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Nick Thompson

Re: Friam Digest, Vol 62, Issue 6

Shall we "noodle" these?

i.e., build a "community" book review of them?????

I will open up a page for them in the at
www.sfcomplex.org/wiki/ComplexityNoodlersCorner.

Nick (NothingIfNotRelentless) Thompson

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University ([hidden email])

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> From: Carl Tollander <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [FRIAM] Bais talk and books?
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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> After 3 days of 100 degree heat in Omaha with no AC, I returned to the
> blessed mild weather of Santa Fe Monday somewhat depleted, but felt I
> must go to the Sander Bais talk at SFI
> (http://www.santafe.edu/events/abstract/1373) since I thought it might
> have something to do with Topological Quantum Field Theory that I
> fancied that I almost understood via the Baez essays.
>
> I was fortunately (hoo boy!) wrong, this is different and may be much
> related to my questions about observers, but I came away very motivated
> by the clarity of the talk to peruse his books on quantum computing,
> which were highly recommended by Those In The Know (you know who you
> are) as being popular books that are highly non-pandering ( see
> http://tinyurl.com/5q25so ). Anybody else motivated to make sense of
> these and if so, which one?
>
> commas are for all,
> C.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:42:49 -0600
> From: Don Begley <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: Whiskey's for Drinking
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <[hidden email]>
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> A double-header tomorrow night guaranteed to hit both cerebral
> hemispheres. <g>
>
> -d-
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
>
> Whiskey's for Drinking,
> Missoula Oblongata's for
> Original Theatre
>
> Double program tomorrow night, August 5
> Starts at 6:00 pm at 632 Agua Fria St. ? Admission is free.
>
>
> July 29, 2008
> For more information, contact Don Begley at 505/216.7562 or visit
> sfcomplex.org
> Santa Fe Complex is a nonprofit, community studio creating connections
> in science, technology and art. Our studio stands on three core
> activities:
>
> Collaboration to address real-world problems, encourage cooperation
> and create economic opportunities in applied complexity, urban
> planning and simulation, and computational arts.
>
> Communication with local, national and international communities about
> our work in Santa Fe and elsewhere. Whether it's a live feed or
> published reports, we broadcast our work - and the role Santa Fe plays
> in this important effort - to all interested parties.
>
> Education through the principle of learning-by-doing in active
> projects that lets students be part of, and contribute to, their
> project team. We offer formal classes, scientific and technology
> lectures, and internships.
> Quick Links
> our blog
> events calendar
>
> Support the Complex
> Support Santa Fe Complex
> Click here for info
>
> Taos Acequias Lead Double Feature at the Complex
>
>
> The acequias of Northern New Mexico create a rich network of physical
> and social features that extends back through the history of Spanish
> New Mexico to the Moors of North Africa and the Native Americans who
> independently conceived of moving water through the communal
> irrigation systems that survive today. They also create a complex
> system with local agents (parciantes) creating demand for its
> services, external forces (precipitation and economic development,
> among others) creating limits on the system, and control points
> (topography and mayordomos) that influence its operation.
>
> Michael Cox joins this blender to report on his doctoral work with the
> acequia systems of Taos county. He will be joined by John Paul
> Gonzales, a Santa Fe Complex intern and student at Santa Fe Community
> College. John Paul will describe work he is doing to map the La
> Cienega area. Michael will describe his research in Taos County and
> present an interactive model of the acequia network there.
>
> Article Headline
> Missoula Oblongata is coming, Meow Wolf is moving, the Process held
> firm and Santa Fe Complex is ready.
>
> The three-person theater company's visit was in danger when Meow Wolf
> had to move. Christian Hagy of The Process stepped in to sponsor the
> show, turning to Santa Fe Complex for a venue at Meow Wolf's suggestion.
>
> Thanks to their work and Missoula Oblongata's support, the show goes
> on. They'll alight in Santa Fe Wednesday night, August 5, after its
> Monday night show in Ft. Worth and before moving on to Phoenix,
> Tucson, LA, San Francisco and points beyond. Long-time friends Donna
> Sellinger, Madeline ffitch and Sarah Lowry are the core of the
> company, which travels light to perform in any venue with electricity
> and space. St. Louis Magazine says they have the "romance of
> vaudeville, the adrenaline of punk, and the playfulness of the
> Children's Television Workshop;" thanks to the efforts of many
> supporters, Santa Fe will get a chance to taste this eclectic mixture.
>
> The performance is free though contributions to support the tour will
> be accepted. It begins approximately one hour after the acequia
> blender. For more information, visit:
> Santa Fe Complex, Meow Wolf or Missoula Oblongata
> On tap at the complex . . .
> August 8: Unruly Data Makes for a Bad Hair Day
> Traditional structured database tools are limiting because they
> require pre-defined structures and fields. Chris Feola, president of
> xextPression and named one of the 50 most influential people in new
> media by Online Journalism Review, describes the ins-and-outs of
> information overload in the computer culture. In particular, he will
> discuss imposing order of data to extract meaningful information from
> it. Light refreshments will be provided. Admission is free but
> donations to defray costs are appreciated. More information is
> available here.
>
> Woody Vasulka Offers a Retrospective
> Pioneering digital artist Woody Vasulka brings a retrospective
> exhibit and three work sessions to the complex in August and
> September. His show opens on Wednesday, August 13; his workshops will
> follow through the next month. Details will be posted on the complex
> website in the next few days.
> Sharpening the Artistic Vision
>
>
> All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best, or so
> said William Oakham back in the 14th century. Somehow, that became
> Occam's Razor and set the standard for evaluating scientific
> explanations and theories.
>
> Albert Einstein saw the risk of excessive simplicity, though, and
> countered by saying, "Things should be as simple as possible but not
> simpler."
>
> What does that have to do with Santa Fe Complex's first juried art
> show? It's up to the artists, who can explain their ideas here. We'll
> be happy with a cabinet of curiosities, a science fair, an art
> exposition, and a three-ring circus of brilliant and fun
> interpretations of the wisdom of Messrs. Oakham and Einstein. For more
> information, click here. Entry concepts are due September 2; the
> opening date is October 18.
> Come Visit Us
>
> Santa Fe Complex is located next to the Railyard Art District and
> within walking distance of the hotels, restaurants and shops at the
> plaza downtown. We're housed in two facilities, the conference area at
> 624 Agua Fria and the project space at 632 Agua Fria.
>
> The conference area contains meeting rooms and facilities for short-
> term use associated with on-going complex projects. The project space
> houses the great room, where we hold events and offer working
> facilities for laptop users, coffee lounge and work carrels.
>
> While there is parking at 624 Agua Fria, the Romero Street parking lot
> is more conveniently located for the 632 facility. Romero St. is an
> old-style Santa Fe ox-cart road just east of the 624 driveway. Follow
> it until it opens up to two lanes and turn hard right into the parking
> lot for 632.
>
> Here's a map to our location, a representative shot showing the
> Railyard District and a sketchup drawing of the facility at 632. For
> more information, call 505/216.7562 or click here.
>
> Don Begley
> Managing Director
> Santa Fe Complex
> 624 Agua Fria St
> Santa Fe, NM 87501
>
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> From: "Marcus G. Daniels" <[hidden email]>
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> Carl Tollander wrote:
> > I was fortunately (hoo boy!) wrong, this is different and may be much
> > related to my questions about observers, but I came away very motivated
> > by the clarity of the talk to peruse his books on quantum computing,
> > which were highly recommended by Those In The Know (you know who you
> > are) as being popular books that are highly non-pandering ( see
> > http://tinyurl.com/5q25so ). Anybody else motivated to make sense of
> > these and if so, which one?
> >
> He seems to have two books, "The equations: Icons of Knowledge" and
> "Very Special Relativity".
> But what about quantum computing? I see this sort of survey article
> he wrote with Doyne Farmer
> http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0708.2837 that gets into quantum computation
> about half way through.
>
> ..and the full list of arXiv articles here
> http://xxx.lanl.gov/find/grp_physics/1/au:+bais/0/1/0/all/0/1
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:32:33 -0600
> From: Carl Tollander <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Bais talk and books?
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <[hidden email]>
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> M, thanks for the additional links. There was a lot of mention in his
> talk of the non-abelian anyons, which I can almost get, but I think I
> need a gentler intro, so I'm likely gonna go with the Very Special
> Relativity book given that its more recent and also the rep of the EPR
> paper as one of the foundations of quantum computing, unless anybody
> comes up with a better idea. The books are relatively cheap; we can
> afford to be wrong.
>
> Lot of stuff in there that feels like quaternions, which we were
> familiar with in the old VR days for interpolating 3D graphics, though I
> may be mistaken. It also got me to go back and blow the dust off of
> the Tristan Needham book.
>
> C.
>
> Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
> > Carl Tollander wrote:
> >
> >> I was fortunately (hoo boy!) wrong, this is different and may be much
> >> related to my questions about observers, but I came away very

motivated

> >> by the clarity of the talk to peruse his books on quantum computing,
> >> which were highly recommended by Those In The Know (you know who you
> >> are) as being popular books that are highly non-pandering ( see
> >> http://tinyurl.com/5q25so ). Anybody else motivated to make sense of
> >> these and if so, which one?
> >>
> >>
> > He seems to have two books, "The equations: Icons of Knowledge" and
> > "Very Special Relativity".
> > But what about quantum computing? I see this sort of survey article
> > he wrote with Doyne Farmer
> > http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0708.2837 that gets into quantum computation
> > about half way through.
> >
> > ..and the full list of arXiv articles here
> > http://xxx.lanl.gov/find/grp_physics/1/au:+bais/0/1/0/all/0/1
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:48:35 -0600
> From: Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Bais talk and books?
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <[hidden email]>
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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>
> I have Kim Sorvig's copy of The Equations. Fascinating stunt:
> introduces the concepts of what several parts of equations are:
> derivative, integral, differential equation, ...
>
> The did this to dispel the idea that equations reduce the readership
> of books. So its sorta how to read equations: the change in this
> thingy plus the exponent of that thingy, summed over this range is
> really the energy of the system .. sort of thing.
>
> Innovative book design as well, very small book, very elegantly put
> together.
>
> I sent off for the relativity book so by friday we can browse them both.
>
> -- Owen
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
>
> > Carl Tollander wrote:
> >> I was fortunately (hoo boy!) wrong, this is different and may be much
> >> related to my questions about observers, but I came away very
> >> motivated
> >> by the clarity of the talk to peruse his books on quantum computing,
> >> which were highly recommended by Those In The Know (you know who you
> >> are) as being popular books that are highly non-pandering ( see
> >> http://tinyurl.com/5q25so ). Anybody else motivated to make sense of
> >> these and if so, which one?
> >>
> > He seems to have two books, "The equations: Icons of Knowledge" and
> > "Very Special Relativity".
> > But what about quantum computing? I see this sort of survey
> > article
> > he wrote with Doyne Farmer
> > http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0708.2837 that gets into quantum computation
> > about half way through.
> >
> > ..and the full list of arXiv articles here
> > http://xxx.lanl.gov/find/grp_physics/1/au:+bais/0/1/0/all/0/1
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
>
>
>
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Don Begley

Re: Friam Digest, Vol 62, Issue 6

The wiki is sick. Hopefully, it will get better soon.

-d-

On Aug 6, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Shall we "noodle" these?

i.e., build a "community" book review of them?????

I will open up a page for them in the at
www.sfcomplex.org/wiki/ComplexityNoodlersCorner.

Nick (NothingIfNotRelentless) Thompson

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University ([hidden email])

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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:59:47 -0600
> From: Carl Tollander <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [FRIAM] Bais talk and books?
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <[hidden email]>
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> After 3 days of 100 degree heat in Omaha with no AC, I returned to the
> blessed mild weather of Santa Fe Monday somewhat depleted, but felt I
> must go to the Sander Bais talk at SFI
> (http://www.santafe.edu/events/abstract/1373) since I thought it might
> have something to do with Topological Quantum Field Theory that I
> fancied that I almost understood via the Baez essays.
>
> I was fortunately (hoo boy!) wrong, this is different and may be much
> related to my questions about observers, but I came away very
> motivated
> by the clarity of the talk to peruse his books on quantum computing,
> which were highly recommended by Those In The Know (you know who you
> are) as being popular books that are highly non-pandering ( see
> http://tinyurl.com/5q25so ). Anybody else motivated to make sense of
> these and if so, which one?
>
> commas are for all,
> C.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:42:49 -0600
> From: Don Begley <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: Whiskey's for Drinking
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <[hidden email]>
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> A double-header tomorrow night guaranteed to hit both cerebral
> hemispheres. <g>
>
> -d-
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
>
> Whiskey's for Drinking,
> Missoula Oblongata's for
> Original Theatre
>
> Double program tomorrow night, August 5
> Starts at 6:00 pm at 632 Agua Fria St. ? Admission is free.
>
>
> July 29, 2008
> For more information, contact Don Begley at 505/216.7562 or visit
> sfcomplex.org
> Santa Fe Complex is a nonprofit, community studio creating connections
> in science, technology and art. Our studio stands on three core
> activities:
>
> Collaboration to address real-world problems, encourage cooperation
> and create economic opportunities in applied complexity, urban
> planning and simulation, and computational arts.
>
> Communication with local, national and international communities about
> our work in Santa Fe and elsewhere. Whether it's a live feed or
> published reports, we broadcast our work - and the role Santa Fe plays
> in this important effort - to all interested parties.
>
> Education through the principle of learning-by-doing in active
> projects that lets students be part of, and contribute to, their
> project team. We offer formal classes, scientific and technology
> lectures, and internships.
> Quick Links
> our blog
> events calendar
>
> Support the Complex
> Support Santa Fe Complex
> Click here for info
>
> Taos Acequias Lead Double Feature at the Complex
>
>
> The acequias of Northern New Mexico create a rich network of physical
> and social features that extends back through the history of Spanish
> New Mexico to the Moors of North Africa and the Native Americans who
> independently conceived of moving water through the communal
> irrigation systems that survive today. They also create a complex
> system with local agents (parciantes) creating demand for its
> services, external forces (precipitation and economic development,
> among others) creating limits on the system, and control points
> (topography and mayordomos) that influence its operation.
>
> Michael Cox joins this blender to report on his doctoral work with the
> acequia systems of Taos county. He will be joined by John Paul
> Gonzales, a Santa Fe Complex intern and student at Santa Fe Community
> College. John Paul will describe work he is doing to map the La
> Cienega area. Michael will describe his research in Taos County and
> present an interactive model of the acequia network there.
>
> Article Headline
> Missoula Oblongata is coming, Meow Wolf is moving, the Process held
> firm and Santa Fe Complex is ready.
>
> The three-person theater company's visit was in danger when Meow Wolf
> had to move. Christian Hagy of The Process stepped in to sponsor the
> show, turning to Santa Fe Complex for a venue at Meow Wolf's
> suggestion.
>
> Thanks to their work and Missoula Oblongata's support, the show goes
> on. They'll alight in Santa Fe Wednesday night, August 5, after its
> Monday night show in Ft. Worth and before moving on to Phoenix,
> Tucson, LA, San Francisco and points beyond. Long-time friends Donna
> Sellinger, Madeline ffitch and Sarah Lowry are the core of the
> company, which travels light to perform in any venue with electricity
> and space. St. Louis Magazine says they have the "romance of
> vaudeville, the adrenaline of punk, and the playfulness of the
> Children's Television Workshop;" thanks to the efforts of many
> supporters, Santa Fe will get a chance to taste this eclectic mixture.
>
> The performance is free though contributions to support the tour will
> be accepted. It begins approximately one hour after the acequia
> blender. For more information, visit:
> Santa Fe Complex, Meow Wolf or Missoula Oblongata
> On tap at the complex . . .
> August 8: Unruly Data Makes for a Bad Hair Day
> Traditional structured database tools are limiting because they
> require pre-defined structures and fields. Chris Feola, president of
> xextPression and named one of the 50 most influential people in new
> media by Online Journalism Review, describes the ins-and-outs of
> information overload in the computer culture. In particular, he will
> discuss imposing order of data to extract meaningful information from
> it. Light refreshments will be provided. Admission is free but
> donations to defray costs are appreciated. More information is
> available here.
>
> Woody Vasulka Offers a Retrospective
> Pioneering digital artist Woody Vasulka brings a retrospective
> exhibit and three work sessions to the complex in August and
> September. His show opens on Wednesday, August 13; his workshops will
> follow through the next month. Details will be posted on the complex
> website in the next few days.
> Sharpening the Artistic Vision
>
>
> All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best, or so
> said William Oakham back in the 14th century. Somehow, that became
> Occam's Razor and set the standard for evaluating scientific
> explanations and theories.
>
> Albert Einstein saw the risk of excessive simplicity, though, and
> countered by saying, "Things should be as simple as possible but not
> simpler."
>
> What does that have to do with Santa Fe Complex's first juried art
> show? It's up to the artists, who can explain their ideas here. We'll
> be happy with a cabinet of curiosities, a science fair, an art
> exposition, and a three-ring circus of brilliant and fun
> interpretations of the wisdom of Messrs. Oakham and Einstein. For more
> information, click here. Entry concepts are due September 2; the
> opening date is October 18.
> Come Visit Us
>
> Santa Fe Complex is located next to the Railyard Art District and
> within walking distance of the hotels, restaurants and shops at the
> plaza downtown. We're housed in two facilities, the conference area at
> 624 Agua Fria and the project space at 632 Agua Fria.
>
> The conference area contains meeting rooms and facilities for short-
> term use associated with on-going complex projects. The project space
> houses the great room, where we hold events and offer working
> facilities for laptop users, coffee lounge and work carrels.
>
> While there is parking at 624 Agua Fria, the Romero Street parking lot
> is more conveniently located for the 632 facility. Romero St. is an
> old-style Santa Fe ox-cart road just east of the 624 driveway. Follow
> it until it opens up to two lanes and turn hard right into the parking
> lot for 632.
>
> Here's a map to our location, a representative shot showing the
> Railyard District and a sketchup drawing of the facility at 632. For
> more information, call 505/216.7562 or click here.
>
> Don Begley
> Managing Director
> Santa Fe Complex
> 624 Agua Fria St
> Santa Fe, NM 87501
>
> Forward email
>
> This email was sent to [hidden email] by [hidden email].
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> From: "Marcus G. Daniels" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Bais talk and books?
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> <[hidden email]>
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> Carl Tollander wrote:
>> I was fortunately (hoo boy!) wrong, this is different and may be much
>> related to my questions about observers, but I came away very
>> motivated
>> by the clarity of the talk to peruse his books on quantum computing,
>> which were highly recommended by Those In The Know (you know who you
>> are) as being popular books that are highly non-pandering ( see
>> http://tinyurl.com/5q25so ). Anybody else motivated to make sense of
>> these and if so, which one?
>>
> He seems to have two books, "The equations: Icons of Knowledge" and
> "Very Special Relativity".
> But what about quantum computing? I see this sort of survey
> article
> he wrote with Doyne Farmer
> http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0708.2837 that gets into quantum computation
> about half way through.
>
> ..and the full list of arXiv articles here
> http://xxx.lanl.gov/find/grp_physics/1/au:+bais/0/1/0/all/0/1
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:32:33 -0600
> From: Carl Tollander <[hidden email]>
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> M, thanks for the additional links. There was a lot of mention in his
> talk of the non-abelian anyons, which I can almost get, but I think I
> need a gentler intro, so I'm likely gonna go with the Very Special
> Relativity book given that its more recent and also the rep of the EPR
> paper as one of the foundations of quantum computing, unless anybody
> comes up with a better idea. The books are relatively cheap; we can
> afford to be wrong.
>
> Lot of stuff in there that feels like quaternions, which we were
> familiar with in the old VR days for interpolating 3D graphics,
> though I
> may be mistaken. It also got me to go back and blow the dust off of
> the Tristan Needham book.
>
> C.
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> Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
>> Carl Tollander wrote:
>>
>>> I was fortunately (hoo boy!) wrong, this is different and may be
>>> much
>>> related to my questions about observers, but I came away very

motivated

>>> by the clarity of the talk to peruse his books on quantum computing,
>>> which were highly recommended by Those In The Know (you know who you
>>> are) as being popular books that are highly non-pandering ( see
>>> http://tinyurl.com/5q25so ). Anybody else motivated to make sense
>>> of
>>> these and if so, which one?
>>>
>>>
>> He seems to have two books, "The equations: Icons of Knowledge" and
>> "Very Special Relativity".
>> But what about quantum computing? I see this sort of survey
>> article
>> he wrote with Doyne Farmer
>> http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0708.2837 that gets into quantum computation
>> about half way through.
>>
>> ..and the full list of arXiv articles here
>> http://xxx.lanl.gov/find/grp_physics/1/au:+bais/0/1/0/all/0/1
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> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:48:35 -0600
> From: Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Bais talk and books?
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> I have Kim Sorvig's copy of The Equations. Fascinating stunt:
> introduces the concepts of what several parts of equations are:
> derivative, integral, differential equation, ...
>
> The did this to dispel the idea that equations reduce the readership
> of books. So its sorta how to read equations: the change in this
> thingy plus the exponent of that thingy, summed over this range is
> really the energy of the system .. sort of thing.
>
> Innovative book design as well, very small book, very elegantly put
> together.
>
> I sent off for the relativity book so by friday we can browse them
> both.
>
> -- Owen
>
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> On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
>
>> Carl Tollander wrote:
>>> I was fortunately (hoo boy!) wrong, this is different and may be
>>> much
>>> related to my questions about observers, but I came away very
>>> motivated
>>> by the clarity of the talk to peruse his books on quantum computing,
>>> which were highly recommended by Those In The Know (you know who you
>>> are) as being popular books that are highly non-pandering ( see
>>> http://tinyurl.com/5q25so ). Anybody else motivated to make sense
>>> of
>>> these and if so, which one?
>>>
>> He seems to have two books, "The equations: Icons of Knowledge" and
>> "Very Special Relativity".
>> But what about quantum computing? I see this sort of survey
>> article
>> he wrote with Doyne Farmer
>> http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0708.2837 that gets into quantum computation
>> about half way through.
>>
>> ..and the full list of arXiv articles here
>> http://xxx.lanl.gov/find/grp_physics/1/au:+bais/0/1/0/all/0/1
>>
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