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<P>Hello everyone!</P>
<P>The evaluation of simulation models has been a major topic of concern for the fields of engineering and operations research. Some of this work/literature might be of relevance to those engaged with the question of how to evaluate a particular type of simulation model, namely, ABMs.</P>
<P>Somewhat curiously, the evaluation of ABM models has become a major topic within the field of sociology (at least in the United States): an example of this discussion -- and a good paper on the role of and evaluation of ABM models -- is:</P>
<P><A href="http://soc.annualreviews.org/cgi/content/full/28/1/143">From Factors to Actors: Computational Sociology and Agent-Based Modeling</A> <BR>Michael W. Macy and Robert Willer <BR><I>Annual Review of Sociology,</I> Vol. 28, 2002<BR><BR>It is a discussion that is also engaging economists.</P>
<P>Jose</P></DIV><BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV>*************************</DIV>
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<DIV>José Lobo</DIV>
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<DIV>Visiting Researcher</DIV>
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<DIV>Santa Fe Institute</DIV>
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<DIV>1399 Hyde Park Road</DIV>
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<DIV>Santa Fe, NM 87501</DIV>
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<DIV>office:  505-946-2765 </DIV>
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<DIV>fax:      505-982-0565</DIV>
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<DIV>mobile: 505-577-6822</DIV>
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<DIV><A href="mailto:[hidden email]">[hidden email]</A></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: <[hidden email]>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: [hidden email]
<DIV></DIV>>To: <[hidden email]>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Methodology
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 03:13:23 +0300
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Robert and Owen,
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Maybe a good first step might be that we and fellow FRIAMers should start
<DIV></DIV>>putting some ideas together. Publish it and try to get industrial and
<DIV></DIV>>governmental buy-in.
<DIV></DIV>>How about we chat about it? I would be happy to host it
<DIV></DIV>>http://www.optomatica.com/ABM-M.htm
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Lets agree on the time... how about next Monday 9 MST? I am about 9 hrs
<DIV></DIV>>ahead of you, so the earlier the better.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Mohammed
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Owen Densmore" <[hidden email]>
<DIV></DIV>>To: <[hidden email]>
<DIV></DIV>>Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:18 PM
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Methodology
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> > I'm certainly interested in having ABM "grow up", so to speak. I've
<DIV></DIV>> > been working with the Value Network working group at SFI:
<DIV></DIV>> > http://valuenetwork.sourceforge.net/
<DIV></DIV>> > http://backspaces.net/SCSim/
<DIV></DIV>> > and part of the work has been looking at validating models. One
<DIV></DIV>> > approach taken by the Argonne folks was to implement the model in
<DIV></DIV>> > multiple standard environments .. called "docking"
<DIV></DIV>> > http://backspaces.net/SCSim/BeerDock.pdf
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > However, these are more low level apprroaches: how to be sure the
<DIV></DIV>> > algorithms are robust and repeatable. Deeper questions lurk: how to
<DIV></DIV>> > build models that reflect the situation being modeled accurately.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > I'd love to play!
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Owen
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 09:25 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Mohamed,
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > I like the idea of a working group to start exploring an appropriate
<DIV></DIV>> > > methodology for ABMs. I think it's time we tried to get some
<DIV></DIV>> > > intellectual
<DIV></DIV>> > > clout behind this whole question of validity.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > As to how this could proceed, CRISP-DM and KADS may provide some
<DIV></DIV>> > > pointers,
<DIV></DIV>> > > albeit they are both European programs. Both started from informal
<DIV></DIV>> > > working
<DIV></DIV>> > > groups involving (on the push end) software vendors, consultants or
<DIV></DIV>> > > academics and (on the pull end) enlightened clients. Ultimately, both
<DIV></DIV>> > > attracted European Community funding (through the ESPRIT program). In
<DIV></DIV>> > > fact
<DIV></DIV>> > > KADS attracted a huge pile of funds - the program has been running
<DIV></DIV>> > > since
<DIV></DIV>> > > 1990 and is still underway.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Robert
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > P.S. Just to give you a flavour of the groups' scope, here are their
<DIV></DIV>> > > members:
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > KADS-II (ESPRIT Project P5248)
<DIV></DIV>> > > Cap Gemini Innovation
<DIV></DIV>> > > Swedish Institute for Computer Science
<DIV></DIV>> > > Cap Programator
<DIV></DIV>> > > Siemens AG
<DIV></DIV>> > > Netherlands Energy Research Foundation ECN
<DIV></DIV>> > > Touche Ross Management Consultants
<DIV></DIV>> > > Entel SA
<DIV></DIV>> > > University of Amsterdam
<DIV></DIV>> > > IBM France
<DIV></DIV>> > > Free University Brussels
<DIV></DIV>> > > Lloyd's Register
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > CRISP_DM (ESPRIT Project 24.959)
<DIV></DIV>> > > Teradata (Denmark)
<DIV></DIV>> > > SPSS (was ISL) - vendors of 'Clementine' data-mining software
<DIV></DIV>> > > DaimlerChrysler
<DIV></DIV>> > > OHRA (Netherlands)
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
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<DIV></DIV>> > Owen Densmore 451 Camino Don Miguel Santa Fe, NM 87505
<DIV></DIV>> > Work: 505-983-6305 Cell: 505-570-0168 Home: 505-988-3787
<DIV></DIV>> > [hidden email] http://backspaces.net
<DIV></DIV>> > http://complexityworkshop.com
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I can back up what Jose is saying. Evaluation and validation of ABMs is =
one
of the key thrusts of our research group in computational social =
sciences at
CMU.
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http://www.casos.ece.cmu.edu/projects/index.html
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Keith
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-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf =
Of
Jose Lobo
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:43 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Re: Evaluating ABM models

Hello everyone!

The evaluation of simulation models has been a major topic of concern =
for
the fields of engineering and operations research. Some of this
work/literature might be of relevance to those engaged with the question =
of
how to evaluate a particular type of simulation model, namely, ABMs.

Somewhat curiously, the evaluation of ABM models has become a major =
topic
within the field of sociology (at least in the United States): an =
example of
this discussion -- and a good paper on the role of and evaluation of ABM
models -- is:

>From <http://soc.annualreviews.org/cgi/content/full/28/1/143> Factors =
to
Actors: Computational Sociology and Agent-Based Modeling=20
Michael W. Macy and Robert Willer=20
Annual Review of Sociology, Vol. 28, 2002

It is a discussion that is also engaging economists.

Jose

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*************************
Jos=E9 Lobo
Visiting Researcher
Santa Fe Institute
1399 Hyde Park Road
Santa Fe, NM 87501
office: 505-946-2765=20
fax: 505-982-0565
mobile: 505-577-6822
[hidden email]
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>From:=20
>Reply-To: [hidden email]=20
>To:=20
>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Methodology=20
>Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 03:13:23 +0300=20
>=20
>Robert and Owen,=20
>=20
>Maybe a good first step might be that we and fellow FRIAMers should =
start=20
>putting some ideas together. Publish it and try to get industrial and=20
>governmental buy-in.=20
>How about we chat about it? I would be happy to host it=20
>http://www.optomatica.com/ABM-M.htm=20
>=20
>Lets agree on the time... how about next Monday 9 MST? I am about 9 hrs =

>ahead of you, so the earlier the better.=20
>=20
>Mohammed=20
>=20
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: "Owen Densmore"=20
>To:=20
>Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:18 PM=20
>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Methodology=20
>=20
>=20
> > I'm certainly interested in having ABM "grow up", so to speak. I've=20
> > been working with the Value Network working group at SFI:=20
> > http://valuenetwork.sourceforge.net/=20
> > http://backspaces.net/SCSim/=20
> > and part of the work has been looking at validating models. One=20
> > approach taken by the Argonne folks was to implement the model in=20
> > multiple standard environments .. called "docking"=20
> > http://backspaces.net/SCSim/BeerDock.pdf=20
> >=20
> > However, these are more low level apprroaches: how to be sure the=20
> > algorithms are robust and repeatable. Deeper questions lurk: how to=20
> > build models that reflect the situation being modeled accurately.=20
> >=20
> > I'd love to play!=20
> >=20
> > Owen=20
> >=20
> > On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 09:25 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:=20
> >=20
> > > Mohamed,=20
> > >=20
> > > I like the idea of a working group to start exploring an =

appropriate=20
> > > methodology for ABMs. I think it's time we tried to get some=20
> > > intellectual=20
> > > clout behind this whole question of validity.=20
> > >=20
> > > As to how this could proceed, CRISP-DM and KADS may provide some=20
> > > pointers,=20
> > > albeit they are both European programs. Both started from informal =

> > > working=20
> > > groups involving (on the push end) software vendors, consultants =
or=20
> > > academics and (on the pull end) enlightened clients. Ultimately, =
both=20
> > > attracted European Community funding (through the ESPRIT program). =
In=20
> > > fact=20
> > > KADS attracted a huge pile of funds - the program has been running =

> > > since=20
> > > 1990 and is still underway.=20
> > >=20
> > > Robert=20
> > >=20
> > > P.S. Just to give you a flavour of the groups' scope, here are =
their=20

> > > members:=20
> > >=20
> > > KADS-II (ESPRIT Project P5248)=20
> > > Cap Gemini Innovation=20
> > > Swedish Institute for Computer Science=20
> > > Cap Programator=20
> > > Siemens AG=20
> > > Netherlands Energy Research Foundation ECN=20
> > > Touche Ross Management Consultants=20
> > > Entel SA=20
> > > University of Amsterdam=20
> > > IBM France=20
> > > Free University Brussels=20
> > > Lloyd's Register=20
> > >=20
> > > CRISP_DM (ESPRIT Project 24.959)=20
> > > Teradata (Denmark)=20
> > > SPSS (was ISL) - vendors of 'Clementine' data-mining software=20
> > > DaimlerChrysler=20
> > > OHRA (Netherlands)=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > =

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> > http://complexityworkshop.com=20
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class=3D580415301-07052003>I can=20
back up what Jose is saying.  Evaluation and validation of ABMs is =
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the key thrusts of our research group in computational social sciences =
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CMU.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.casos.ece.cmu.edu/projects/index.html">http://www.caso=
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size=3D2>Keith</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D580415301-07052003></SPAN> </DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
[hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] <B>On Behalf =
Of=20
</B>Jose Lobo<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:43 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[hidden email]<BR><B>Subject:</B> [FRIAM] Re: Evaluating ABM=20
models<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P>Hello everyone!</P>
<P>The evaluation of simulation models has been a major topic of =
concern for=20
the fields of engineering and operations research. Some of this=20
work/literature might be of relevance to those engaged with the =
question of=20
how to evaluate a particular type of simulation model, namely, =
ABMs.</P>
<P>Somewhat curiously, the evaluation of ABM models has become a major =
topic=20
within the field of sociology (at least in the United States): an =
example of=20
this discussion -- and a good paper on the role of and evaluation of =
ABM=20
models -- is:</P>
<P><A =
href=3D"http://soc.annualreviews.org/cgi/content/full/28/1/143">From=20
Factors to Actors: Computational Sociology and Agent-Based =
Modeling</A>=20
<BR>Michael W. Macy and Robert Willer <BR><I>Annual Review of =
Sociology,</I>=20
Vol. 28, 2002<BR><BR>It is a discussion that is also engaging =
economists.</P>
<P>Jose</P></DIV><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>*************************</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Jos=E9 Lobo</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Visiting Researcher</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Santa Fe Institute</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>1399 Hyde Park Road</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Santa Fe, NM 87501</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>office:  505-946-2765 </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>fax:      505-982-0565</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>mobile: 505-577-6822</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><A =
href=3D"mailto:[hidden email]">[hidden email]</A></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: <[hidden email]>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: [hidden email]=20
<DIV></DIV>>To: <[hidden email]>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Methodology=20
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 03:13:23 +0300=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Robert and Owen,=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Maybe a good first step might be that we and fellow =
FRIAMers=20
should start=20
<DIV></DIV>>putting some ideas together. Publish it and try to get=20
industrial and=20
<DIV></DIV>>governmental buy-in.=20
<DIV></DIV>>How about we chat about it? I would be happy to host it =

<DIV></DIV>>http://www.optomatica.com/ABM-M.htm=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Lets agree on the time... how about next Monday 9 MST? =
I am=20
about 9 hrs=20
<DIV></DIV>>ahead of you, so the earlier the better.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Mohammed=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Owen Densmore" <[hidden email]>
<DIV></DIV>>To: <[hidden email]>
<DIV></DIV>>Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:18 PM=20
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Methodology=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> > I'm certainly interested in having ABM "grow up", =
so to=20
speak. I've=20
<DIV></DIV>> > been working with the Value Network working group =
at SFI:=20

<DIV></DIV>> > http://valuenetwork.sourceforge.net/=20
<DIV></DIV>> > http://backspaces.net/SCSim/=20
<DIV></DIV>> > and part of the work has been looking at =
validating=20
models. One=20
<DIV></DIV>> > approach taken by the Argonne folks was to =
implement the=20
model in=20
<DIV></DIV>> > multiple standard environments .. called =
"docking"=20
<DIV></DIV>> > http://backspaces.net/SCSim/BeerDock.pdf=20
<DIV></DIV>> >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > However, these are more low level apprroaches: =
how to be=20
sure the=20
<DIV></DIV>> > algorithms are robust and repeatable. Deeper =
questions=20
lurk: how to=20
<DIV></DIV>> > build models that reflect the situation being =
modeled=20
accurately.=20
<DIV></DIV>> >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > I'd love to play!=20
<DIV></DIV>> >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > Owen=20
<DIV></DIV>> >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 09:25 AM, Robert =
Holmes=20
wrote:=20
<DIV></DIV>> >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > Mohamed,=20
<DIV></DIV>> > >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > I like the idea of a working group to start=20
exploring an appropriate=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > methodology for ABMs. I think it's time we =
tried to=20
get some=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > intellectual=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > clout behind this whole question of =
validity.=20
<DIV></DIV>> > >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > As to how this could proceed, CRISP-DM and =
KADS may=20
provide some=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > pointers,=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > albeit they are both European programs. Both =
started=20
from informal=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > working=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > groups involving (on the push end) software =
vendors,=20
consultants or=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > academics and (on the pull end) enlightened =
clients.=20
Ultimately, both=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > attracted European Community funding =
(through the=20
ESPRIT program). In=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > fact=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > KADS attracted a huge pile of funds - the =
program=20
has been running=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > since=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > 1990 and is still underway.=20
<DIV></DIV>> > >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > Robert=20
<DIV></DIV>> > >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > P.S. Just to give you a flavour of the =
groups'=20
scope, here are their=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > members:=20
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