Re: Fwd: Archangel Michael's Message For You
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Yes, I think this "savior" narrative was why this particular one was interesting. There are a spate of articles talking about how our modern tech isolates us more than it connects us, or how outrage clickbait gives a dopamine rush and such, or how the incels and the alt-right bois are disaffected and radicalized through their isolation. In such a cultural context, it seems reasonable that messages like this (including newage BS like "the law of attraction") might hit a vulnerable spot similar to what Nick mentions.
The mechanisms/exploits Marcus mentions in PDF files parsed by Acrobat Reader, macro-laden Office or obfuscated JavaScript, including the tracking pixels mentioned by Eric and Steve are much less interesting to me ... maybe because I understand those tools. I definitely do NOT understand the position someone would have to be in to click something thinking there's any kind of hopeful, life-changing, message or secret at the other end of the link. It's that psychological "exploit" that's most interesting to me. It's just like the Nigerian scam, only instead of targeting lazy, greedy, get-rich-quick suckers, they target lazy, lonely, get-relationships-easy suckers. My intuition hints at some loss of empathy, some kind of objectification of others ... e.g. that one might see all the pretty people on instagram always having fun, never slumped in fits of depression, and thinking how cool the lives of those objectified non-people must be. I caught a snippet of a conversation on NPR where the person suggested that empathizing enough with animals so that *eating* them might feel a bit like cannibalism may *foster* empathy with other humans, over and above that with animals. ... like empathy is a muscle that atrophies if not exercised. My guess is that the person who might click on the Archangel Michael links is just such an isolated Gollum, who feels like their life is hopeless and the world is cruel ... always hunting for that get-happy-quick Precious that must be out there somewhere, if only they could find it. On 8/17/19 9:30 AM, Pietro Terna wrote: > What is very interesting for me is that the "Archangel Michael's Message For You" > text reproduces a quite archaic format used in Italy, but I guess not only, for > handwritten messages diffused by old mail. > E.g. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catena_di_sant%27Antonio > > The format always quotes one or more relatives or fiends by name etc. having received > benefits and requires prayers etc. > > Very interesting this form of modern survival. -- ☣ uǝlƃ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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Re: Fwd: Archangel Michael's Message For You
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... like empathy is a muscle that atrophies if not exercised And which is made possible by universal suffering according to Colbert and Cooper. Has anyone seen that video I linked? Frank ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Mon, Aug 19, 2019, 11:56 AM uǝlƃ ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote: Yes, I think this "savior" narrative was why this particular one was interesting. There are a spate of articles talking about how our modern tech isolates us more than it connects us, or how outrage clickbait gives a dopamine rush and such, or how the incels and the alt-right bois are disaffected and radicalized through their isolation. In such a cultural context, it seems reasonable that messages like this (including newage BS like "the law of attraction") might hit a vulnerable spot similar to what Nick mentions. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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I did, Frank, and you should check out Trevor Noah, who the generations behind us listen to and who does an even better job than Colbert and Cooper. On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 12:46 PM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Thanks, Merle. I shall. ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Mon, Aug 19, 2019, 12:50 PM Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I watched the interview. But it was a different link (40 min instead of 38). I don't think my reaction was similar to yours. I already believed they're both deep people. But their references to Jesus and fideism really put me off. And I didn't much like the couple of times Cooper attempted to finish Colbert's sentence, but failed, and the mismatch was ignored. I did like the inherent difference of opinion between the relevance or existence of "parallel world Cooper" or "parallel world Colbert". And, of course, it's fantastic to see men who can express some emotion, even though it was a shame that Cooper tried to "man up" and swallow it.
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 12:46 PM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > ... like empathy is a muscle that atrophies if not exercised > > And which is made possible by universal suffering according to Colbert and Cooper. Has anyone seen that video I linked? -- ☣ uǝlƃ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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hacking the Socionome was: Archangel Michael's Message For You
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It feels like (on the surface) that we are living in a time where
a new level of evolution is occurring... if there is
(metaphorically) anything such as a "Socionome", it feels like we
are watching it being hacked right before our eyes. In my childhood, it seems like occasionally a "chain letter" would come around, threatening/admonishing/promising the recipient if THEY didn't make 10 copies and send it forward to 10 new people (threats/promises intact). Some even were Ponzi schemes promising that if you sent $1 to the person at the top of a list, strike them off the list, and add your own to the bottom, and outlining the arithmetic that would turn your $1 into $1X10^10 in only 10 remailings. Of course nobody I knew ever actually received even $1 much less 10 trillion envelopes with $1 in them (imagine what that would do to your mailman/PO?). I can't find the attribution of the phrase: "the best mark is a
con man" in the spirit of Barnum's "there is a sucker born every
minute". This suggests that the mark is in some fundamentally
way "complicit" by being greedy (or paranoid?). This observation
would seem to spill over into the "mobocracy" that our presumed
"democracy" seems to have devolved to. Traditionally Liberals
play to variations on greed (variations on free lunch programs)
while Conservatives play on fear (lawNorder, Xenophobia, etc.).
The Internet has changed scales in time, space, and network
distance. A "meme" travels at the speed of twitter now... even a
few years ago it was more at the speed of e-mail (mean time to
reading from hours or even days to seconds?) and can therefore
mutate and spread MUCH faster. The focus on overt engineering by forces such as the presumed
"Russians" is often hackneyed and malconcieved but nevertheless
probably accurate in general form. But this just makes me
painfully aware of the role of Propoganda (political or
commercial) going WAAAYYY back. While it feels that there is no
more than a "scale change" here, when quantitative (space, time)
scales pass certain thresholds, then there are qualitative
shifts. With the youth (say "millenials" for example) being entirely
steeped in these new scales and assumptions, they very likely
think quite a bit differently than X,Y,Boom,Greatest do... at
perhaps a *deep level*. Their assumptions about how big their
social circles are (number of friends, geographic and ethnographic
distribution, etc). I feel like the current paradigm is roughly that of Epidemiology (i.e. memes) and "hacking" (the Socionome)... with Trumpianism, for example, recently *raging* through the susceptible population. Some of the more charismatic characters on the left have started somewhat *smaller* but hopefully more deeply motivated "infections". AOC & Green New Deal, Bernie and Democratic Socialism, etc. are prominent examples. - Steve
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Re: Fwd: Archangel Michael's Message For You
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Merle - I am fairly new to the nighttime talk shows... I certainly saw a few handfuls of Carsons and Lettermans over the decades but about 3 years ago I started watching Colbert (nearly) nightly and then began to spill over on the other News-as-Comedy characters. You mention Trevor Noah, and I have truly come to appreciate him, but he was a bit of an acquired taste. My 21 year old nephew insists that John Oliver is the "go to" for his generation. It may just be his "circle". I truly appreciate how these folks who are (all?) comedians first can be as astute as they are about social and political issues. They often fall short (IMO) on deeper economic or foreign policy or ??? issues, but they seem to be *at least* as informed and thoughtful as the average college educated professional, and *often* much more in touch with the "unwashed masses". I almost completely missed the John Stewart ascendency, even
though he was "in the water"... most of my knowledge of him and
his role was second hand at best. I find Bill Mahr a (mostly) refreshing alternative with his (nearly) Libertarian perspective. His blunt flipness reminds me a bit too much of Dennis Miller who *seemed* so wonderfully aware and thoughtful behind his snark... but his flip over into near-radical Conservatism was a shock (in response to 9-11?). - Steve On 8/19/19 12:49 PM, Merle Lefkoff
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Good analysis, Glen. For those who didn't watch it, the "parallel world" comments had to do with feelings both had after major tragedies in their lives around age 10. Both of their fathers died and, in Cooper's case, two of his older brothers died in the accident with their father. Both felt new, major responsibilities relative to their mothers. They both report feeling like a different persons post tragedy and wonder how the the earlier versions of themselves would have developed if the deaths hadn't occurred. ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Mon, Aug 19, 2019, 1:01 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote: I watched the interview. But it was a different link (40 min instead of 38). I don't think my reaction was similar to yours. I already believed they're both deep people. But their references to Jesus and fideism really put me off. And I didn't much like the couple of times Cooper attempted to finish Colbert's sentence, but failed, and the mismatch was ignored. I did like the inherent difference of opinion between the relevance or existence of "parallel world Cooper" or "parallel world Colbert". And, of course, it's fantastic to see men who can express some emotion, even though it was a shame that Cooper tried to "man up" and swallow it. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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