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Douglas Roberts-2

Python Development Environment?

I noticed that about logo...

--Doug

On 3/3/06, Roger Frye <rfrye at commodicast.com> wrote:

>
> Here's a pointer to an article that satirizes language lovers personality
> types:
>
> Programming languages and their relationship styles
> http://maradydd.livejournal.com/293666.html
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>

--
Doug Roberts, RTI
505-455-7333 - Office
505-670-8195 - Cell
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James Steiner

Python Development Environment?

In reply to this post by Roger Frye-2

On 3/3/06, Roger Frye <rfrye at commodicast.com> wrote:
> Here's a pointer to an article that satirizes language lovers personality
> types:
>
> Programming languages and their relationship styles
> http://maradydd.livejournal.com/293666.html

NetLogo is the madam of a little-known brothel the employs countless
cloned androgyn simpletons. You can ask just one one or any number of
them to do almost anything you want, either to you to to each other,
if only you can explain the steps to them in sufficiently simple
terms. They are all the same, but they are happy to dress up and
pretend to be whatever you want: girls, boys, ants, even a potted
plant. Though there are some things they just can't do, you keep
coming back, because sometimes, when they all get going together, the
result is something completely unexpected. This totally gets you off.

~~James

Stephen Guerin

Python Development Environment?

In reply to this post by John Pfersich

Okay...

I think Owen's initial request for recommendations about Python IDE's devolved
into a language debate... I think we should move on to less flame-baited
targets.

My new question is:

I'm looking for a new religion. Does anybody have a favorite recommendation that
I can use for moral guidance and that gives me a sense of place and purpose in
this world? Points will be given if you can show how other belief systems are
false and not the one true belief system.

-Steve

PS. Please don't respond. I'm only joking.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Pfersich [mailto:jp1660 at att.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:18 PM
> To: Giles Bowkett
> Cc: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Python Development Environment?
>
>
> After your subsequent post, I can't be bothered. I had been preparing
> something, but you're not worth it.
>
> At 09:50 AM 3/1/2006 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hey John, sorry for razzing you about Smalltalk, to be honest I'm
> >looking for a good Smalltalk learning resource. I downloaded Cincom
> >VisualWorks Smalltalk a while ago but I really haven't done anything
> >other than skimming the intro stuff and playing with the IDE and its
> >object library. Any pointers for a n00b?
> >
> >On 2/28/06, John Pfersich <jp1660 at att.net> wrote:
> > > At 09:58 AM 2/28/2006 -0700, Owen wrote:
> > > >We've been looking into using Python in some modeling efforts. One
> > > >question we stumble across is "What's a good Development Environment?"
> > > >
> > > >So what are your experiences? Eclipse + PyDev? Eclipse +
> > > >TruStudio? Boa Constructor? WingWare? Vanilla syntax oriented
> > > >programming editor? It'd be sweet if it were cross-platform, running
> > > >on Windows, Mac and Linux so we can all share the pain!
> > >
> > > I use jEdit as a vanilla syntax oriented editor. It's cross-platform
> > > (written in Java) and has quite a large number of add-on modules. It may
> > > have Python oriented add-ons; I don't use Python (ugh).
> > >
> > > Why not try Ruby if you're starting from scratch? Python has some nasty
> > > column-based formatting rules that I find too reminiscent of my old punch
> > > card days (or is it daze). I'd say that Ruby's a better choice unless
> > > there's some Python libraries that would be useful. Quite a few OO
> > > luminaries have jumped on the Ruby bandwagon over the past few years. I've
> > > been a Rubyist for a couple of years (I first tried Ruby in 2001), and I
> > > find the language to be OK. I still prefer Smalltalk.
> > >
> > > GNU Smalltalk is much like Ruby, but usually faster (sometimes much faster
> > > than it or Python) and the code can be transferred to other Smalltalks
> > > (like Squeak, Cincom VisualWorks, the ex-IBM VAST, or the Windows only
> > > Dolphin ST and quite a few others) pretty easily. With Smalltalk you'll
> > > definitely get a visual debugger in the environment (except for GST) that
> > > will allow you to fix the code and restart the process in real time.
> > > Eclipse is based on the Smalltalk environment (as are all IDEs,
> AFAIK), and
> > > Eclipse is a really lame imitation of the Smalltalk environment.
> > >
> > > It all comes down to which language will fit your needs best.
> > >
> > > >One issue is debugging: we'd like a visual debugger with single
> > > >stepping and break points if at all possible.
> > > >
> > > > -- Owen
> > >
> > >
> > > ============================================================
> > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> > >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Giles Goat Boy
> >
> >http://gilesmakesmusic.blogspot.com
> >http://gileswritescode.blogspot.com
>
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
>

Giles Bowkett

Python Development Environment?

In reply to this post by John Pfersich

Jesus Christ dude CHILL OUT!!!

I WAS KIDDING, MAN.

On 3/2/06, John Pfersich <jp1660 at att.net> wrote:

> After your subsequent post, I can't be bothered. I had been preparing
> something, but you're not worth it.
>
> At 09:50 AM 3/1/2006 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hey John, sorry for razzing you about Smalltalk, to be honest I'm
> >looking for a good Smalltalk learning resource. I downloaded Cincom
> >VisualWorks Smalltalk a while ago but I really haven't done anything
> >other than skimming the intro stuff and playing with the IDE and its
> >object library. Any pointers for a n00b?
> >
> >On 2/28/06, John Pfersich <jp1660 at att.net> wrote:
> > > At 09:58 AM 2/28/2006 -0700, Owen wrote:
> > > >We've been looking into using Python in some modeling efforts. One
> > > >question we stumble across is "What's a good Development Environment?"
> > > >
> > > >So what are your experiences? Eclipse + PyDev? Eclipse +
> > > >TruStudio? Boa Constructor? WingWare? Vanilla syntax oriented
> > > >programming editor? It'd be sweet if it were cross-platform, running
> > > >on Windows, Mac and Linux so we can all share the pain!
> > >
> > > I use jEdit as a vanilla syntax oriented editor. It's cross-platform
> > > (written in Java) and has quite a large number of add-on modules. It may
> > > have Python oriented add-ons; I don't use Python (ugh).
> > >
> > > Why not try Ruby if you're starting from scratch? Python has some nasty
> > > column-based formatting rules that I find too reminiscent of my old punch
> > > card days (or is it daze). I'd say that Ruby's a better choice unless
> > > there's some Python libraries that would be useful. Quite a few OO
> > > luminaries have jumped on the Ruby bandwagon over the past few years. I've
> > > been a Rubyist for a couple of years (I first tried Ruby in 2001), and I
> > > find the language to be OK. I still prefer Smalltalk.
> > >
> > > GNU Smalltalk is much like Ruby, but usually faster (sometimes much faster
> > > than it or Python) and the code can be transferred to other Smalltalks
> > > (like Squeak, Cincom VisualWorks, the ex-IBM VAST, or the Windows only
> > > Dolphin ST and quite a few others) pretty easily. With Smalltalk you'll
> > > definitely get a visual debugger in the environment (except for GST) that
> > > will allow you to fix the code and restart the process in real time.
> > > Eclipse is based on the Smalltalk environment (as are all IDEs, AFAIK), and
> > > Eclipse is a really lame imitation of the Smalltalk environment.
> > >
> > > It all comes down to which language will fit your needs best.
> > >
> > > >One issue is debugging: we'd like a visual debugger with single
> > > >stepping and break points if at all possible.
> > > >
> > > > -- Owen
> > >
> > >
> > > ============================================================
> > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> > >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Giles Goat Boy
> >
> >http://gilesmakesmusic.blogspot.com
> >http://gileswritescode.blogspot.com
>
>

--
Giles Goat Boy

http://gilesmakesmusic.blogspot.com
http://gileswritescode.blogspot.com

Giles Bowkett

Python Development Environment?

In reply to this post by Stephen Guerin

> PS. Please don't respond. I'm only joking.

whoops.

sorry.

--
Giles Goat Boy

http://gilesmakesmusic.blogspot.com
http://gileswritescode.blogspot.com

Stephen Guerin

Python Development Environment?

Okay..Jesus Christ is an acceptable answer ;-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Giles Bowkett [mailto:gilesb at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:57 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Python Development Environment?
>
>
> > PS. Please don't respond. I'm only joking.
>
> whoops.
>
> sorry.
>
> --
> Giles Goat Boy
>
> http://gilesmakesmusic.blogspot.com
> http://gileswritescode.blogspot.com
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
>

Douglas Roberts-2

Python Development Environment?

Careful, you're going to make me cross.

Also just kidding...

On 3/3/06, Stephen Guerin <stephen.guerin at redfish.com> wrote:

>
> Okay..Jesus Christ is an acceptable answer ;-)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Giles Bowkett [mailto:gilesb at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:57 PM
> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Python Development Environment?
> >
> >
> > > PS. Please don't respond. I'm only joking.
> >
> > whoops.
> >
> > sorry.
> >
> > --
> > Giles Goat Boy
> >
> > http://gilesmakesmusic.blogspot.com
> > http://gileswritescode.blogspot.com
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
> >
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>

Jim Rutt

Python Development Environment?

In reply to this post by Stephen Guerin

One of my favorite religion stories:

Back in the day (circa 1915) the philosopher Bertrand Russell and his wife
were running a very unorthodox, progressive school. Soon after the school
was set up in their new digs, the local Anglican Priest stopped by for a
welcoming visit.
He knocked on the door, which was answered by a stark naked 5 year old girl.

"Good God!" exclaimed the priest.

"There is no God!" shouted back the little girl, as she slammed the door.

At 12:45 PM 3/3/2006, you wrote:

>Okay...
>
>I think Owen's initial request for recommendations about Python IDE's devolved
>into a language debate... I think we should move on to less flame-baited
>targets.
>
>My new question is:
>
>I'm looking for a new religion. Does anybody have a favorite
>recommendation that
>I can use for moral guidance and that gives me a sense of place and purpose in
>this world? Points will be given if you can show how other belief systems are
>false and not the one true belief system.
>
>-Steve
>
>PS. Please don't respond. I'm only joking.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Pfersich [mailto:jp1660 at att.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:18 PM
> > To: Giles Bowkett
> > Cc: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Python Development Environment?
> >
> >
> > After your subsequent post, I can't be bothered. I had been preparing
> > something, but you're not worth it.
> >
> > At 09:50 AM 3/1/2006 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Hey John, sorry for razzing you about Smalltalk, to be honest I'm
> > >looking for a good Smalltalk learning resource. I downloaded Cincom
> > >VisualWorks Smalltalk a while ago but I really haven't done anything
> > >other than skimming the intro stuff and playing with the IDE and its
> > >object library. Any pointers for a n00b?
> > >
> > >On 2/28/06, John Pfersich <jp1660 at att.net> wrote:
> > > > At 09:58 AM 2/28/2006 -0700, Owen wrote:
> > > > >We've been looking into using Python in some modeling efforts. One
> > > > >question we stumble across is "What's a good Development Environment?"
> > > > >
> > > > >So what are your experiences? Eclipse + PyDev? Eclipse +
> > > > >TruStudio? Boa Constructor? WingWare? Vanilla syntax oriented
> > > > >programming editor? It'd be sweet if it were cross-platform, running
> > > > >on Windows, Mac and Linux so we can all share the pain!
> > > >
> > > > I use jEdit as a vanilla syntax oriented editor. It's cross-platform
> > > > (written in Java) and has quite a large number of add-on modules.
> It may
> > > > have Python oriented add-ons; I don't use Python (ugh).
> > > >
> > > > Why not try Ruby if you're starting from scratch? Python has some nasty
> > > > column-based formatting rules that I find too reminiscent of my old
> punch
> > > > card days (or is it daze). I'd say that Ruby's a better choice unless
> > > > there's some Python libraries that would be useful. Quite a few OO
> > > > luminaries have jumped on the Ruby bandwagon over the past few
> years. I've
> > > > been a Rubyist for a couple of years (I first tried Ruby in 2001),
> and I
> > > > find the language to be OK. I still prefer Smalltalk.
> > > >
> > > > GNU Smalltalk is much like Ruby, but usually faster (sometimes much
> faster
> > > > than it or Python) and the code can be transferred to other Smalltalks
> > > > (like Squeak, Cincom VisualWorks, the ex-IBM VAST, or the Windows only
> > > > Dolphin ST and quite a few others) pretty easily. With Smalltalk you'll
> > > > definitely get a visual debugger in the environment (except for
> GST) that
> > > > will allow you to fix the code and restart the process in real time.
> > > > Eclipse is based on the Smalltalk environment (as are all IDEs,
> > AFAIK), and
> > > > Eclipse is a really lame imitation of the Smalltalk environment.
> > > >
> > > > It all comes down to which language will fit your needs best.
> > > >
> > > > >One issue is debugging: we'd like a visual debugger with single
> > > > >stepping and break points if at all possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Owen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ============================================================
> > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >Giles Goat Boy
> > >
> > >http://gilesmakesmusic.blogspot.com
> > >http://gileswritescode.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
> >
>
>
>============================================================
>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

===================================
Jim Rutt
voice: 505-989-1115

John Pfersich

Python Development Environment?

In reply to this post by Jim Rutt

Kewl. No wonder I'm all f-cked up, between doing Smalltalk, Java, C, Perl,
Objective-C and Fortran, I definitely have multiple personalities. That
explains it all.

At 08:27 AM 3/3/2006 -0700, Roger Frye wrote:

>Here's a pointer to an article that satirizes language lovers personality
>types:
>
>Programming languages and their relationship styles
>http://maradydd.livejournal.com/293666.html
>
>============================================================
>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

John Pfersich

Python Development Environment?

In reply to this post by John Pfersich

You're no fun, what's wrong with r-wars. Anyone know where I left that
flame-thrower?

At 12:45 PM 3/3/2006 -0700, Stephen Guerin wrote:

123