RFID chips - who needs privacy?

[Robert Holmes]

http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2003/08/12/brbla
de12.xml

Interesting and more than a little depressing to see that one of the first
real-life uses of RFID chips already involves an erosion of civil liberties.
I'm know that I'd prefer not to shop anywhere that insisted on taking my
photgraph as a condition of purchase. (And yes I know I'm on a security
camera every time I go into a shop but that somehow seems different to the
compulsory "smile please" when I pick up a pack of razor blades at this
Cambridge supermarket)

Robert
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[Belinda Wong-Swanson-2]

RFID chips - who needs privacy?Here's an even scarier thought: Add a spy
camera along with RFID chips to take images inside consumers' home under the
excuse of "learning about their consumers' behavior".
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http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2003/08/12/brbla
de12.xml

  Interesting and more than a little depressing to see that one of the first
real-life uses of RFID chips already involves an erosion of civil liberties.
I'm know that I'd prefer not to shop anywhere that insisted on taking my
photgraph as a condition of purchase. (And yes I know I'm on a security
camera every time I go into a shop but that somehow seems different to the
compulsory "smile please" when I pick up a pack of razor blades at this
Cambridge supermarket)

  Robert

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[Carl Tollander-2]

RFID chips - who needs privacy?And along those lines....
http://www.ftrain.com/robot_exclusion_protocol.html
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  Here's an even scarier thought: Add a spy camera along with RFID chips to
take images inside consumers' home under the excuse of "learning about their
consumers' behavior".
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    From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On
Behalf Of Robert Holmes
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    To: [hidden email]
    Subject: [FRIAM] RFID chips - who needs privacy?



http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2003/08/12/brbla
de12.xml

    Interesting and more than a little depressing to see that one of the
first real-life uses of RFID chips already involves an erosion of civil
liberties. I'm know that I'd prefer not to shop anywhere that insisted on
taking my photgraph as a condition of purchase. (And yes I know I'm on a
security camera every time I go into a shop but that somehow seems different
to the compulsory "smile please" when I pick up a pack of razor blades at
this Cambridge supermarket)

    Robert

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[Owen Densmore]

Just as the "civilians" have done much to destroy computing and
networking as they were meant to be, they also are misusing
damn near every technology to come within their grasp.

I see this misuse every day by simply using a Mac.  By being out
of the mainstream, I get beat over the head by all those folks who
think that all computing environments are alike.  It takes  
sophistication
to use a technology correctly and with good manners.

I think the RFID world will be haunted by misuse too.  I was surprised
at how vehement Bruce Schnier was in "Secrets and Lies" on this point.
He felt the judicial system and its laws were also misunderstanding
technology because the laws were written too specifically .. they
were "platform dependent".  When cars came along, a new set of laws
to govern them.  Ditto computers.  Privacy is privacy .. we shouldn't
need a new set of laws for the ways computers violate privacy.  But
we will.

Owen

On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 10:32  PM, Robert Holmes wrote:

> http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2003/08/ 
> 12/brblade12.xml
>
> Interesting and more than a little depressing to see that one of the  
> first real-life uses of RFID chips already involves an erosion of  
> civil liberties. I'm know that I'd prefer not to shop anywhere that  
> insisted on taking my photgraph as a condition of purchase. (And yes I  
> know I'm on a security camera every time I go into a shop but that  
> somehow seems different to the compulsory "smile please" when I pick  
> up a pack of razor blades at this Cambridge supermarket)
>
> Robert
>
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[Walter Fontana]

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Many mailing lists have digests and I wonder whether the time has come
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of weeks and will unsubscribe in the meantime.

Best to all!
Walter

[Stephen Guerin]

Thanks, Walter. This is a good excuse to put in a reminder for different
configuration features for the mailing list.

There is an option to receive a digest version.

On the bottom of the FRIAM web page <http://www.redfish.com/friam>, there's
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Scroll down to the bottom and enter your email address next to the button
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Also for filtering message, I set up a filter on my email client to move all
email sent to [hidden email] to its own folder.

-Steve
list admin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On
> Behalf Of Walter Fontana
> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:59 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: [FRIAM] incidence
>
>
> Folks - I enjoy the leads communicated through the FRIAM mailing list
> very much and there is rarely a dull moment on it. However, the recent
> events have increased the frequency of postings that I wish prolonged
> dicussions would be held "off-email", on a wiki or some database.
> (And I can imagine many events that would increase the rate of
> postings even more.)  Email discussions are fine with me, as long as I
> can channel distinct streams of messages to distinct email
> accounts. Unfortunately, I had to completely block the email accounts
> with my internet provider since they are just spam magnets. (If you
> have found a (Linux) solution to this problem, please let me know!)
> Many mailing lists have digests and I wonder whether the time has come
> to install an optional digest or once-a-week mode for this one as
> well. I believe FRIAM has an archive; that might serve the purpose for
> following up on a non-daily basis. I'm soon off on travel for a number
> of weeks and will unsubscribe in the meantime.
>
> Best to all!
> Walter
>
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
> Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
> http://www.redfish.com/friam
>
>