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Nick Thompson

!RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

Sorry, everybody. Ugh!

What I meant to write was, “At least, ask for a RAISE(!)”. You have no idea how envious I am of you all. Can you IMAGINE the joy I would feel if I learned that there were a million jobs unfilled for cranky former psychology professors who can’t write a ten-word email message without screwing it up!

That would be glorious.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 1:11 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
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Maybe there will even be a place for techie old farts to work from Ecuador.

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Friammers,

There are apparently a MILLION tech jobs going un-filled in the US – hence the panic in the tech industry concerning the immigration purge. Would this be a time for members of this list to consider seeking a better job? Or, at least, to ask for a job?
Or demand that your boss let you work remotely and move here to Santa Fe where the coffee is good, the air (usually) clean and where you are never more than ten minutes from the head of a hiking trail?

Just sayin’

N

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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Barry MacKichan

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

That’s what I did. Worked out well for me and the boss.

--Barry

On 4 Mar 2017, at 14:55, Nick Thompson wrote:

> Or demand that your boss let you work remotely and move here to Santa
> Fe where the coffee is good, the air (usually) clean and where you are
> never more than ten minutes from the head of a hiking trail?

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Russ Abbott

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

Nick, Where did you get the statistic that there are a million unfilled tech jobs? A google search (https://goo.gl/UmejPd) leads to these two sites, which don't seem to have that number: https://goo.gl/U73bdN and https://goo.gl/d4s1El.

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 5:05 PM Barry MacKichan <[hidden email]> wrote:

That’s what I did. Worked out well for me and the boss.

--Barry

On 4 Mar 2017, at 14:55, Nick Thompson wrote:

> Or demand that your boss let you work remotely and move here to Santa
> Fe where the coffee is good, the air (usually) clean and where you are
> never more than ten minutes from the head of a hiking trail?

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Owen Densmore

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

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I think catagorization of "tech" jobs is difficult. This article:

Dear President Trump: Those jobs aren’t coming back, and why would we want them to?
http://venturebeat.com/2017/02/20/dear-president-trump-those-jobs-arent-coming-back-and-why-would-we-want-them-to/

sez:

The U.S. economy is craving skilled technology workers: There are a quarter-million job openings for software developers in the U.S., half a million unfilled jobs that require tech skills, and the forecast need grows to one million within the next decade.

Note the distinction between software development, and require tech skills.

The article notes robotics in manufacturing, and as they say: Notice that these robots run on software. So ask yourself who is taking care of them? That’s right, software engineers.

So maybe a million is a bit over the top for "tech workers" but I bet it's closer than your links suggest. I bet if you include web design and other allied skills, you'd get pretty close.

-- Owen

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Russ Abbott <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nick, Where did you get the statistic that there are a million unfilled tech jobs? A google search (https://goo.gl/UmejPd) leads to these two sites, which don't seem to have that number: https://goo.gl/U73bdN and https://goo.gl/d4s1El.

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 5:05 PM Barry MacKichan <[hidden email]> wrote:
That’s what I did. Worked out well for me and the boss.

--Barry

On 4 Mar 2017, at 14:55, Nick Thompson wrote:

> Or demand that your boss let you work remotely and move here to Santa
> Fe where the coffee is good, the air (usually) clean and where you are
> never more than ten minutes from the head of a hiking trail?

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Nick Thompson

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

In reply to this post by Russ Abbott

Hi, Russ,

Good to hear from you again. I got the factoid about tech jobs from a program called Boston Public Radio during an interview with the business columnist for the Boston Globe, Shirley DeYoung (sp?). The context was worries over Trump’s anti-immigration policies. Boston tech companies are threatening to move to Canada because they cannot hire locally.

As my penance for being so damned gullible, I would try to hunt down a source for you, if you like, but absent any specific need, I will continue to live in my blissful world of plausible fantasies.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2017 9:26 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
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On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 5:05 PM Barry MacKichan <[hidden email]> wrote:

That’s what I did. Worked out well for me and the boss.

--Barry

On 4 Mar 2017, at 14:55, Nick Thompson wrote:

> Or demand that your boss let you work remotely and move here to Santa
> Fe where the coffee is good, the air (usually) clean and where you are
> never more than ten minutes from the head of a hiking trail?

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Nick Thompson

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

In reply to this post by Russ Abbott

Hi, Russ,

As my penance for being so damned gullible, I would try to hunt down a source for you, if you like, but absent any specific need, I will continue to live in my blissful world of plausible fantasies.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 5:05 PM Barry MacKichan <[hidden email]> wrote:

That’s what I did. Worked out well for me and the boss.

--Barry

On 4 Mar 2017, at 14:55, Nick Thompson wrote:

> Or demand that your boss let you work remotely and move here to Santa
> Fe where the coffee is good, the air (usually) clean and where you are
> never more than ten minutes from the head of a hiking trail?

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Owen Densmore

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

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I don't think you made a mistake, Nick. I think it is easy for the news to make such a broad statement by simply being very inclusive. *Everybody* needs to be tech-savvy in any job nowadays.

For me, the more important issue is companies making such a loud noise about their labor force difficulties. It's certainly real to them! They are not lying, but may be being absurdly specific about their requirements. The evolution of the the tech culture is always surprising me.

So no worries.

-- Owen

Nick Thompson

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

Hi, Owen,

Thanks. I have learned a lot from the blow back. Apparently Tech jobs have become more siloed in the last decade, so people can get stuck in their soloes (Silos? Is that like “potato”?) I have a relative who may be stuck in a silo, even while living in Eastern Mass. I would think that such a person would take a few months off and do a certificate or a crash course somewhere and emerge in another silo, if the opportunity is as great as it seems to be. I used to tell my undergraduates, “smart, flexible people will always find work.” Is that wrong?

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 10:11 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

I don't think you made a mistake, Nick. I think it is easy for the news to make such a broad statement by simply being very inclusive. *Everybody* needs to be tech-savvy in any job nowadays.

So no worries.

-- Owen

gepr

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

Yes, it's wrong, in _general_. Perhaps someone's already mentioned it. But the truth is that "it's not what you know, but who you know". That's always been the case. E.g. I knew a very technical engineering-oriented (white male), with a physics degree, working for me in a programming position. After I left the company (because it was dying), he was laid off. He couldn't find another gig there in the valley. So he got his "project management certificate" and restarted the job hunt, thinking it would round off his tech with some mgmt. It failed. So he moved back home to the midwest, where he continued his search ... to no avail. He acquired more certifcates, again uselessly. He finally landed a part-time teaching job at a community college. He's since expanded that into a kinda-sorta full-time teaching career (at that college and elsewhere).

His flaw, as I tried to describe before he got laid off, was that he didn't schmooze enough with the valley gurus-in-power. He (like me) disliked those people so much that it made such schmoozing painful. The difference is that he thought what he knows matters as much or more than who he knows.

Given that yesterday was women's day, this article is relevant:

https://theestablishment.co/being-a-nerd-is-different-now-that-im-a-girl-5f9231389b09#.xgahtqy3t

Even if you enjoy schmoozing with a crowd, it can get complicated. We live in a complex foam of siloization.

On 03/09/2017 09:21 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> Thanks. I have learned a lot from the blow back. Apparently Tech jobs have become more siloed in the last decade, so people can get stuck in their soloes (Silos? Is that like “potato”?) I have a relative who may be stuck in a silo, even while living in Eastern Mass. I would think that such a person would take a few months off and do a certificate or a crash course somewhere and emerge in another silo, if the opportunity is as great as it seems to be. I used to tell my undergraduates, “smart, flexible people will always find work.” Is that wrong?

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Gillian Densmore

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

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@Nick My recent experience for tech jobs as Owen(Dad) noted bonkers. My experience isn't unique either. I like using tech and have geeked out many times about tools like Dreamweaver, Dragon Speaking (or GooglesVoice To Text helper )

What I've come across that's borderline insanity: Knowing how to read or (possibly) use I duno HTML, NODE - equipment (for example) and if their is (was) something like a Python for web that as well.

basically looking at tech tools as a mix of companions and tools. Ok that's make sense.

What doesn't?

(this is a real example):

I sent a company my resume and some examples I'd done, and (politely) asked that have the option to work remotely. The outfit was a company in florida. They got back to me saying literally:

"You're skills and disposition are more than a mach for this this position. However We're only interested in people with PHDs and can also do Conversion to Funding Metrix to ensure our Metrix for Success are properly being met."

(I had to think: Was that even English?)

I also had someone say: "Due to your stage of life we've persude other younger and also qualified candidates" (So Because of being 30 or so you turned me down for a teen in College I thought"

Sufficed to say these example made me realise several things: I really want to get my Tech/Science/Art play nice and work together project going again, and eventually off the ground.

And that a certain type person is just bonkers.

Some tools are a bit to quirky. WordPress is a good example. Ever tried changing one background for a (similar) or even entirely different one? That's an incredibly basic thing. Yet (to me) but many themese make it a PITA

Android , that Dough Roberts for as kick but he has ranted (infamously) to here and to google and his blog(S?) about because it's super quirky.

Sufficed to say quirky and has personality is one thing. But I simply don't get this giant jerk attitude that people have now (tech or otherwise).

I'm stuck on the part of no how-to for jobs. Like I've said here(and to my bosses) Just because Xplace does it one way. Their might be a good reason to do it some otherway at Acme as compared to WilyCayoties. And not everyone has a head for or a desire to write in raw code but likes to use tools.

Besides...might not always be needed if a doodad already exists.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, Owen,

Thanks. I have learned a lot from the blow back. Apparently Tech jobs have become more siloed in the last decade, so people can get stuck in their soloes (Silos? Is that like “potato”?) I have a relative who may be stuck in a silo, even while living in Eastern Mass. I would think that such a person would take a few months off and do a certificate or a crash course somewhere and emerge in another silo, if the opportunity is as great as it seems to be. I used to tell my undergraduates, “smart, flexible people will always find work.” Is that wrong?

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 10:11 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

I don't think you made a mistake, Nick. I think it is easy for the news to make such a broad statement by simply being very inclusive. *Everybody* needs to be tech-savvy in any job nowadays.

For me, the more important issue is companies making such a loud noise about their labor force difficulties. It's certainly real to them! They are not lying, but may be being absurdly specific about their requirements. The evolution of the the tech culture is always surprising me.

So no worries.

-- Owen

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Jacqueline Kazil

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

Re: age reply -- as someone does a lot of work in diversity in tech. I would consult a lawyer about the age response. That sounds like descrimnation to me.

My husband is almost 40 and having same issue.

Lastly. I will say that one of the best junior developers I hired was 55-ish or so. Their loss.

On Thursday, March 9, 2017, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

@Nick My recent experience for tech jobs as Owen(Dad) noted bonkers. My experience isn't unique either. I like using tech and have geeked out many times about tools like Dreamweaver, Dragon Speaking (or GooglesVoice To Text helper )
What I've come across that's borderline insanity: Knowing how to read or (possibly) use I duno HTML, NODE - equipment (for example) and if their is (was) something like a Python for web that as well.
basically looking at tech tools as a mix of companions and tools. Ok that's make sense.
What doesn't?
(this is a real example):
I sent a company my resume and some examples I'd done, and (politely) asked that have the option to work remotely. The outfit was a company in florida. They got back to me saying literally:
"You're skills and disposition are more than a mach for this this position. However We're only interested in people with PHDs and can also do Conversion to Funding Metrix to ensure our Metrix for Success are properly being met."
(I had to think: Was that even English?)
I also had someone say: "Due to your stage of life we've persude other younger and also qualified candidates" (So Because of being 30 or so you turned me down for a teen in College I thought"

Sufficed to say these example made me realise several things: I really want to get my Tech/Science/Art play nice and work together project going again, and eventually off the ground.
And that a certain type person is just bonkers.
Some tools are a bit to quirky. WordPress is a good example. Ever tried changing one background for a (similar) or even entirely different one? That's an incredibly basic thing. Yet (to me) but many themese make it a PITA
Android , that Dough Roberts for as kick but he has ranted (infamously) to here and to google and his blog(S?) about because it's super quirky.

Sufficed to say quirky and has personality is one thing. But I simply don't get this giant jerk attitude that people have now (tech or otherwise).

I'm stuck on the part of no how-to for jobs. Like I've said here(and to my bosses) Just because Xplace does it one way. Their might be a good reason to do it some otherway at Acme as compared to WilyCayoties. And not everyone has a head for or a desire to write in raw code but likes to use tools.
Besides...might not always be needed if a doodad already exists.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Nick Thompson <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nickthompson@earthlink.net');" target="_blank">nickthompson@...> wrote:
Hi, Owen,

Thanks. I have learned a lot from the blow back. Apparently Tech jobs have become more siloed in the last decade, so people can get stuck in their soloes (Silos? Is that like “potato”?) I have a relative who may be stuck in a silo, even while living in Eastern Mass. I would think that such a person would take a few months off and do a certificate or a crash course somewhere and emerge in another silo, if the opportunity is as great as it seems to be. I used to tell my undergraduates, “smart, flexible people will always find work.” Is that wrong?

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','friam-bounces@redfish.com');" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 10:11 AM
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I don't think you made a mistake, Nick. I think it is easy for the news to make such a broad statement by simply being very inclusive. *Everybody* needs to be tech-savvy in any job nowadays.

For me, the more important issue is companies making such a loud noise about their labor force difficulties. It's certainly real to them! They are not lying, but may be being absurdly specific about their requirements. The evolution of the the tech culture is always surprising me.

So no worries.

-- Owen

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Jacqueline Kazil | @jackiekazil

Gary Schiltz-4

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

And where do we send our resumes? :-)

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Jacqueline Kazil <[hidden email]> wrote:

[...]

Lastly. I will say that one of the best junior developers I hired was 55-ish or so. Their loss.

Marcus G. Daniels

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

Being fit enough to be a soldier isn’t a problem. It’s that at some point we wise-up and stop fighting dumb battles for unworthy causes.

I’m a far better programmer now than when I was 20.. This not to say that there aren’t 20 year-olds who are still far better -- just that those folks will be even better in another 20 years if they keep at it.

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 4:35 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

And where do we send our resumes? :-)

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Jacqueline Kazil <[hidden email]> wrote:

[...]

Lastly. I will say that one of the best junior developers I hired was 55-ish or so. Their loss.

Nick Thompson

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

Dear Roger Critchlow,

Reporting, as you do, from the Belly of the Monster: do you have any thing to report on the matter of finding tech jobs in Boston?

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 4:59 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

Being fit enough to be a soldier isn’t a problem. It’s that at some point we wise-up and stop fighting dumb battles for unworthy causes.

From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 4:35 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

And where do we send our resumes? :-)

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Jacqueline Kazil <[hidden email]> wrote:

[...]

Lastly. I will say that one of the best junior developers I hired was 55-ish or so. Their loss.

Roger Critchlow-2

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

Uh, nope, nothing to report on tech jobs. I paid my age discrimination interviewing with idiots dues many years ago.

Finished installing a refrigerator compressor yesterday, took a walk in the 50 degree but windy spring day, now expecting occasional snow for the rest of this morning, and we have 12+ inches of snow forecast for Tuesday, but that storm is causing all sorts of forecasting misery up and down the east coast.

One of our tech friends found a job in the past year, but that's a crazy story that has too many personal details and ongoing loose ends to tell. A lot of the people in the neighborhood are in health care, because Mass General expanded into the Charlestown Navy Yard much like UCSF expanded into the China Basin in San Francisco, and they bring a lot of related business with them. And, of course, Mass has Romneycare, so all those businesses aren't on the verge of being Ryan/Trump/TeaParty-cared into oblivion. Some of the people in the boatyard appear to be technomads, our next door neighbor spent two years sailing to the Caribbean and returning to the same slip to go back to work coding.

LinkedIn still thinks I'm in Santa Fe, so I only hear about the thousands of jobs of enchantment available there, and I think they're exaggerating, but they should, because job seekers need all the encouragement they can get, interviewing for jobs with entitled assholes is as dismal as economics gets.

-- rec --

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Roger Critchlow,

Reporting, as you do, from the Belly of the Monster: do you have any thing to report on the matter of finding tech jobs in Boston?

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 4:59 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

Being fit enough to be a soldier isn’t a problem. It’s that at some point we wise-up and stop fighting dumb battles for unworthy causes.

I’m a far better programmer now than when I was 20.. This not to say that there aren’t 20 year-olds who are still far better -- just that those folks will be even better in another 20 years if they keep at it.

From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 4:35 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

And where do we send our resumes? :-)

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Jacqueline Kazil <[hidden email]> wrote:
[...]

Lastly. I will say that one of the best junior developers I hired was 55-ish or so. Their loss.

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Owen Densmore

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

Administrator

Fascinating!

So do you think there *are* jobs but the competition is so great that they are not easily gotten? Or do the employers feel that the local techies are not up to their standards? Or techies outnumber the jobs? Or there really aren't enough tech jobs?

-- Owen

Eric Charles-2

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

In reply to this post by Jacqueline Kazil

More re: age reply

You will be at the mercy of state and local laws there. Federal laws specifically only apply to people being discriminated against because they are over the age of 40.

I don't know much about more local laws around the country. I know that in D.C. age discrimination claims can be made by anyone 18 or older.

-----------
Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician

U.S. Marine Corps

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On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Jacqueline Kazil <[hidden email]> wrote:

Re: age reply -- as someone does a lot of work in diversity in tech. I would consult a lawyer about the age response. That sounds like descrimnation to me.

My husband is almost 40 and having same issue.

Lastly. I will say that one of the best junior developers I hired was 55-ish or so. Their loss.

On Thursday, March 9, 2017, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
@Nick My recent experience for tech jobs as Owen(Dad) noted bonkers. My experience isn't unique either. I like using tech and have geeked out many times about tools like Dreamweaver, Dragon Speaking (or GooglesVoice To Text helper )
What I've come across that's borderline insanity: Knowing how to read or (possibly) use I duno HTML, NODE - equipment (for example) and if their is (was) something like a Python for web that as well.
basically looking at tech tools as a mix of companions and tools. Ok that's make sense.
What doesn't?
(this is a real example):
I sent a company my resume and some examples I'd done, and (politely) asked that have the option to work remotely. The outfit was a company in florida. They got back to me saying literally:
"You're skills and disposition are more than a mach for this this position. However We're only interested in people with PHDs and can also do Conversion to Funding Metrix to ensure our Metrix for Success are properly being met."
(I had to think: Was that even English?)
I also had someone say: "Due to your stage of life we've persude other younger and also qualified candidates" (So Because of being 30 or so you turned me down for a teen in College I thought"

Sufficed to say these example made me realise several things: I really want to get my Tech/Science/Art play nice and work together project going again, and eventually off the ground.
And that a certain type person is just bonkers.
Some tools are a bit to quirky. WordPress is a good example. Ever tried changing one background for a (similar) or even entirely different one? That's an incredibly basic thing. Yet (to me) but many themese make it a PITA
Android , that Dough Roberts for as kick but he has ranted (infamously) to here and to google and his blog(S?) about because it's super quirky.

Sufficed to say quirky and has personality is one thing. But I simply don't get this giant jerk attitude that people have now (tech or otherwise).

I'm stuck on the part of no how-to for jobs. Like I've said here(and to my bosses) Just because Xplace does it one way. Their might be a good reason to do it some otherway at Acme as compared to WilyCayoties. And not everyone has a head for or a desire to write in raw code but likes to use tools.
Besides...might not always be needed if a doodad already exists.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi, Owen,

Thanks. I have learned a lot from the blow back. Apparently Tech jobs have become more siloed in the last decade, so people can get stuck in their soloes (Silos? Is that like “potato”?) I have a relative who may be stuck in a silo, even while living in Eastern Mass. I would think that such a person would take a few months off and do a certificate or a crash course somewhere and emerge in another silo, if the opportunity is as great as it seems to be. I used to tell my undergraduates, “smart, flexible people will always find work.” Is that wrong?

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 10:11 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

I don't think you made a mistake, Nick. I think it is easy for the news to make such a broad statement by simply being very inclusive. *Everybody* needs to be tech-savvy in any job nowadays.

For me, the more important issue is companies making such a loud noise about their labor force difficulties. It's certainly real to them! They are not lying, but may be being absurdly specific about their requirements. The evolution of the the tech culture is always surprising me.

So no worries.

-- Owen

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Eric Charles-2

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

Regarding the larger conversation: It will be interesting to see what happens if the tech-worker visas stay frozen. I suspect that program has encouraged the unreasonable pickiness that many companies display. If the companies really need employees, either there will be employees who meet the exact skill set the company wants for the price it is offering, or the company will need to broaden the search (either in terms of skill set or money offered). At some point, either the company finds people to hire, or it goes under due to sheer lack of manpower. Even if they do find exactly what they are looking for, presumably companies filled with only overly-specialized employees will show other signs of stagnation that are ultimately detrimental.

In my limited experience, one of the disconnects is that the people evaluating resumes, and sometimes even the people doing initial interviews, often have little clue what skills are needed for the job. Some H.R. person interviews a hiring manager looking for a programmer, and the manager says "Well, what I'd really like is someone with 5 years of x, 10 years of y, and project management experience." The H.R. person writes something vaguely like that in an add, but doesn't know that 6 years of M and 4 years of N counts as 10 years of y. And it all goes down hill from there. And that the manager would also have been perfectly happy for people with a variety of related skill sets doesn't matter for everyone who's resumes got flushed.

At this point, much of my experience is applying for jobs in the federal sector, where regulations force the initial rounds of evaluation to be at arms length from anyone who might know what to look for. It is amazing the jobs that I have been deemed qualified for and the jobs I have been deemed unqualified for, during the initial arms-length stages.

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Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician

U.S. Marine Corps

[hidden email]

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Eric Charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

More re: age reply

You will be at the mercy of state and local laws there. Federal laws specifically only apply to people being discriminated against because they are over the age of 40.

I don't know much about more local laws around the country. I know that in D.C. age discrimination claims can be made by anyone 18 or older.
-----------
Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician
U.S. Marine Corps
[hidden email]
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Jacqueline Kazil <[hidden email]> wrote:
Re: age reply -- as someone does a lot of work in diversity in tech. I would consult a lawyer about the age response. That sounds like descrimnation to me.

My husband is almost 40 and having same issue.

Lastly. I will say that one of the best junior developers I hired was 55-ish or so. Their loss.

On Thursday, March 9, 2017, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
@Nick My recent experience for tech jobs as Owen(Dad) noted bonkers. My experience isn't unique either. I like using tech and have geeked out many times about tools like Dreamweaver, Dragon Speaking (or GooglesVoice To Text helper )
What I've come across that's borderline insanity: Knowing how to read or (possibly) use I duno HTML, NODE - equipment (for example) and if their is (was) something like a Python for web that as well.
basically looking at tech tools as a mix of companions and tools. Ok that's make sense.
What doesn't?
(this is a real example):
I sent a company my resume and some examples I'd done, and (politely) asked that have the option to work remotely. The outfit was a company in florida. They got back to me saying literally:
"You're skills and disposition are more than a mach for this this position. However We're only interested in people with PHDs and can also do Conversion to Funding Metrix to ensure our Metrix for Success are properly being met."
(I had to think: Was that even English?)
I also had someone say: "Due to your stage of life we've persude other younger and also qualified candidates" (So Because of being 30 or so you turned me down for a teen in College I thought"

Sufficed to say these example made me realise several things: I really want to get my Tech/Science/Art play nice and work together project going again, and eventually off the ground.
And that a certain type person is just bonkers.
Some tools are a bit to quirky. WordPress is a good example. Ever tried changing one background for a (similar) or even entirely different one? That's an incredibly basic thing. Yet (to me) but many themese make it a PITA
Android , that Dough Roberts for as kick but he has ranted (infamously) to here and to google and his blog(S?) about because it's super quirky.

Sufficed to say quirky and has personality is one thing. But I simply don't get this giant jerk attitude that people have now (tech or otherwise).

I'm stuck on the part of no how-to for jobs. Like I've said here(and to my bosses) Just because Xplace does it one way. Their might be a good reason to do it some otherway at Acme as compared to WilyCayoties. And not everyone has a head for or a desire to write in raw code but likes to use tools.
Besides...might not always be needed if a doodad already exists.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi, Owen,

Thanks. I have learned a lot from the blow back. Apparently Tech jobs have become more siloed in the last decade, so people can get stuck in their soloes (Silos? Is that like “potato”?) I have a relative who may be stuck in a silo, even while living in Eastern Mass. I would think that such a person would take a few months off and do a certificate or a crash course somewhere and emerge in another silo, if the opportunity is as great as it seems to be. I used to tell my undergraduates, “smart, flexible people will always find work.” Is that wrong?

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 10:11 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

I don't think you made a mistake, Nick. I think it is easy for the news to make such a broad statement by simply being very inclusive. *Everybody* needs to be tech-savvy in any job nowadays.

For me, the more important issue is companies making such a loud noise about their labor force difficulties. It's certainly real to them! They are not lying, but may be being absurdly specific about their requirements. The evolution of the the tech culture is always surprising me.

So no worries.

-- Owen

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Steve Smith

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

As a one-time hiring manager at LANL, this was the bane of my existence... the HR folks, bless their wrinkled little hearts, would do this to me and to potential candidates. I'd get wind of a potential candidate through the "who you know, not what you know" network and when I looked for their resume, I would not find it in those offered to me by HR. I could never quite tell *what* the mismatch was... though one thing that bit me in the ass often was that HR screened very rigorously for GPA and education level while *I* was always willing to go to bat for a BS + credits and sometimes with a <3.5 GPA. They wanted only MS++ and >3.6 or 3.7 GPA.

Having been "under-educated" myself and working my own way through college, *I* had a bias for those who were able to multi-task by going to college, working a significant job, and sometimes raising a young family. Those qualities often conflicted with a stellar GPA and a completed MS.

I was a young hiring manager (starting at that in my late 20s) so I was often interviewing and hiring folks older than myself. I think the oldest hire I made was 60. He gave us about 7 good years, more than most fresh grads stick their first job out for... YIKES! I just turned 60!

- Carry on

On 3/14/17 11:51 AM, Eric Charles wrote:

Regarding the larger conversation: It will be interesting to see what happens if the tech-worker visas stay frozen. I suspect that program has encouraged the unreasonable pickiness that many companies display. If the companies really need employees, either there will be employees who meet the exact skill set the company wants for the price it is offering, or the company will need to broaden the search (either in terms of skill set or money offered). At some point, either the company finds people to hire, or it goes under due to sheer lack of manpower. Even if they do find exactly what they are looking for, presumably companies filled with only overly-specialized employees will show other signs of stagnation that are ultimately detrimental.

In my limited experience, one of the disconnects is that the people evaluating resumes, and sometimes even the people doing initial interviews, often have little clue what skills are needed for the job. Some H.R. person interviews a hiring manager looking for a programmer, and the manager says "Well, what I'd really like is someone with 5 years of x, 10 years of y, and project management experience." The H.R. person writes something vaguely like that in an add, but doesn't know that 6 years of M and 4 years of N counts as 10 years of y. And it all goes down hill from there. And that the manager would also have been perfectly happy for people with a variety of related skill sets doesn't matter for everyone who's resumes got flushed.

At this point, much of my experience is applying for jobs in the federal sector, where regulations force the initial rounds of evaluation to be at arms length from anyone who might know what to look for. It is amazing the jobs that I have been deemed qualified for and the jobs I have been deemed unqualified for, during the initial arms-length stages.
-----------
Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician

U.S. Marine Corps
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Eric Charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
More re: age reply

You will be at the mercy of state and local laws there. Federal laws specifically only apply to people being discriminated against because they are over the age of 40.

I don't know much about more local laws around the country. I know that in D.C. age discrimination claims can be made by anyone 18 or older.
-----------
Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician

U.S. Marine Corps
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Jacqueline Kazil <[hidden email]> wrote:
Re: age reply -- as someone does a lot of work in diversity in tech. I would consult a lawyer about the age response. That sounds like descrimnation to me.

My husband is almost 40 and having same issue.

Lastly. I will say that one of the best junior developers I hired was 55-ish or so. Their loss.

On Thursday, March 9, 2017, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

@Nick My recent experience for tech jobs as Owen(Dad) noted bonkers. My experience isn't unique either. I like using tech and have geeked out many times about tools like Dreamweaver, Dragon Speaking (or GooglesVoice To Text helper )

What I've come across that's borderline insanity: Knowing how to read or (possibly) use I duno HTML, NODE - equipment (for example) and if their is (was) something like a Python for web that as well.

basically looking at tech tools as a mix of companions and tools. Ok that's make sense.

What doesn't?

(this is a real example):

I sent a company my resume and some examples I'd done, and (politely) asked that have the option to work remotely. The outfit was a company in florida. They got back to me saying literally:

"You're skills and disposition are more than a mach for this this position. However We're only interested in people with PHDs and can also do Conversion to Funding Metrix to ensure our Metrix for Success are properly being met."

(I had to think: Was that even English?)

I also had someone say: "Due to your stage of life we've persude other younger and also qualified candidates" (So Because of being 30 or so you turned me down for a teen in College I thought"

Sufficed to say these example made me realise several things: I really want to get my Tech/Science/Art play nice and work together project going again, and eventually off the ground.

And that a certain type person is just bonkers.

Some tools are a bit to quirky. WordPress is a good example. Ever tried changing one background for a (similar) or even entirely different one? That's an incredibly basic thing. Yet (to me) but many themese make it a PITA

Android , that Dough Roberts for as kick but he has ranted (infamously) to here and to google and his blog(S?) about because it's super quirky.

Sufficed to say quirky and has personality is one thing. But I simply don't get this giant jerk attitude that people have now (tech or otherwise).

I'm stuck on the part of no how-to for jobs. Like I've said here(and to my bosses) Just because Xplace does it one way. Their might be a good reason to do it some otherway at Acme as compared to WilyCayoties. And not everyone has a head for or a desire to write in raw code but likes to use tools.

Besides...might not always be needed if a doodad already exists.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, Owen,

Thanks. I have learned a lot from the blow back. Apparently Tech jobs have become more siloed in the last decade, so people can get stuck in their soloes (Silos? Is that like “potato”?) I have a relative who may be stuck in a silo, even while living in Eastern Mass. I would think that such a person would take a few months off and do a certificate or a crash course somewhere and emerge in another silo, if the opportunity is as great as it seems to be. I used to tell my undergraduates, “smart, flexible people will always find work.” Is that wrong?

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 10:11 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

I don't think you made a mistake, Nick. I think it is easy for the news to make such a broad statement by simply being very inclusive. *Everybody* needs to be tech-savvy in any job nowadays.

For me, the more important issue is companies making such a loud noise about their labor force difficulties. It's certainly real to them! They are not lying, but may be being absurdly specific about their requirements. The evolution of the the tech culture is always surprising me.

So no worries.

-- Owen

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

One thing I’m struck by is how willing some people are to be tasked by relatively ignorant or ineffectual people. My guess is that filtering on GPA optimizes for this. As far as I can tell, the tasked individuals don’t perceive that the tasking is getting in the way of their ability to pursue their idea of the Right Thing or finding the Interesting Question. They might even _want_ the tasking. I find it very strange. I always found education to be that obligatory activity that interrupted the thing I wanted to do or the thing that I thought needed to be done.

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 4:13 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

- Carry on

On 3/14/17 11:51 AM, Eric Charles wrote:

Regarding the larger conversation: It will be interesting to see what happens if the tech-worker visas stay frozen. I suspect that program has encouraged the unreasonable pickiness that many companies display. If the companies really need employees, either there will be employees who meet the exact skill set the company wants for the price it is offering, or the company will need to broaden the search (either in terms of skill set or money offered). At some point, either the company finds people to hire, or it goes under due to sheer lack of manpower. Even if they do find exactly what they are looking for, presumably companies filled with only overly-specialized employees will show other signs of stagnation that are ultimately detrimental.

In my limited experience, one of the disconnects is that the people evaluating resumes, and sometimes even the people doing initial interviews, often have little clue what skills are needed for the job. Some H.R. person interviews a hiring manager looking for a programmer, and the manager says "Well, what I'd really like is someone with 5 years of x, 10 years of y, and project management experience." The H.R. person writes something vaguely like that in an add, but doesn't know that 6 years of M and 4 years of N counts as 10 years of y. And it all goes down hill from there. And that the manager would also have been perfectly happy for people with a variety of related skill sets doesn't matter for everyone who's resumes got flushed.

At this point, much of my experience is applying for jobs in the federal sector, where regulations force the initial rounds of evaluation to be at arms length from anyone who might know what to look for. It is amazing the jobs that I have been deemed qualified for and the jobs I have been deemed unqualified for, during the initial arms-length stages.
-----------
Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician

U.S. Marine Corps
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Eric Charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
More re: age reply

You will be at the mercy of state and local laws there. Federal laws specifically only apply to people being discriminated against because they are over the age of 40.

I don't know much about more local laws around the country. I know that in D.C. age discrimination claims can be made by anyone 18 or older.
-----------
Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician

U.S. Marine Corps
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Jacqueline Kazil <[hidden email]> wrote:
Re: age reply -- as someone does a lot of work in diversity in tech. I would consult a lawyer about the age response. That sounds like descrimnation to me.

My husband is almost 40 and having same issue.

Lastly. I will say that one of the best junior developers I hired was 55-ish or so. Their loss.

On Thursday, March 9, 2017, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

@Nick My recent experience for tech jobs as Owen(Dad) noted bonkers. My experience isn't unique either. I like using tech and have geeked out many times about tools like Dreamweaver, Dragon Speaking (or GooglesVoice To Text helper )

What I've come across that's borderline insanity: Knowing how to read or (possibly) use I duno HTML, NODE - equipment (for example) and if their is (was) something like a Python for web that as well.

basically looking at tech tools as a mix of companions and tools. Ok that's make sense.

What doesn't?

(this is a real example):

I sent a company my resume and some examples I'd done, and (politely) asked that have the option to work remotely. The outfit was a company in florida. They got back to me saying literally:

"You're skills and disposition are more than a mach for this this position. However We're only interested in people with PHDs and can also do Conversion to Funding Metrix to ensure our Metrix for Success are properly being met."

(I had to think: Was that even English?)

I also had someone say: "Due to your stage of life we've persude other younger and also qualified candidates" (So Because of being 30 or so you turned me down for a teen in College I thought"

Sufficed to say these example made me realise several things: I really want to get my Tech/Science/Art play nice and work together project going again, and eventually off the ground.

And that a certain type person is just bonkers.

Some tools are a bit to quirky. WordPress is a good example. Ever tried changing one background for a (similar) or even entirely different one? That's an incredibly basic thing. Yet (to me) but many themese make it a PITA

Android , that Dough Roberts for as kick but he has ranted (infamously) to here and to google and his blog(S?) about because it's super quirky.

Sufficed to say quirky and has personality is one thing. But I simply don't get this giant jerk attitude that people have now (tech or otherwise).

I'm stuck on the part of no how-to for jobs. Like I've said here(and to my bosses) Just because Xplace does it one way. Their might be a good reason to do it some otherway at Acme as compared to WilyCayoties. And not everyone has a head for or a desire to write in raw code but likes to use tools.

Besides...might not always be needed if a doodad already exists.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, Owen,

Thanks. I have learned a lot from the blow back. Apparently Tech jobs have become more siloed in the last decade, so people can get stuck in their soloes (Silos? Is that like “potato”?) I have a relative who may be stuck in a silo, even while living in Eastern Mass. I would think that such a person would take a few months off and do a certificate or a crash course somewhere and emerge in another silo, if the opportunity is as great as it seems to be. I used to tell my undergraduates, “smart, flexible people will always find work.” Is that wrong?

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 10:11 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

I don't think you made a mistake, Nick. I think it is easy for the news to make such a broad statement by simply being very inclusive. *Everybody* needs to be tech-savvy in any job nowadays.

For me, the more important issue is companies making such a loud noise about their labor force difficulties. It's certainly real to them! They are not lying, but may be being absurdly specific about their requirements. The evolution of the the tech culture is always surprising me.

So no worries.

-- Owen

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