in free fall
with hundreds inside huge balls that image 3D views of every level of
reality and art with cosmic music to match -- we'll learn multidimensional
geometry by taking classes together inside the displays -- that's what Friam
and SF Complex will evolve into...

Rich Murray

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[Rich Murray-2]

Well, all size fractal entities within single creative fractal
hyperinfinity share the same order of creativity and power as All, ie,
"Let there be light..." (said Light), so, actually I am not hoping --
but commanding.

I command probable future with juicy pleasure and vivid imagination
for the pleasure and cocreative collaborative pleasure and mutual
generosity of all within All --

you see, the first Mandelbrot Set, for all its infinite splendor, has
so far been imagined as static, yet a minute exploration of its
infinity, the same order of infinity as the continuum set of all real
numbers, involves huge yet finite repetitive recursive sequences of
calculations, which can never exhaust or corral the details of any
infinitesimal part of it, as each part has the same order of infinity
as the whole -- so the exploration of the "simultaneous" infinity of
the whole allows untold infinities of paths of ever deepening
repetitive recursive sequences of calculations, like rivers of "time",
mathematic chains of "causes" and "effects" --

you see, here, a simple meta-model for the "simultaneous" unity of
All, which is helplessly open to allow infinities of time-like
histories to evolve, like "Nick" and "Rich" within a certain Big Bang
self-expanding vibrating geometry bubble, which our techno shamen are
forced to view in terms of at least 10 space dimensions and 1 time
dimension, to explain the vagarities of self-directing forever
temporarily evolving multidimensional entities, aforesaid "Nick" and
"Rich", free to play in any way by arbitrary self-command -- however,
crash and burn feedback eventually results in more advanced
self-control decisions to accept help and guidance from, oh, happier
level thinga-enigma-me's...

So, this is poetry --

I said in summer, 1976, in Los Alamos after a pretty good toke,
" From above and behind on the right,
Infinite dimensions rush,
Like marshmellows
Into a brown paper bag --
But,
No matter how full of marshmellows
The bag is,
You are not the bag.

Reader,
Please,
Ponder this,
For, if you are amused,
You will be free of all evils...

yes, FUN! is in deed the way...
Fun! da mental...

yes, we academics are sit-down comics...

hopelessly Rich


On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Nicholas  Thompson
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Rich,
>
> Your faith in progress brings tears to my eyes.  I don't think the world is
> one ounce better than it was when I was a kid.  It is DIFFERENT, but we have
> given up at least as much as we have gained.  Nor do I expect it to be any
> better in a hundred years.  Thus, the sole rational defense of the neophilia
> that characterizes FRIAM is that new stuff is FUN!  In making a decision to
> seek out new stuff or not, it cannot be evaluated by lofty ideals,  but
> simply balanced against other forms of FUN!
>
> I am not sure where this leaves me for a defense of higher education.  It
> used to be defensible on the ground that it was a place where you could tuck
> away smart people so they couldn't get their hands on political power,
> social influence, money, or things that explode.   Now even that has gone
> away.
>
> [sigh}
>
> Nick
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
> http://www.cusf.org

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